When will you remove Denuvo?

[high impact sexual violence]

I might buy this game as I bought Zestiria if you just remove Denuvo someday, but my backlog is so big I can wait for a while and get some discounts :-)

This game is already censored, you even put intrusive DRM lmao.

Its like you're making an effort for this game to fail on PC.

[Telaros]

Kaldaien a écrit :

Cap'n Fk'n Obvious a écrit :

Actually if you need to be logged in once a day for the game to authenticate,
it is quite apparently already intrusive.

Fanboys might claim otherwise though.

No, intrusive DRM installs software on your computer that affects other programs.

Ignorant dipwads will definitely make your claim though.

A huge example being that Elsword game. It scans your entire pc just for any form of executable file and demands you uninstall files even if they in no way affect the game and will not boot unless you remove it. And that's the least of what these drms can do. More intrusive ones even collect information on what sites you've visited and what other games you have installed.

Denuvo is essentially PS4 lvls of cringe drm many publishers use now a days where you can't even play Witcher 3 without internet if you bought the digital release copy. I believe it was Warner Bros who did the console distribution? Yeah, getting kicked off your game without even time to save your progress all because you didn't connect online for whatever reason.

Always on DRM is ALWAYS ON. While I did end up buying? Or getting gifted? (I can't recall) Zestiria, it really was only because of a Steam sale. This company is already semi-blacklisted for me due to past messed up crimes they've commited against fans and myself. It seems they just don't learn.

Denuvo has been hacked and games with Denovu have been made drm free to play with no problems. It won't stop piracy on any scale even on consoles which PS4 still suffers from to an extent. But this is Steam! It's already a DRM platform which we use to play and boot our games. We do not need more drm on top of drm because some japanese don't take to the whole modding comminuties and people who make common sense fixes to trashy ports, like Shamco makes of course.

But yes, given the new trend of holding nostalgia games ransom to preorder tier lists where all fans have to pay for potentially broken and unoptimized for PC ports of games we once enjoyed, and how the community is always stuck fixing their products for us, is it any wonder why most just avoid giving them our hardearned money when they keep doing lazy ports and over-censor each game more and more?

Getting less for more on top of harrassing the player with intrusive DRM is just another notch of why this game will be relegated to my ps3 or ps4 when and if it reaches a good used sales price, if only to ensure Shamco doesn't get a dime from me with how they keep treating us and the overzealous unwitting loyalists, it's just sad to see them taken for granted like that. :<

[Kaldaien]

Denuvo isn't always-on though. You activate it after your hardware changes, and that requires Steam to be in online mode. After you activate though, you're free to go back into offline mode until the next time your hardware changes.

The PS4's problem is that the license is tied to the console's serial number. The PSN account that purchased the game also has a claim to that license, but in order to work that way, you have to be logged into PSN at all times. That's a different kind of thing altogether.

Also, Denuvo has nothing to do with my ability to mod this game :) It's there to stop piracy, and won't interfere with anything else... it's not VMProtect.

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

Gamez a écrit :

Why are you so butthurt about Denuvo? It literally doesn't break anything about the game. Stop being a SJW. Either buy the game or leave.

The hell does this have to do with SJWs? Take your anti-SJW crusading and colored glasses and throw them elsewhere. (In the garbage bin preferably.)

[Yeloazndevil]

I have never approved of Denuvo, but it will never hinder me from buying the game I like if it uses Denuvo.

I never had an issue with it and probably won't have a problem with it in the future. The only thing that truely makes me hate Denuvo is threads about people that don't want to buy a game because of it

[Kaldaien]

Then you must also hate vaccines, lol.

Meanwhile, I, um, am very grateful I didn't get the Measles as a child because everyone used to comply with societal norms instead of putting other people at risk.

[iemander]

Am I the only one that actually likes Denuvo? If a developer does not implement a working DRM, I can't believe people would find it acceptable to pay for a game that others are just downloading for free. Why should they do the effort in paying for something others can just download easily.

Pirates are parasites that leech off free stuff from other people's hard work. Being a software developer myself, I know very well the pain and unbelievable amount of high stress work of a large software development project with difficult deadlines. These guys work harder than any pirate probably ever did in his life, and should at least get the proper respect of people actually paying for their product. By being against unintrusive DRM, you are effectively silently agreeing with this and are part of the problem.

Denuvo is great because it works, it hasn't been cracked consistently and it's giving crack groups a world of pain. I would feel differently if it didn't work at all. Second, it's also not intrusive. It's a very lightweight solution that causes no harm to the user, which makes it even better.

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

iemander a écrit :

Am I the only one that actually likes Denuvo? I can't believe people find it acceptable to pay for a game that others are just downloading for free. Why should I do the effort in paying for something others can just download easily.

If you like Denuvo from your position as a software developer (which you say you are), then I guess that can make sense.

But I don't see how it makes sense to like something for...what, making it possible to feel superior because you're able to pay for the game and give the finger to people who pirated the game so they get anti-pat-on-the-back or something? Can't you do that even without DRM? I mean, how the hell does it enhance one's enjoyment of a game anyway? Especially a single-player game where whatever other people do with it doesn't affect your game experience.

It seems that the only reason on this line of argument is spite, and that's not a particularly relevant (or good) reason to do anything.

[John]

Its funny how people hate DRM but then turn around and talk about how much they love steam.

[Yeloazndevil]

Kaldaien a écrit :

Then you must also hate vaccines, lol.

