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Redeemed Feb 1, 2019 @ 11:58pm
4AGames developer named "scynet" has responded
https://www.gameru.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=71769&st=0&p=1648737&#entry1648737

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I watched the bubbling. Impressions are twofold. On the one hand, the withdrawal from the stim is ambiguous, so no one has done so sharply (as far as I can tell). This is new, which could cause rejection. Yes, and such a move pulls the need to install an epic launcher, which could cause some inconvenience to the players, and therefore cause discontent.

On the other hand, the reaction of a certain category of players (onli torrents and all that) is hardly adequate. It seems that people did not want to play, just waited for a reason to pour out their bile. That is, it turns out that we (the developers) for years have been hard and painful, with losses, trying to do something special, but a certain category of players believes that our work is not worth even a couple of minutes to install the launcher. Naturally, it is their life and their right, but then what do they care about the Metro? Obviously, it is not interesting to them. I can only say that they were not our players either, they are not interested in our work, which means that, for example, the opinion of such people is not interesting for me either. What is the point for me personally (and not only) to listen to their opinion?

But! Consider the situation deeper. Someone says that they say they crap Exodus and the previous games in the series, it will make the world better, they will put greedy developers in their place. To this I can answer that in a pinch, if at all all the PC players announce a boycott of the Metro, then the next metro, if it does, is definitely not on the PC. Better or worse, decide for yourself. I personally feel sorry for the loyal fans, yes. But my assessment of the work done personally by me and my friends and colleagues will not change this. I firmly know that almost everyone who pours this dirt on the net is also incapable of a bit of what we have done and hopefully do more. And that means they have no idea what they are talking about.

And further. Despite the fact that during the development I went through each level of each game, hell knows how many times, it is interesting for me to play Metro. I went through the previous parts completely and more than once, and now I am going to go through the whole PC version, to which we make the final touches. For me, this is already a tradition, I always re-pass the game completely before release. Allows you to evaluate the work done. What is it for me? I remember the words of the Prof, which I have heard more than once, both from myself and on the Internet - the game must be made for myself, so that you like it first. And only schA begin to understand this fully - no clever man can shake me about the value of the work that we have done. And there will always be disgruntled.
Originally posted by ClaudioScope:
He makes sense but its not just installing a launcher is it?

Is installing a launcher and paying 50 bucks for the game, and basically saying that is ok for Epic to come and bring third party exclusivity to our platform of choice.

Is basically paying for the game and saying is ok if tomorrow Epic wants to remove Sekiro, DMC V, The Outer Worlds, Cyberpunk 2077 etc from Steam.

Because make no mistake if Metro Exodus succeeds publishers are going to take notice, and this third party exclusivity crap is gonna spread like cancer!

I love Metro and I am heart broken, I could not buy it Monday and now I'm gonna have to wait a year. But no way in hell am I gonna buy anything from Epic and spread this cancer around!
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Gearwar Feb 2, 2019 @ 12:10am 
Originally posted by Redeemed:
https://www.gameru.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=71769&st=0&p=1648737&#entry1648737

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I watched the bubbling. Impressions are twofold. On the one hand, the withdrawal from the stim is ambiguous, so no one has done so sharply (as far as I can tell). This is new, which could cause rejection. Yes, and such a move pulls the need to install an epic launcher, which could cause some inconvenience to the players, and therefore cause discontent.

On the other hand, the reaction of a certain category of players (onli torrents and all that) is hardly adequate. It seems that people did not want to play, just waited for a reason to pour out their bile. That is, it turns out that we (the developers) for years have been hard and painful, with losses, trying to do something special, but a certain category of players believes that our work is not worth even a couple of minutes to install the launcher. Naturally, it is their life and their right, but then what do they care about the Metro? Obviously, it is not interesting to them. I can only say that they were not our players either, they are not interested in our work, which means that, for example, the opinion of such people is not interesting for me either. What is the point for me personally (and not only) to listen to their opinion?

But! Consider the situation deeper. Someone says that they say they crap Exodus and the previous games in the series, it will make the world better, they will put greedy developers in their place. To this I can answer that in a pinch, if at all all the PC players announce a boycott of the Metro, then the next metro, if it does, is definitely not on the PC. Better or worse, decide for yourself. I personally feel sorry for the loyal fans, yes. But my assessment of the work done personally by me and my friends and colleagues will not change this. I firmly know that almost everyone who pours this dirt on the net is also incapable of a bit of what we have done and hopefully do more. And that means they have no idea what they are talking about.

