New report system: good or bad thing?

[Night-Jaw]

Valve actually made the report system useful by getting a 60 day cooldown ban to casual and competitive users who get reported too many time, which was great for dealing with the rage hackers pleb invading casual and competitive
Unfortunaly this system can be easily abused to falsely report people just to getting someone banned
It was ever worse before when a single report can remove you from the match (good thing it was removed by the devs)
But hey at least valve actually care about the hacker problem, which was nice

[Breastie]

Haven't read changelogs but hopefully this will become only useful.

[Tom]

It's not great as there will be reportbots

[Ussul w+m1]

What if enemy player is salty and reports you for cheating? Happened to me recently. I do not do cheats, but saltiness can get me bann?

[Tom]

Originally posted by Ussul w+m1:

What if enemy player is salty and reports you for cheating? Happened to me recently. I do not do cheats, but saltiness can get me bann?

it can

[Disco Battle]

from what i know and im 70% sure something isnt right but if a guy gets 50 (i think) reports they get 24 hour matchmaking ban (i think)

i report all haxin n00bs because the repoet system does next to nothing with zero downside so id might as well report anyway and sometimes i get the message saying that a guy i reported got banned

therein lies the problem that anyone can just prepare another alt account and go back to cheating, no VAC system could ever be good enough to ban all cheaters as long as steam has no limit on making new accounts

[Tom]

Originally posted by Abstract:

from what i know and im 70% sure something isnt right but if a guy gets 50 (i think) reports they get 24 hour matchmaking ban (i think)

i report all haxin n00bs because the repoet system does next to nothing with zero downside so id might as well report anyway and sometimes i get the message saying that a guy i reported got banned

therein lies the problem that anyone can just prepare another alt account and go back to cheating, no VAC system could ever be good enough to ban all cheaters as long as steam has no limit on making new accounts

lowest mm ban is 30 days

[Barely Competent]

Originally posted by Abstract:

from what i know and im 70% sure something isnt right but if a guy gets 50 (i think) reports they get 24 hour matchmaking ban (i think)

i report all haxin n00bs because the repoet system does next to nothing with zero downside so id might as well report anyway and sometimes i get the message saying that a guy i reported got banned

therein lies the problem that anyone can just prepare another alt account and go back to cheating, no VAC system could ever be good enough to ban all cheaters as long as steam has no limit on making new accounts

I believe that if we had a trust factor system, that significantly lowered the trust factor of IP’s with known cheating accounts, we could have an effective, but legal system.

[Breastie]

Yeah maybe if the people with more trust, their reports get more valuable then I imagine maybe it could be somewhat working system.

[Clan Wolf]

I want to know why Valve hasn't tried to do anything to permanently stop someone who is caught cheating from coming back into the player pool.

My experience is someone is caught cheating, and they don't care. They just hop on a new account and do it again.

John McDonald
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I think you've described the problem there exactly. When someone cheats, we *do* permanently ban their account. But banning them is hard. Banning these doesn't work:

IP address, hardware, payment information, email, ...

The internet makes this super tricky.

[asco.exe]

Originally posted by Tom:

It's not great as there will be reportbots

Maybe Valve could check users who report too much. Or maybe add Overwatch, like in CS:GO. It will never happen tho.

[Clan Wolf]

you should really read up on the devs twitter/reddit accounts. fairly active and better discussions, the replies make for interesting reading.

for all things VAC, John McDonald is the man. recently gave a talk at GDC, very cool.
on the CSGO team, talks about a variety of things tf2/csgo and just general with valve.
https://twitter.com/basisspace

Fletcher Dunn, another smart fella, who gave the talk on Denial of service mitigation. used tf2 in his slides. reactivated his account so not much to say.
https://twitter.com/ZPostFacto

jill, twitter isnt really active much
https://www.reddit.com/user/vJill

others to mention, both get good discussions going.
https://mobile.twitter.com/PazerFromSilver
https://twitter.com/danekevincook - video from valve tour, spoke to tf2/jill


Rainbow of trust from CSGO, is still new, early 2017. soo.....

Valve: The trouble with communicating about anything like this is that our culture basically means nothing is certain.

Things can be killed, resurrected, then killed again and it could be the best decision every time that happens.

to be honest dont see that many cheaters in tf2 now, steamdb reports a low amount right now. see more spammers if anything.

but obivously lagbots are the problem right now. ban waves take weeks, as to not tip off too easily what cheats work and what doesnt.

CSGO trust factor is very cool, but it doesnt stop them from changing payment methods.
but if anything cheaters, bad actors - evolve and the treadmill continues. 80% of the source code is the same from half life, giving it away for everyone to use was the best thing to ever happen.

[SuchMuse (Sims Legit)]

While it's incredibly bad usually, it's still there, which I'm very happy of.

[vinyl]

its kinda a good thing, and a bad thing at the same time.

it takes a short amount of reports (my guess between 100 - 300 reports) to get a 60 day cooldown from valve servers.
report bots will now become a thing in tf2 and mass report botting legits would get them the cooldown.

this could obviously be abused since cheaters will queue for matches and mass report everyone they go against or if someone tries to kick them.

[vinyl]

speaking of that, most likely max box would be a prime target to get report botted imo

[vinyl]

Originally posted by Sham!:

Originally posted by degenerate:

speaking of that, most likely max box would be a prime target to get report botted imo

don't even like the guy but holy ♥♥♥♥ you guys are dumb

i can clearly tell that you never read the thread.