Ignorance of cheaters.

[Rice Man Stan]

So I noticed that a lot (and I mean a lot) of people are using ESP hacks. Aimbots are less frequently encountered, but ESP usage appears to be the biggest issue I've faced since purchasing and playing RS2. Many rounds on so many servers you will see players run around, knowing where people are without any hesitation in their movements, which is a massive giveaway that ESP is being used.

I want to know what Tripwire and its associated developers are doing in regards to this issue?
Whenever I see this issue raised, I see the same "There are no cheaters lol, git gud" replies to peoples concerns. Accepting the fact that there are a high number of cheats, and it being a problem within the game is the first step to resolving the issue.

[=(e)= Lemonater47]

Map knowledge.

Nobody knows where anybody is. But they can guess.

You're gonna need some serious evidence. As a server admin I have looked at many to see if they were hacking. Got a few more tools you see. Have even seen accusations placed again people with negative KDs just because they killed the same guy 5 times in a row.

Accepting the fact there is "a high number of cheats" based on nothing other than someone saying "I said so".

[Rice Man Stan]

The ignorance of cheaters.

I've witnessed it, it's real easy to see if you pay close attention to the movement and paths taken by players. I am not the only person to observe this, many others complain of this issue too. A quick internet search will show you video evidence of people using such means to exploit the game. All of this I do not condone, and having spent a considerable portion of my daily income on this title, Ignorance is certainly not bliss from the perspective of myself.

Just to add...
I still love the game and play it frequently, just this issue is starting to affect my desire to have fun playing a decent title I spent my heard earned cash on.

[=(e)= Lemonater47]

Originally posted by Chunk Norris:

The ignorance of cheaters.

I've witnessed it, it's real easy to see if you pay close attention to the movement and paths taken by players. I am not the only person to observe this, many others complain of this issue too. A quick internet search will show you video evidence of people using such means to exploit the game. All of this I do not condone, and having spent a considerable portion of my daily income on this title, Ignorance is certainly not bliss from the perspective of myself.

A quick google search will show you a bunch of things from 2017 that no longer work.

I've seen about 3 confirmed hackers since release and none of them were this year. They aren't very common. All 3 ended up getting EAC banned after they got manually banned. And all 3 were trying to be discreet. I've played this game a lot.

How common do you think hackers are. How often do you see them?

[Rice Man Stan]

I see the behavioural traits I described previously on several official and unofficial servers on a daily basis. I believe the use of exploits to be uncommon, possibly even rare but it does exist. I frequently witness patterns of movement, behaviour and the play style that can be attributed to "extra sensory perception".

I should give examples:
111m Pistol headshot whilst in solid cover, behind a brown background, wearing brown. Popped out from the rock for a second to view the other side, and then it happened.

Flamethrower running around a point, 'knowing' where players on the point were, even behind cover and when hidden, drop shooting people instantly as they enter rooms as if they knew someone was there before entering...Probably due to map knowledge?

[=(e)= Lemonater47]

Originally posted by Chunk Norris:

I see the behavioural traits I described previously on several official and unofficial servers on a daily basis. I believe the use of exploits to be uncommon, possibly even rare but it does exist. I frequently witness patterns of movement, behaviour and the play style that can be attributed to "extra sensory perception".

I should give examples:
111m Pistol headshot whilst in solid cover, behind a brown background, wearing brown. Popped out from the rock for a second to view the other side, and then it happened.

Flamethrower running around a point, 'knowing' where players on the point were, even behind cover and when hidden, drop shooting people instantly as they enter rooms as if they knew someone was there before entering...Probably due to map knowledge?

At 111m pistols are so inaccurate he could have been aiming at someone else and the round went through your head instead. The only pistol which could realibly hit at that distance is the Browning hi power.

It's a flamethrower. The flamethrower doesn't have to "know" he just has to press LMB. He doesn't need to aim. He only needs to burn. The best way to use it is to surprise the hell out of your victims. He was running around the point burning anyone he saw.

Why do you assume he somehow knew where they were???

[Rice Man Stan]

The way the player dived on the floor, moved to cover, always knowing where the enemy were in every situation that faced them. Being able to plan such movements without knowing where the enemy was using scouting mechanics.

From my perspective after witnessing the situation through two rounds, I had come to the conclusion that they were using exploits. Skill can't produce that level of situational awareness and capability alone. Having been involved in E-sports and competitions, playing games for over 20 years, I know what I witnessed was a cheater. Why do the majority assume there are no cheaters when there blatantly are exploits in use?

