Black Ice farming nerfed

[Ignørantus]

WTF why did they do that the grind was annoying.... and it got even worse....

[Fredheim]

The Ice Rocknoses/ Frostnoses nerf was needed somehow. 1x server one run (6 creeps) gave 100-150 black ice. Now they made them harder to kill too, which is good. The skeletons in that area are also a pain in the a** now which is good imo.

So farming these mobs should not be that popular anymore, but farming them are still the best way.. and here is why:

- The black ice ores gives almost nothing, it takes aproxx 1500 ice before you get 10 black ice, which is not balanced at all.

- Converting 100x Ice + 20x Ice shards, 1x Zeal of manifest = 1x Black Ice. This should be changed. NOT ONLY THAT, to get 1x Zeal of manifest you will need to make Ice arrows which requires 10 branches + 10 ice shards. Crafting 1x black ice will require 30 ice shards in total.



T3 Black ice vs T3 reinforced. Black ice T3 requires physical farming (killing frostnoses + resin farm), T3 reinforced requires 10x fishing traps (wait for rotten meat - fluid press it) and physical farming PF to twine, make stone consolidant and then put in furnace (since hardened bricks is the bottleneck). IMO this requires much less work than black ice farming, they SHOULD be equal.

[Rush]

Black ice swords are op in pvp. They should be very very hard to get

[hades]

Originally posted by Flippingfred:

- The black ice ores gives almost nothing, it takes aproxx 1500 ice before you get 10 black ice, which is not balanced at all.

That is because they are currently bugged and return white ice resource's, I posted mod on previous page that fixes them.

[Fredheim]

Originally posted by Rush:

Black ice swords are op in pvp. They should be very very hard to get

They require level 50 to make now. Since everyone got them before this fix it doesn't really matter. For launch they will need exp grinding before you can make them. Even though I think they should require more resources in order to make them, but this also needs a repairing balance too.

Originally posted by hades:

Originally posted by Flippingfred:

- The black ice ores gives almost nothing, it takes aproxx 1500 ice before you get 10 black ice, which is not balanced at all.

That is because they are currently bugged and return white ice resource's, I posted mod on previous page that fixes them.

Thanks for make a mod for people who play on privet servers. It's not going to help us who play on 1x rates officials. :)

[kirag-ig]

Originally posted by BendeBeg:

no problem with that you still can farm black ice with a grupe of 3 players just fine. bevor it was mutch to easy to get in my opinion.

Are you even serious? Ice rocknoses are still safe and easy to kill solo - though it takes longer. But it's pointless now since drop chance is somewhere next to zero.

[Gotcha]

Its a good thing now demon blood and Ice will be harder to get, so blowng up just anyone will be costly so will repairs

[Warmonger]

Originally posted by jquest:

Its a good thing now demon blood and Ice will be harder to get, so blowng up just anyone will be costly so will repairs

Exactly.

[cattibria]

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[joyboard]

So, I just killed 10 Rocknose (or what they are called) and got 18 Black ice.
Now I can make nearly 2 Black Ice-Reinforced Wooden Foundation! Yay it took me 20 min.
Seriously, Black Ice-Reinforced should be Tier 5 building materials.
Black Ice is fine for the weapon and armor production, but should not be used as Building Material unless its a Tier 5!

[Wintervoid]

I have a base in the NW that I placed strictly to have access to Black Ice and Star Metal. I have it about 75% upgraded from T2 to T3.

I am now considering heading further south and building a regular T3 base. IMO, this just took away most of my incentive to live up north. I would rather make an occasional trip north to farm some Black Ice for the sword instead of going south for Brimstone and explosive materials.

I was not impressed with Hardened Steel/Star Metal armor/weapons/tools. Black Ice is better for Pick/Sword(Since you need black Ice anyway) and although the Med north armor is better, it was barely worth the black ice before they nerfed the drops.

I honestly feel like there was not much progression from 50 to 60. Admittedly, I had Black Ice Weapon/Pick that would not be available now until 55, but Hardened Steel/Starmetal seem kinda pointless, and that was before it was harder to get black ice. If they didn't take Black Ice to make, or at least less then the Black Ice versions, they might have a use.

Mainly though, the issue is the T3 buildings. If Black Ice only affected weapons and Armor, I could understand the change, or if Black Ice structures were T4, I could appreciate that.

[Mullahadin]

My problem with blck ice is not it's scarce or abundance nature - it's how it's needed for at least 1/3 of in game recipes. Basicly, one "thing" gates players from reaching T4 (hardened steel), T5 (starmetal) and T6 (black ice) gear. Balance wise - hardened steel is useless - by the time You can learn it, You can learn black ice recipes as well, basicly skipping hardened tier at all. While black ice nodes might become a REAL thing in the future, it won't change a thing about hardened tier. At the moment, with how scarce (for some) black ice is, it became ultimate resouce to gather. On PvP servers it'll be war for attrition - those who'll secure it first - will dominate, as steel is not comparable to it's counterparts. What I would love to see is:

1. Hardened steel needed NORMAL ice to be made - while it would still "gate it" for northern biome expeditions, it would also made ymir's ice more important.

2. Black ice structure tier required black ice SHARDS - crafted in bulks of 10 from EACH black ice piece.