Team Fortress 2
Regarding MvM players and their mental stability.
Me and two other friends went on mvm matchmaking mann up server on Rottenburg. three other people joined and two of them started calling us noobs without any explanation. After 5 mins of insulting us, the 'insult leader' started saying how we were using the wrong loadout. I was engineer with rescue ranger, lugermorph and the jag, and my two other friends were demo and heavy (all stock).

And this went on for half an hour without actually starting the wave and these two kids were demanding we listen to them because his little friend has 3 australiums. and I've stressed that I don't respect people who insult others out of the blue. Then 2 randoms joined and said "OMG WRONG LOADOUT, PLS KICK HIM" "Noob!"

And then one guy said "I don't wanna play with you noobs" whlist still in the server and talking.

Really? Now I know why I was never angry at this game, because I only played on regular TF2 servers and not MvM.
Last edited by CherryTaco 👌; Feb 21, 2014 @ 3:56am
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attila the hun Feb 21, 2014 @ 4:05am 
the struggle is real
Davidchungtawei Feb 21, 2014 @ 4:12am 
play with me pls
Davidchungtawei Feb 21, 2014 @ 4:12am 
★ Conga ★ (Banned) Feb 21, 2014 @ 4:22am 
Originally posted by FayBee:
, lugermorph
That's your problem, he just over-reacted
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★ Conga ★ (Banned) Feb 21, 2014 @ 4:22am 
Also i'm willing to play mvm
CherryTaco 👌 Feb 21, 2014 @ 4:29am 
Originally posted by Achmed the Dead Terrorist:
Originally posted by FayBee:
, lugermorph
That's your problem, he just over-reacted
I know, but I had no choice, I don't have shortcircuit and no one was interested in playig engie.
PlebNC (UK) Feb 21, 2014 @ 4:36am 
mmmph mmphmmph mmph mmph mph mmmph mmph mmmph mmph. (Pyro translation follows) Some people just like to watch the world burn...
Jordan (Banned) Feb 21, 2014 @ 4:58am 
The only thing I see bad with what you did was use the Luger instead of the Wrangler, other then that (and even then, the Luger isn't an awful choice, just the Wrangler is better.) he was probably a troll or something.
Scuba (Banned) Feb 21, 2014 @ 5:00am 
*Seeing as you were on Mann Up* they had a reason to kick you. They need the best players and the best loadouts to complete MVM at that level, and spotting people with inadequate loadouts (Especially your all-stock friends) only puts them and the team at a disadvantage, so they decided to kick you in hopes of teammates who have the "best" loadouts, although rudely.
76561198056135600 Feb 21, 2014 @ 5:09am 
There's plenty of people in MVM that clearly aren't all there. Oh, and welcome to TF2.
Michael Feb 21, 2014 @ 6:02am 
Originally posted by FayBee:
Really? Now I know why I was never angry at this game, because I only played on regular TF2 servers and not MvM.

Imagine you took a football to your local park with your friend. Say, you're 20-something. And there are a bunch of kids aged about 10 playing football.

You wouldn't join in their game would you? Ask yourself "why not?"

Similary, if you were 10 and went to the park with your friend and a group of adult men from a local company were playing 5-a-side you wouldn't join their match.

The only adults you'll see playing football on the park with a bunch of kids are Dads.

So, problem 1 is, the normal social cues that split us up into groups of similar ability are missing from online games. You join TF2 servers sometimes and there are literally kids gurgling into the mic and presumably chewing the mouse cable and hitting the keyboard like it's a drum.

And it's not just about age, but that's one good starting point. You go to a boxing club you aren't going to step into the ring with a kid that's boxed for 2 years on your first day.

It's incredibly frustrating trying to find a good game of TF2 for the above reasons and because such a large percentage of the pub community have no interest in playing the game to win - indeed, a huge proportion of the community servers are configured so there is no winner, just one long round that never ends with people joining and leaving, often with a config that makes the objectives pretty pointless to go for.

Now Valve have lots of official servers that get around this, but the downside here is that many of the players are still at the stage where they have spent longer downloading the game than they have playing it. Good for them, they need somewhere to play and everyone starts at 0, but frustrating for people who've played for longer and want to play.

Although even Valve seem to dislike the idea that a team might win or lose. Scrambling the teams after 2 points but leaving the score at 2-0 is just ridiculous and pointless.

Hence the frustration and anger you witness in other players. Perhaps they are unjustified sometimes, but as successful Valve have been at making money with F2P games, they haven't really had any good ideas when it comes to thinking about how the game is played afterwards.

e.g a quick glance at a typical valve server you see a huge number of spies and snipers - that shows you straight away that not only will that round not be worth playing, but those players won't get any better doing what they are doing.

I don't play a lot of MvM but I imagine the frustrated folk you met feel similarly about loadouts in that game. To them it's a clear indication the round isn't worth playing. If they're wrong, fair enough. But if not, well, maybe you should see the problem is really one that Valve created and need to address (and not with bans or timeouts or reporting players but by encouraging the player base to actually play the game to win and splitting the player base up so that people get the experience they want)

The other side of the coin I suppose is that competitive scene (which you might think would be attractive to people who want to play for the objectives) is so divorced from the vanilla game and requires so much organisation that it's not always a good fit.

You know, if you go to your local park to play football, you want a good match, but to do that you don't expect to have to join Man Utd for that to happen. Simply put, between the bewildered pub games that are full of "friendlies" "pyro sharks" etc and the umpteen 10 year olds whose parents are using TF2 as a pacifier, and the comp scene there should be room for a few servers full of players who, regardless of their ability, know the rules, know the objective and want to play the game to that end - win or lose.
Last edited by Michael; Feb 21, 2014 @ 6:09am
Shen Feb 21, 2014 @ 6:13am 
Lol its a common thing in Dota 2 community
Sounds like a pain.... I wouldnt deal with that.... next time vote kick them
Yep, sounds familiar
Kirb Feb 21, 2014 @ 8:37am 
They do that, then they don't even bother helping you, they just expect you to know what they want, and if you're not exactly what they want they think you're a jerk, and doing this all on purpose, or assume you're an idoit. Which is an extremely unfair mentality for any game. I'd say just join another server, because whoever screams the loudest gets support of the rest of the pack. Sometimes its best to just leave and let them squabble about.
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