Meanwhile, I, um, am very grateful I didn't get the Measles as a child because everyone used to comply with societal norms instead of putting other people at risk.

well I hate needles and I do remember crying as a kid getting vaccines

[iemander]

Quint the House Gecko a écrit :

iemander a écrit :

Am I the only one that actually likes Denuvo? I can't believe people find it acceptable to pay for a game that others are just downloading for free. Why should I do the effort in paying for something others can just download easily.

If you like Denuvo from your position as a software developer (which you say you are), then I guess that can make sense.

But I don't see how it makes sense to like something for...what, making it possible to feel superior because you're able to pay for the game and give the finger to people who pirated the game so they get anti-pat-on-the-back or something? Can't you do that even without DRM? I mean, how the hell does it enhance one's enjoyment of a game anyway? Especially a single-player game where whatever other people do with it doesn't affect your game experience.

It seems that the only reason on this line of argument is spite, and that's not a particularly relevant (or good) reason to do anything.

Because if a developer does not implement DRM then he opens his game up for piracy and allows it. People are then free to download the game, which does not incite much motivation to buy it. The argument is not spite, the argument is the logic why DRM is implemented. Also, don't answer just a small part of my post, at least answer on everything because this is taking things out of context.

I rewrote to make this more clear.

[iemander]

John a écrit :

Its funny how people hate DRM but then turn around and talk about how much they love steam.

Yeah, Steam is BY FAR more intrusive than Denuvo.

The problem is not whether or not it is intrusive, this is nothing more than an excuse. The problem is that Steam is easily cracked by a pirate group, while Denuvo is not.

[CyanideInsanity]

iemander a écrit :

Am I the only one that actually likes Denuvo? I can't believe people find it acceptable to pay for a game that others are just downloading for free. Why should I do the effort in paying for something others can just download easily.

Pirates are parasites that leech off free stuff from other people's hard work. Being a software developer myself, I know very well the pain and unbelievable amount of high stress work of a large software development project with difficult deadlines. These guys work harder than any pirate probably ever did in his life, and should at least get the proper respect of people actually paying for their product. By being against unintrusive DRM, you are effectively silently agreeing with this and are part of the problem.

Denuvo is great because it works, it hasn't been cracked consistently and it's giving crack groups a world of pain. I would feel differently if it didn't work at all. Second, it's also not intrusive. It's a very lightweight solution that causes no harm to the user, which makes it even better.

Why pay if you can get it for free? Don't know, probably because there are those of us who aren't morons... DRM is an argument that will do nothing but run circles.

[Soundersfan84]

Kaldaien a écrit :

Then you must also hate vaccines, lol.

Meanwhile, I, um, am very grateful I didn't get the Measles as a child because everyone used to comply with societal norms instead of putting other people at risk.

Or the mumps for that matter. There is a out break of mumps in the greater Seattle area that has spread to a couple counties and schools have forced kids to stay home if they aren't vancinated.

[iemander]

CyanideInsanity a écrit :

iemander a écrit :

Am I the only one that actually likes Denuvo? I can't believe people find it acceptable to pay for a game that others are just downloading for free. Why should I do the effort in paying for something others can just download easily.

Pirates are parasites that leech off free stuff from other people's hard work. Being a software developer myself, I know very well the pain and unbelievable amount of high stress work of a large software development project with difficult deadlines. These guys work harder than any pirate probably ever did in his life, and should at least get the proper respect of people actually paying for their product. By being against unintrusive DRM, you are effectively silently agreeing with this and are part of the problem.

Denuvo is great because it works, it hasn't been cracked consistently and it's giving crack groups a world of pain. I would feel differently if it didn't work at all. Second, it's also not intrusive. It's a very lightweight solution that causes no harm to the user, which makes it even better.

Why pay if you can get it for free? Don't know, probably because there are those of us who aren't morons... DRM is an argument that will do nothing but run circles.

Those of you that aren't morons? There's nothing illogical in stealing when no one is looking. I'm sure people, not just poor, steal every day to get an edge in life.

That it is immoral doesn't stop people, only how high the possibility is of getting caught.

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

John a écrit :

Its funny how people hate DRM but then turn around and talk about how much they love steam.

I can't speak for anyone else but I don't particularly love Steam either.

These days I try to get stuff DRM-free if I can. I just don't cut Steam completely out of my life because there are some games that are only available on Steam, but I can always buy them cheaply.

iemander a écrit :

Quint the House Gecko a écrit :

If you like Denuvo from your position as a software developer (which you say you are), then I guess that can make sense.

But I don't see how it makes sense to like something for...what, making it possible to feel superior because you're able to pay for the game and give the finger to people who pirated the game so they get anti-pat-on-the-back or something? Can't you do that even without DRM? I mean, how the hell does it enhance one's enjoyment of a game anyway? Especially a single-player game where whatever other people do with it doesn't affect your game experience.

It seems that the only reason on this line of argument is spite, and that's not a particularly relevant (or good) reason to do anything.

Because if a developer does not implement DRM then he opens his game up for piracy and allows it. People are then free to download the game, which does not incite much motivation to buy it. The argument is not spite, the argument is the logic why DRM is implemented. Also, don't answer just a small part of my post, at least answer on everything because this is taking things out of context.

I did take into context the rest of your post; I just didn't particularly like big reply quotes cluttering up everything.

I know the macro-level reason that motivated people to develop and implement DRM in the first place, yeah.

But I willingly pay for stuff that I could pirate, and I don't find it "unacceptable" that I'm paying for something other people are getting for free.

Maybe that's because I see paying for something as a practical expression of my appreciation and support for the efforts of the people who created those things that I'm paying for, and I understand that there's no "free lunch". It's not about me being a stupid sucker who is willing to pay for something that I could get for free. It's about me taking proper responsibility for the existence of something that has value to me.