And further. Despite the fact that during the development I went through each level of each game, hell knows how many times, it is interesting for me to play Metro. I went through the previous parts completely and more than once, and now I am going to go through the whole PC version, to which we make the final touches. For me, this is already a tradition, I always re-pass the game completely before release. Allows you to evaluate the work done. What is it for me? I remember the words of the Prof, which I have heard more than once, both from myself and on the Internet - the game must be made for myself, so that you like it first. And only schA begin to understand this fully - no clever man can shake me about the value of the work that we have done. And there will always be disgruntled.

Idc about his ritual to replay the game. I honestly believe the game will be good. I was looking forward to buy it on day one and if he believes that a lot of us here are just around to spit bile that is his choice.

I do not want to hate on the game, in fact, my outrage is caused by my interest in the game. If it was just some random release I would not be bothered to respond at all to the current events unfolding.

But in the end it is just another video game from the plethora of other good games available right next to Metro. The issue is that you do not have a real hold on my attention, since the day has only 24 hours and I can only play so many good games per day.

I can skip Metro for a year and still be entertained. It is not to bad mouth your hard work 4A. If you think its just about hating, for the sake of hating you are wrong. Its about the fact that we as a consumer are sick of the crap being fed to us. Sick of the convenient lies that you try to tell us, on a daily basis about what is and is not good for the game or the industry and whatnot.

Its not really about "just the epic launcher". We are just keenly aware what your publishers all try to do day by day, release by release and we are so done. I love Metro and as much as I want to play it, I think it might be the martyr we need. A minor inconvenience to show how much power we have over you and your "decisions".

Its a shame that the game might be Metro (maybe it wont, I can not predict the future) but if it is I hope it will show that we will not let this industry get destroyed lightly.
Xerxes Feb 2, 2019 @ 12:11am 
I'll buy the game when it's on Steam and that's that, if the game undersells on PC because the PC base refused your bait and switch tactic, refused taking choice out of an open source platform, refused moneyhatting tactics then honestly it's your fault and no one else. You chose this move and forced it on us and no one else.
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Elu Feb 2, 2019 @ 12:14am 
I read it in the original Russian. Well... I don't think the dev truly understands why people are outraged. It's not about punishing the devs, no – many people believe Metro Exodus will be a great game. However, the publisher decided to pull a stunt. Gamers didn't like that. Gamers are outraged and don't want to give money to that publisher. Since the only way to get Metro Exodus is through the publisher, people can't pay the devs without supporting the crappy practices of the publisher.

That's pretty much it.
NotInUseATAll Feb 2, 2019 @ 12:16am 
Just like I said,
As always .

04.02.19
Well he need this then :whiskey:
Morrandir Feb 2, 2019 @ 12:21am 
Originally posted by Elu:
I read it in the original Russian. Well... I don't think the dev truly understands why people are outraged. It's not about punishing the devs, no – many people believe Metro Exodus will be a great game. However, the publisher decided to pull a stunt. Gamers didn't like that. Gamers are outraged and don't want to give money to that publisher. Since the only way to get Metro Exodus is through the publisher, people can't pay the devs without supporting the crappy practices of the publisher.

That's pretty much it.

and most of those who are outraged by this are people who genuinely wanted to buy the game, the developer should have been able to make that distinction. Should have just said it is not our decision and we understand why you are unhappy, but please do not hold us accountable for this and please don't channel your backlash against this game and our past games, it is not something we had a say in.
Elu Feb 2, 2019 @ 12:23am 
Originally posted by Morrandir:
Originally posted by Elu:
I read it in the original Russian. Well... I don't think the dev truly understands why people are outraged. It's not about punishing the devs, no – many people believe Metro Exodus will be a great game. However, the publisher decided to pull a stunt. Gamers didn't like that. Gamers are outraged and don't want to give money to that publisher. Since the only way to get Metro Exodus is through the publisher, people can't pay the devs without supporting the crappy practices of the publisher.

