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BigbenCM  [developer] Mar 10, 2017 @ 7:14am
Statement about the use of Denuvo
Hello everyone,

We have seen the discussions surrounding the 2Dark DRM system and we have heard them.
2Dark uses Denuvo Anti-Tamper DRM system. This DRM system has proven useful against piracy and many game studios make use of it in order to protect their creations. As the publisher of 2Dark, Bigben Interactive is also responsible for the protection of 2Dark and its intellectual propriety against piracy. This DRM will, in addition to Steam’s own DRM system, help the creators of 2Dark continue doing what they love: bringing great games to players!

Gloomywood’s crowd-funding campaign did not mention a DRM, but the campaign has evolved much more than originally anticipated. After all, there were no initial plans to develop for PS4 or Xbox One consoles, record the soundtrack with an orchestra, and provide a voice to Smith (as well as many other things.) This was all made possible because Bigben, and the 2Dark fans, believed in Gloomywood’s creative vision and wanted to support the game.

The support of responsible players is really important in ensuring that Gloomywood, and many other game studios, are rewarded for their efforts and can continue to make great games you love! With this DRM system, piracy can be prevented and studios can focus on being innovative and creative.

Update (19.04.2017):

Based on recent events and the shear amount of community feedback we received regarding 2Dark’s use of Denuvo, we have now taken the decision to remove Denuvo from 2Dark.

At the time of this message, we have released a small update to the game which removes Denuvo, allowing you to play Denuvo-free.

We want to thank all of you who provided your feedback.


Last edited by BigbenCM; Apr 19, 2017 @ 6:00am
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Gromit Mar 10, 2017 @ 7:23am 
But Denuvo is a pain for honest players. I want play my game offline etc. Even Resident evil 7 with denuvo is hacked few days after release, its not worth for honest players. When i see Denuvo it's like you tell me "You're a pirate" or something like that. The witcher 3 didn't use Denuvo and sell well. Lot of indies didn't use denuvo and sell well.
Nothing can tell us that Denuvo help for the sells.
And on the top of that, a pirate will never buy a game, denuvo or not.
RabidUrko Mar 10, 2017 @ 7:27am 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denuvo

I have read this and the only people who would be against it is individuals into pro piracy or for other motives.

"I want play my game offline etc" This wouldnt be classed as a hardware upgrade.
Last edited by RabidUrko; Mar 10, 2017 @ 7:29am
Revan1er Mar 10, 2017 @ 7:38am 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StarForce

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SecuROM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SafeDisc

I red this and I believed at that time the only people who would be against it is individuals into pro piracy or for other motives.

And now... I can't play Mass Effect, Dragon age 2, Cossacks 2 and lots of games because of them!!! (not compatible with win 10, impossible to activate games and sorry I will not pay a second time my game to obtain the non-drm version) and it will be the same with Denuvo!

When the studio will stop the activation server how will it be possible to play? Do you think dev or editor will patch the game? Sorry I don't trust them because it already happened to me! If I want to play at Mass Effect I have to use the illegal way even if I bought the damn game!

God bless ignorant!
RabidUrko Mar 10, 2017 @ 7:40am 
I have games with the above over the years and never had any problems, sounds similar scaremongering that goes with Uplay.

There must a legit reason why you cannot activate.
Last edited by RabidUrko; Mar 10, 2017 @ 7:41am
Revan1er Mar 10, 2017 @ 7:46am 
May be because games with securom are recognize as malware by windows 10?
Server from Starforce are down...
Maximum activation number?

PS: only the cd (dvd) version have the drm, not the steam version.
! boon_a_m'I Mar 10, 2017 @ 7:54am 
Originally posted by BigbenCM:
The support of responsible players is really important in ensuring that Gloomywood, and many other game studios, are rewarded for their efforts and can continue to make great games you love! With this DRM system, piracy can be prevented and studios can focus on being innovative and creative.

For me, a "responsible player" is a person who will not give his money to a company that lies to their customers. Gloomywood took the money of their customers during the crowdfunding with the promise of a DRM free version. Now you're saying there won't be a DRM free version, so it was a lie, and you and Gloomywood don't deserve my money. If the game shall fail and Gloomywood shall go bankrupt because of this, it will be Gloomywood and your fault, don't try to put the blame on the gamers.
Gromit Mar 10, 2017 @ 8:01am 
As a developer myself and a steam partner, I will NEVER use Denuvo or this kind of things in my games. They have a bad reputation and like I said before:
1) Denuvo is already hacked
2) Pirates never buy games
3)Nothing prove that Denuvo help for sell
Last edited by Gromit; Mar 10, 2017 @ 8:01am
Prince-Nyan Mar 10, 2017 @ 8:16am 
The one thing brainwashed Developers seem to forget is that pirates won't buy a game just because you put a padlock on it. Yes, I am also aware that Denvo brainwashes devs with crap to make you want them. It's called business, they don't care if it dosn't even work or not, only if you buy it or give them a % cut on purchases.

I've seen alot of dev responses on denvo and other devs who don't like Denvo. Take Resident Evil for example, Pirates wanted to play that and they broke it in a week and it was a huge deal on the gaming thread on reddit. The fact is, if a game is♥♥♥♥♥♥ no pirate is going to buy it, if it's good they'll wait until it's pirated if it has DRM. This is why lots of people use Witcher as a reference, because despite having no protection lots of people admitted to being pirates and gifted people the game on r/witcher3 and it ended up making a lot of revenue.