Easy anti-cheat is renown for being a pile of dung, even Insurgency Sandstorm suffers from this same issue, but at least the Insurgency community accept there are problems!

[=(e)= Lemonater47]

Originally posted by Chunk Norris:

The way the player dived on the floor, moved to cover, always knowing where the enemy were in every situation that faced them. Being able to plan such movements without knowing where the enemy was using scouting mechanics.

From my perspective after witnessing the situation through two rounds, I had come to the conclusion that they were using exploits. Skill can't produce that level of situational awareness and capability alone. Having been involved in E-sports and competitions, playing games for over 20 years, I know what I witnessed was a cheater. Why do the majority assume there are no cheaters when there blatantly are exploits in use?

Easy anti-cheat is renown for being a pile of dung, even Insurgency Sandstorm suffers from this same issue, but at least the Insurgency community accept there are problems!

So that makes you better than everyone else?

You're literally talking about a player running around blind, frying anyone who got in his way. Suddenly that's hacking.

Shift+W isn't hacking.

[YourNewBFF]

I think both of you are on the extreme end of things. Very few people are cheating if at all, but it certainly isn't impossible.

[Rice Man Stan]

Originally posted by =(e)= Lemonater47:

So that makes you better than everyone else?

You're literally talking about a player running around blind, frying anyone who got in his way. Suddenly that's hacking.

Shift+W isn't hacking.

I never said I was better than everyone else I'm merely sharing my observations, and expressing that I have played games for long enough to determine human level ability, and computer assisted ability.

Originally posted by FeedYourHead:

I think both of you are on the extreme end of things. Very few people are cheating if at all, but it certainly isn't impossible.

I agree. But there is no recognition that they do exist, and that the problem is being resolved actively. This is the main reason for this discussion being created, to attempt a resolution, and to find out if the issue is as widespread as I believe it to be.

So far I'm still getting the same responses that're commonly found when people complain of cheating within the title.

To return to a point made earlier by Lemon, they certainly do exist.

Originally posted by =(e)= Lemonater47:

I've seen about 3 confirmed hackers since release and none of them were this year. They aren't very common. All 3 ended up getting EAC banned after they got manually banned. And all 3 were trying to be discreet. I've played this game a lot.

[headhunter]

This game kind of has a built in esp when recon/scout is up you can easily work out where enemy is and just shoot in that direction. It's part of the game so is not cheating. If you learn how to use map properly you can rack up loads of kills. I have map key assigned to an easy to reach switch on mouse so I can flash the map on and off very fast

[Rice Man Stan]

The situations I described both happened without the enemy teams recon mechanic being active.

[=(e)= Lemonater47]

But again your assume these people knew where all their targets where.

They didn't.

They were just prepared for anything. Unless somebody is actively looking in your direction when you run around a corner you are going to win that fight. Whether or not you knew they were there or not.

That's why running and gunning is such an effective playstyle. The game does all it can make it hard to have that playstyle. But you can't stop it. All you gotta do is expect an enemy at every corner. Behind every obstacle. That way you are a hell of a lot more prepared than the people who surprise. Most of the time they won't even see you. Looking the other way. Or if they do see you they aren't at all prepared for you. Their reactions will be slower. Add a flamethrower into the mix and their reactions matter even less.

I ain't saying hackers don't exist. I'm saying those specific examples weren't hackers. I'm very familiar with what you described. Because that is the way I play.

[Cynical Jester]

Dang dude you sound salty. "I've been gayming for 20 years YEAH! I've been on this that and the other nerd leagues so I know what I'm talking about..."

Nobody cares dude. You call up recon, look at your map. Boom, done. You hear people call out enemies and movements on your team... Boom, done. You open up on smoke with a MG and DONE.

You act like you know exactly what people are doing at all times all over the map.. "Oh he was just sprinting through the lines and gun fire and happen to come upon myself unprepared.... Yep he's wall hacking."

No. He just got the drop on you guy. Deal with it or uninstall the game. Cheating in this game is definitely not what you over exaggerate it to be in this post. Besides the fact that you're probably getting killed by what you label as cheaters because you were out of position or made a stupid decision then you paid for it, as you should.

[Zyfer]

:)

[Aбюм]

Everybody complains about the one round that kills them, never the 10 that missed.