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John Trudeau Sep 7, 2018 @ 10:08am
CENSORED / MISSED tables' elements and features list.
UPDATE:
here in video Crow spotted what at least 1 thing on Medieval Madness still is censored - word "eaten" changed to "taken" on DMD wuring video mode

IMPORTANT UPDATE:
Zen just announced what starting from Vol.2 Williams/Bally tables will be released on Steam in unaltered form. Vol. 1 tables will be returned to unaltered form on Dec 4 with Vol 2 update release (Fish Tales will be returned to original form too)

guys if someone posted negative review to FX3 or Williams DLC, please change it to positive if censorship was your main concern. it will be fair to developer.

UPDATE from official FX3 Williams FAQ:
https://www.pinballfx.com/?page_id=7989

Q:Pinball FX3 has a rating of E10+. Will Zen censor Williams tables that contain content not appropriate for this rating?
A:Zen Studios is happy to confirm that unaltered versions of all William™ Pinball tables will be released on Steam when Volume 2 releases. You will have the choice to play either version based on what is best for you. Unaltered versions of the tables will also be available on mobile.

Zen Studios is very aware that certain tables, such as Medieval Madness, have content that cannot be included in an E10+ rated game. At this time we are running the Family Mode version directly from the ROM on consoles, Windows 10 and Mac. Zen is not censoring the game any differently from what Family Mode includes. On Steam, the game is not running Family Mode; however, this can be turned on in the game settings if so desired.

We hear from both sides – those who do not want Family Mode to be the only option in the game and those who appreciate Family Mode, and we will work to find the right balance for this situation.



you can check list of what is removed/edited on tables in game menu ->"legal resources"

List of already spotted out censored / missed elements:
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All Tables:
-- pop bumpers miss bottom parts (on which ball is roll to trigger upper sliding part)
here is link to how bumpers should look on High Speed 2: Getaway for example : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9JFBaDKxSc

Fish Tales:
-- added bubbles near pelican's pipe on sides art of cabinet
-- edited text on 2 cans on backglass
-- pipe removed from mouth of character near top rollovers
-- cigar removed from mouth of fisherman at center of playfield art
-- art on sides of table head: mermaids belly is covered with scales instead of be regular human skin
-- game flyer (mastery reward) has same edits as ingame table

Medieval Madness:
-- on backglass cigar is removed from Troll's mouth
-- on backglass blood is removed from King's sword
-- on backglass blood is removed from sword in "Medieval Madness" (letter "i") text logo
-- on backglass girl's outfit in left lower corner is edited "from bikini to full armor"
-- on sides of cabinet blood is removed from sword
-- [STILL NOT RETURNED TO ORIGINAL (word "eaten")] during Video mode on DMD text "child" and "calf" changed to "taken" from original "eaten"
-- "VO's using the version free from pertinent content of the "I'm Lord Howard Hurtz" line"
-- game flyer (mastery reward) has same edits as ingame table

Junk Yard:
-- on backglass cigar is removed from Bob's mouth
-- on playfield cigar is removed from Bob's mouth
-- on back inside of cabinet cigar is removed from Bob's mouth
-- on backglass upper part of girl's in thub chest art is covered with more bubbles
-- some voices/sounds during Toilet shots in Family mode [need to check which ones]
-- plunger rod and textures of cabinet around it are invisible, so you can even see floor through the hole
-- game flyer (mastery reward) has same edits as ingame table

Party Zone:
-- DMD animations (with beer) on Party Zone are still censored even in uncensored mode.

[UPDATE 4] Topic open post was edited to become kind of check list of missed elements (both censored or just missed/not properly added) known to date. It is not listing game bugs, because it is not about it.

Pinball kinda saved at least here on Steam and mobiles =)
Last edited by John Trudeau; Jan 7 @ 8:18am
Originally posted by Akos:
Hello everyone!

We are proud to say that Williams Pinball: Volume 2 which includes Attack from Mars, Black Rose, and The Party Zone will release in its original form on Steam.

This means unaltered art and DMD animations, family filter toggled off as default.

Hope you'll enjoy this next batch of classics and we are counting on your feedback going forward as well!

Edit: As russian_martian quoted Mel - WMS 1 will also get an 'unaltered revamp'.
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Paratech2008 Sep 27, 2018 @ 6:59pm 
Why didn't they tell people they were going to censor tables to begin with?