That's pretty much it.

and most of those who are outraged by this are people who genuinely wanted to buy the game, the developer should have been able to make that distinction. Should have just said it is not our decision and we understand why you are unhappy, but please do not hold us accountable for this and please don't channel your backlash against this game and our past games, it is not something we had a say in.
I'm actually going to sign up on the website and reply to them.
Morrandir Feb 2, 2019 @ 12:25am 
Originally posted by Elu:
Originally posted by Morrandir:

and most of those who are outraged by this are people who genuinely wanted to buy the game, the developer should have been able to make that distinction. Should have just said it is not our decision and we understand why you are unhappy, but please do not hold us accountable for this and please don't channel your backlash against this game and our past games, it is not something we had a say in.
I'm actually going to sign up on the website and reply to them.

yes, they should be let known that people are not hating the game, they are hating a shady company (epic) that is forcing them to buy the game from them alone.
NotInUseATAll Feb 2, 2019 @ 12:29am 
All of you are suprised?
I knew this .

My Name Is Noctuah, Pure Aquarius and Pure Owl, Pure Truth and Pure Power In ForeSight .

Wait on my answer, bc I am not in a happy fuaking mood due to someone .
RIOT|All my Fault Feb 2, 2019 @ 12:41am 
His response is natural but he doesn't completely understand why the epic game store is bad. It's not that taking a few seconds to instal a new launcher which is the issue but rather that there are many issues with the epic store, from features to security issues which make it unappealing to use.
Elu Feb 2, 2019 @ 12:42am 
Originally posted by Morrandir:
Originally posted by Elu:
I'm actually going to sign up on the website and reply to them.

yes, they should be let known that people are not hating the game, they are hating a shady company (epic) that is forcing them to buy the game from them alone.
And done, I've just written an elaborate reply for them. I hope they'll read it and understand what the whole issue is.
I wonder if one of those developer are gamer like us so they can share the point of view
That said the dev's response isn't entirely out of left field either.

Some of us on steam have been acting very ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ immature about this beyond what major disappointment and outrage reasonably calls for.

Actively saying they're going to pirate the game, actively review bombing the older metro games and what not.

Naturally this gets picked up on and naturally no developer likes seeing their creation dragged through the mud.

Key thing to remember here is that they chose to do this last second, and a lot of people reacted very badly to that, so misunderstandings? sure, but not completely unexpected either.
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Black Heart Feb 2, 2019 @ 12:46am 
Originally posted by Morrandir:
Originally posted by Elu:
I read it in the original Russian. Well... I don't think the dev truly understands why people are outraged. It's not about punishing the devs, no – many people believe Metro Exodus will be a great game. However, the publisher decided to pull a stunt. Gamers didn't like that. Gamers are outraged and don't want to give money to that publisher. Since the only way to get Metro Exodus is through the publisher, people can't pay the devs without supporting the crappy practices of the publisher.

That's pretty much it.

and most of those who are outraged by this are people who genuinely wanted to buy the game, the developer should have been able to make that distinction. Should have just said it is not our decision and we understand why you are unhappy, but please do not hold us accountable for this and please don't channel your backlash against this game and our past games, it is not something we had a say in.

It depends on what he was told. He may not even understand (language barrier) what most of us are saying, or why we're angry. Deep Silver may be trying to spin what we're angry about and the developer thinks it's just because we feel inconvenienced by a launcher.

But it's not that. It's about having all of the many choices we had before narrowed to one - and that one choice isn't the platform we all typically like and play on - Steam. And that one is a client that is so feature bare most of us wouldn't bother with it if it WAS the only choice for a games client. I feel confident saying that we would rather the games were installed on their own, DRM free and use Discord to talk to friends than use the Epic Store.
Elu Feb 2, 2019 @ 12:51am 
Originally posted by Black Heart:
Originally posted by Morrandir:

and most of those who are outraged by this are people who genuinely wanted to buy the game, the developer should have been able to make that distinction. Should have just said it is not our decision and we understand why you are unhappy, but please do not hold us accountable for this and please don't channel your backlash against this game and our past games, it is not something we had a say in.

It depends on what he was told. He may not even understand (language barrier) what most of us are saying, or why we're angry. Deep Silver may be trying to spin what we're angry about and the developer thinks it's just because we feel inconvenienced by a launcher.

But it's not that. It's about having all of the many choices we had before narrowed to one - and that one choice isn't the platform we all typically like and play on - Steam. And that one is a client that is so feature bare most of us wouldn't bother with it if it WAS the only choice for a games client. I feel confident saying that we would rather the games were installed on their own, DRM free and use Discord to talk to friends than use the Epic Store.
I've just written to them and explained why there's an outrage. We don't hate on the devs or anything, we don't think that their games are crap, but we're very... displeased with Deep Silver and Epic. I hope the dev will read it and reply because I'm sure they're pretty much in the dark on the issue.
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