The one thing I've noticed with pirates is that if a game does not have protection, a lot of them or people claiming to be one start spending and gifting the game to people. The one argument I've seen a pirate make before is that Developers can no longer be trusted and i can relate as I've spent money on games that have been abandoned or ruined. Steam refunding helped a lot because I can essentually "demo" a game and not find out it's crap and be unable to get my money back. I think people make pirates out to be some sort of evil when there's no profit to be made from them as they always get their way.

This whole Denvo vs pirate thing is stupid. The real problem is illegal key sellers because that's where the real money is lost, yet it seems stupid imo that Devs are fooled into thinking it's the pirates fault who never spend money and not people quite literally stealing their profits.
Liandri Mar 10, 2017 @ 8:19am 
Here is what I read between the lines:
Because of us (Bigben Interactive), the game is being released on consoles too.
Because we've paid for using Denuvo on this game, it's now possible to release it on Steam.
You need to be grateful for this.
Without Denuvo, developer is not going to be rewarded for his efforts.
Too bad, it seems like nobody is going to publish anything besides this statement. And nobody is going to remove the DRM when it stops serving its purpose.
Prince-Nyan Mar 10, 2017 @ 8:26am 
Also I should mention a point in the above comments. By "praising" Denvo, it's almost as if you're calling "all" gamers pirates. Pirates can't afford games, there's a difference between them and gamers like myself with money. Just because your game is pirated dosn't mean everyone is going to go pirate it and I don't understand where you get that logic from.

I came strait here after pausing Total Biscuit's stream video and am disapointed you're giving off a bad vibe like the Dev for "The wild eight" who essentualy insulted his customers because they found mechanics tedious. I actually though your game might have been good, but I'm not even going to demo it because it's not worth refunding a game if it's bad when the dev makes it seem like he knows his game is bad and needs Denvo as an excuse.
Last edited by Prince-Nyan; Mar 10, 2017 @ 8:29am
Revan1er Mar 10, 2017 @ 8:39am 
"2Dark uses Denuvo Anti-Tamper DRM system. This DRM system has proven useful against piracy and many game studios make use of it in order to protect their creations. As the publisher of 2Dark, Bigben Interactive is also responsible for the protection of 2Dark and its intellectual propriety against piracy. This DRM will, in addition to Steam’s own DRM system, help the creators of 2Dark continue doing what they love: bringing great games to players! "

It is really funny to read this.

Good example of the "efficiency" of Denuvo:

Deus Ex Human revolution: 1.6M copy sold on steam (and around 2.8M on PS3 and Xbox 360)
http://steamspy.com/app/238010
http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=deus+ex&publisher=&platform=&genre=&minSales=0&results=200



Deus Ex Mankind Divided: 0.7M on steam (and around 1M on PS4 and One)

http://steamspy.com/app/337000

Less buyer even with the so "proven useful" drm Denuvo... I am really wondering if MD will sell 1M copy to reach the number of the previous game.
Also don't forget, HR don't have Denuvo and MD protection fell!
Makazeu Mar 10, 2017 @ 9:05am 
Denuvo hurts nobody but pirates.
Makazeu Mar 10, 2017 @ 9:07am 
Originally posted by Revan1er:
"2Dark uses Denuvo Anti-Tamper DRM system. This DRM system has proven useful against piracy and many game studios make use of it in order to protect their creations. As the publisher of 2Dark, Bigben Interactive is also responsible for the protection of 2Dark and its intellectual propriety against piracy. This DRM will, in addition to Steam’s own DRM system, help the creators of 2Dark continue doing what they love: bringing great games to players! "

It is really funny to read this.

Good example of the "efficiency" of Denuvo:

Deus Ex Human revolution: 1.6M copy sold on steam (and around 2.8M on PS3 and Xbox 360)
http://steamspy.com/app/238010
http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=deus+ex&publisher=&platform=&genre=&minSales=0&results=200



Deus Ex Mankind Divided: 0.7M on steam (and around 1M on PS4 and One)

http://steamspy.com/app/337000

Less buyer even with the so "proven useful" drm Denuvo... I am really wondering if MD will sell 1M copy to reach the number of the previous game.
Also don't forget, HR don't have Denuvo and MD protection fell!

1.6 / 2.8 = 0.57
0.7 / 1.0 = 0.7
Revan1er Mar 10, 2017 @ 9:20am 
Originally posted by Makazeu:
Originally posted by Revan1er:
"2Dark uses Denuvo Anti-Tamper DRM system. This DRM system has proven useful against piracy and many game studios make use of it in order to protect their creations. As the publisher of 2Dark, Bigben Interactive is also responsible for the protection of 2Dark and its intellectual propriety against piracy. This DRM will, in addition to Steam’s own DRM system, help the creators of 2Dark continue doing what they love: bringing great games to players! "

It is really funny to read this.

Good example of the "efficiency" of Denuvo:

Deus Ex Human revolution: 1.6M copy sold on steam (and around 2.8M on PS3 and Xbox 360)
http://steamspy.com/app/238010
http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=deus+ex&publisher=&platform=&genre=&minSales=0&results=200



Deus Ex Mankind Divided: 0.7M on steam (and around 1M on PS4 and One)

http://steamspy.com/app/337000

Less buyer even with the so "proven useful" drm Denuvo... I am really wondering if MD will sell 1M copy to reach the number of the previous game.
Also don't forget, HR don't have Denuvo and MD protection fell!

1.6 / 2.8 = 0.57
0.7 / 1.0 = 0.7


2.8/1.6 = 1.75
1.0/0.7 = 1.42

I also know how to do some math.
Sabin Mar 10, 2017 @ 9:38am 
You lied to your backers, you cheated them out of something you took money for, then you ran to an abusive publisher who saddled everyone with a hateful form of DRM that forces constant reauthentication in order to play the content you bought. Simply put; you're awful.
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