Predynastic Egypt

Predynastic Egypt

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clarusvictoria  [developer] Nov 19, 2016 @ 1:42am
Valve, 2K and Pre-Civilization (our games are unavailable in store)
Dear players! The Valve has informed us, that they have received claims on behalf of 2K, Inc. that our games (Pre-Civilization Egypt, Pre-Civilization Marble Age) infringe 2K’s trademark for “Civilization.” And they have removed these games from the Steam store while this matter is under dispute.

We already contacted 2K representative regarding this mistake and we hope to resolve this issue soon. Why we think this is a mistake:
  1. We can’t find the registered trademark “Pre-Civilization” in attached XLS documents with registered 2K trademarks.
  2. In dictionaries and science literature it is an independent word meaning the time prior civilization (that exactly our games are about). http://www.yourdictionary.com/precivilization
  3. And we pointed out that for example Galactic Civilizations series may have the same problems with in future in this case.
We’ll keep you informed about this situation.
https://youtu.be/kdBXksKoiAo

Reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/5dxroe/2k_inc_and_precivilization_small_indie_dev_team/?ref=share&ref_source=link
Last edited by clarusvictoria; Nov 20, 2016 @ 4:20am
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uka7777 Nov 19, 2016 @ 2:51am 
Good luck!!! We need you.
kiwaï Nov 19, 2016 @ 2:52am 
Incredible that such idiocy could have happened. Hope it will be solved soon, both games are completely different.

edit : Oh you're right about the 3rd. And there are other games with "civilization" in the name : Idle civilization, fall of civilization, lost civilization ? And that's just for the ones on steam. What about the ones on browser, facebook, etc.
Last edited by kiwaï; Nov 19, 2016 @ 3:20am
clarusvictoria  [developer] Nov 19, 2016 @ 3:08am 
Thank you for your support!
xoiben Nov 19, 2016 @ 3:26am 
That's outrageous. I hope your great little game is back very soon.
mister.hister Nov 19, 2016 @ 4:54am 
Oh c'mon! This is beyond loudicrous!
todd Nov 19, 2016 @ 6:46am 
What a bunch of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥s. You cannot trademark a ♥♥♥♥ing word, remember when the The Fine Bros tried to trademark the word react? You just literally cannot do that, you guys will get your game back on the store.
Yeah, also does anyone remember when Candy Crush Saga attempted to trademark word "saga" and tried to force Banner Saga remove the said word from its title?
Kronus Nov 19, 2016 @ 7:52am 
so does that mean that if CA decides to trademark the words ''total'' and ''war'' will steam censor ''war'' tagline because it's trademarked? What a bs thing from 2k
bridgeofblues Nov 19, 2016 @ 11:02am 
You got our support this is b*******
livehimera Nov 19, 2016 @ 11:04am 
Good luck!
Удачи! Правда на Вашей стороне!
Blackadar Nov 19, 2016 @ 11:31am 
You don't have a leg to stand on. Civilization has been a registered trademark for over 35 years now. There's been major fights over that name since the original Civ. Your letter above isn't going to do anything. It's not a mistake.

Putting a "pre" in front of it doesn't make it substantially different. That it is a common word doesn't mean that it can't be a trademark (ever hear of Apple?). If your case is that they haven't properly enforced it because they ignored Gal Civ then good luck to you in court. You have no idea if they've licensed or issued permission to Stardock to give their games that name.

If you named your game Egypt Total War do you think you'd get away with it? It appears that you tried riding the coattails on the Civ 6 release and you got slapped for it. If you didn't do this on purpose then you showed a startling lack of judgement. The same thing happened to Call to Power in the 90s. Microprose won then....Take Two will win now.

If you want your game back on Steam it's quite likely you're simply going to have to rename it. I'd suggest Egypt: Pre-Enlightenment.


Last edited by Blackadar; Nov 19, 2016 @ 11:33am
bridgeofblues Nov 19, 2016 @ 12:34pm 
Mother f***** even using that in the name to their other games for a couple years now that are clearly not civilization style hex games. Shove that then trying to ride the coattails of civilization 6 right up your♥♥♥♥
Blackadar Nov 19, 2016 @ 2:38pm 
Originally posted by bridgeofblues:
Mother f***** even using that in the name to their other games for a couple years now that are clearly not civilization style hex games. Shove that then trying to ride the coattails of civilization 6 right up your♥♥♥♥♥

It doesn't matter what style of game you make. You could make a 1st person shooter . If you call it Civilization Hunter you're going to get sued - and lose.

The law is the law, whether you like it or not. It'd tell you to shove it up yours but your head is in the way.
bridgeofblues Nov 19, 2016 @ 3:27pm 
Sounds you support it Atrocious law. Where do you get the balls to say that they are trying to attach himself to civilization did you even play the f****** game did you beat it?
Blackadar Nov 19, 2016 @ 3:36pm 
Originally posted by bridgeofblues:
Sounds you support it Atrocious law. Where do you get the balls to say that they are trying to attach himself to civilization did you even play the f****** game did you beat it?

The law is what it is. Become an advocate if you want to change it but until the laws are rewritten those are the rules.

You wouldn't know how Civ 6 is. You haven't played it.
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