John Trudeau Sep 28, 2018 @ 1:41am 
Originally posted by Paratech2008:
Why didn't they tell people they were going to censor tables to begin with?
why they would not ask people what is more important - authenticity or just to have everything in one pile - they serve the community, you know..at least they speak so
Last edited by John Trudeau; Sep 28, 2018 @ 1:42am
John Trudeau Sep 28, 2018 @ 7:40am 
i had see through screenshots on steam store - looks like at least Getaway (and i guess other tables too) has same mistake on flippers as on Fish Tales..such "attention to details" while editing and removing every "terrible" thing from tables
EDIT: i just checked screenshots on their official site - all 4 tables has this wrong M logo version flippers..RIDICULOUS
https://www.pinballfx.com/?page_id=7790
it is a joke - just spit in the face
Last edited by John Trudeau; Sep 28, 2018 @ 8:07am
melchiah_kirk  [developer] Sep 28, 2018 @ 9:12am 
Originally posted by kaworu:
i had see through screenshots on steam store - looks like at least Getaway (and i guess other tables too) has same mistake on flippers as on Fish Tales..such "attention to details" while editing and removing every "terrible" thing from tables
EDIT: i just checked screenshots on their official site - all 4 tables has this wrong M logo version flippers..RIDICULOUS
https://www.pinballfx.com/?page_id=7790
it is a joke - just spit in the face

We are fixing the errors on the flippers. Our games had some incorrect pieces in place which were modeled and then sent into production. Keep in mind, decades after use, many machines often have different components that have been installed to keep games functional. It is our intention to create them in their original form, but in this case we did make a mistake. This will be fixed and we're putting new processes in place to make sure this does not happen again.
John Trudeau Sep 28, 2018 @ 9:16am 
Originally posted by melchiah_kirk:
Originally posted by kaworu:
i had see through screenshots on steam store - looks like at least Getaway (and i guess other tables too) has same mistake on flippers as on Fish Tales..such "attention to details" while editing and removing every "terrible" thing from tables
EDIT: i just checked screenshots on their official site - all 4 tables has this wrong M logo version flippers..RIDICULOUS
https://www.pinballfx.com/?page_id=7790
it is a joke - just spit in the face

We are fixing the errors on the flippers. Our games had some incorrect pieces in place which were modeled and then sent into production. Keep in mind, decades after use, many machines often have different components that have been installed to keep games functional. It is our intention to create them in their original form, but in this case we did make a mistake. This will be fixed and we're putting new processes in place to make sure this does not happen again.
yes we understand this - pinball tables are very complex machines with many different parts, it is why we are here for: to critisize, point, correct and some time "be shocked".
Tamachi-San Sep 28, 2018 @ 9:21am 
Originally posted by melchiah_kirk:
Originally posted by kaworu:
i had see through screenshots on steam store - looks like at least Getaway (and i guess other tables too) has same mistake on flippers as on Fish Tales..such "attention to details" while editing and removing every "terrible" thing from tables
EDIT: i just checked screenshots on their official site - all 4 tables has this wrong M logo version flippers..RIDICULOUS
https://www.pinballfx.com/?page_id=7790
it is a joke - just spit in the face

We are fixing the errors on the flippers. Our games had some incorrect pieces in place which were modeled and then sent into production. Keep in mind, decades after use, many machines often have different components that have been installed to keep games functional. It is our intention to create them in their original form, but in this case we did make a mistake. This will be fixed and we're putting new processes in place to make sure this does not happen again.

Yet no words about the censorship for the all the other parts of the table (and the ROM)...

"It is our intention to create them in their original form, but in this case we did make a mistake"
>>>> Liar, you are not creating them in their original form !
Last edited by Tamachi-San; Sep 28, 2018 @ 9:30am
Paratech2008 Sep 28, 2018 @ 9:28am 
But you aren't doing them in their original form, you're modifying the tables to censor them, aren't advertising they're censored, and you're posting yourselves as preserving pinball. Modifying and censoring tables isn't preserving them.

Akos  [developer] Sep 28, 2018 @ 9:37am 
Hi everyone, got an update for you!

Family Mode will be turned off on PC. You will have the ability to turn Family Mode on in the settings if needed. We will continue to work on this issue now and in the future. For now, artwork will remain altered on Fish Tales with references to alcohol and tobacco being removed.

Thanks for the insight and the feedback on this issue
Last edited by Akos; Sep 28, 2018 @ 9:37am
John Trudeau Sep 28, 2018 @ 9:40am 
Originally posted by Akos:
Hi everyone, got an update for you!

Family Mode will be turned off on PC. You will have the ability to turn Family Mode on in the settings if needed. We will continue to work on this issue now and in the future. For now, artwork will remain altered on Fish Tales with references to alcohol and tobacco being removed.

Thanks for the insight and the feedback on this issue
reference to mermaid will left too?
about setting of ROM is good news - and can here be liiiitle posibility to have access to other ROM settings for some "custom" mode?
Last edited by John Trudeau; Sep 28, 2018 @ 9:41am
John Trudeau Sep 28, 2018 @ 9:55am 
Originally posted by Melo:
Originally posted by Akos:
For now, artwork will remain altered on Fish Tales with references to alcohol and tobacco being removed.

You mean, even with family mode being disabled?
Not entirely sure what that part means.

Will it remain altered for now, because it takes time to re-implement the non-censored graphics, or because of other reasons? Maybe because it's a free table and not a DLC, so it's part of the core game and needs to respect the core game's rating?

Could you please clarify? Thanks.
he means family mode setting of ROM on Medieval Madness - on Fish Tales are art alterations - they are made "by hands" and not regulated by ROM settings
Last edited by John Trudeau; Sep 28, 2018 @ 9:55am
SinistarX Sep 28, 2018 @ 10:07am 
I was pretty excited for these tables because of my confidence in Zen's greater ability to deliver and support pinball content, and while I appreciate the devs moving more in the right direction, these are still a hard pass for me as long as the edits are in place.
Tamachi-San Sep 28, 2018 @ 10:28am 
Originally posted by Akos:
Hi everyone, got an update for you!

Family Mode will be turned off on PC. You will have the ability to turn Family Mode on in the settings if needed. We will continue to work on this issue now and in the future. For now, artwork will remain altered on Fish Tales with references to alcohol and tobacco being removed.

Thanks for the insight and the feedback on this issue

Regarding the ability to disable the family mode it is indeed a very good news. As for the artworks, it is a very very bad news, and it means that we will probably have other censored tables coming in the near future...
Last edited by Tamachi-San; Sep 28, 2018 @ 10:28am
Monochromatic Sep 28, 2018 @ 10:36am 
Originally posted by 🌌👽Tamachi-San👽🌌:
Originally posted by Akos:
Hi everyone, got an update for you!

Family Mode will be turned off on PC. You will have the ability to turn Family Mode on in the settings if needed. We will continue to work on this issue now and in the future. For now, artwork will remain altered on Fish Tales with references to alcohol and tobacco being removed.

Thanks for the insight and the feedback on this issue

Regarding the ability to disable the family mode it is indeed a very good news. As for the artworks, it is a very very bad news, and it means that we will probably have other censored tables coming in the near future...

I think Akos means that it can’t be done in time for launch of Vol.1 but that maybe a future update will allow users to switch to the original art.

I think they just need time to implement a way to switch art assets. I hope. So this should be good news I think.
John Trudeau Sep 28, 2018 @ 10:40am 
Originally posted by Monochromatic:
Originally posted by 🌌👽Tamachi-San👽🌌:

Regarding the ability to disable the family mode it is indeed a very good news. As for the artworks, it is a very very bad news, and it means that we will probably have other censored tables coming in the near future...

I think Akos means that it can’t be done in time for launch of Vol.1 but that maybe a future update will allow users to switch to the original art.

I think they just need time to implement a way to switch art assets. I hope. So this should be good news I think.
not as if i like to be "that guy" or dont trust anything, but FarSight teached me to ignore such words as "may be in future" or "soon", teached in very hard way
Last edited by John Trudeau; Sep 28, 2018 @ 10:40am
melchiah_kirk  [developer] Sep 28, 2018 @ 10:52am 
Originally posted by kaworu:
Originally posted by Monochromatic:

I think Akos means that it can’t be done in time for launch of Vol.1 but that maybe a future update will allow users to switch to the original art.

I think they just need time to implement a way to switch art assets. I hope. So this should be good news I think.
not as if i like to be "that guy" or dont trust anything, but FarSight teached me to ignore such words as "may be in future" or "soon", teached in very hard way

There are still ongoing conversations between Zen and platform holders which may or may not result in changes to our rating. This is as honest as we can be at this time. As things progress, we will keep you updated.

Fish Tales is free for all players. We must absolutely keep the content in line with what our age rating system is. At this time we are not prepared to release a version of Fish Tales without the censored artwork. It is possible this could change in the future, but again, we are going through the necessary steps with platform holders to make sure we would make the changes correctly and in line with what an existing player base would require (notifications, etc.).
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