Van Helsing Final Cut vs Grim Dawn

[Haskeer]

What do you think?

[Mokum]

final cut scince grim dawn is far from finished

[Tr3VR]

to be honest
I will say Grim Dawn because I played it more than the van helsing games
final cut improved alot of my isues with what i had
except my personal issue is I can only play for 11 minutes before the game crashes on me(which I found a fix for)
and these kinda of games are my favorite, it is eventual that I get bored with one and go jump on say Path of exile, then victor vran, then diablo 2, then diablo 3, then titan's quest (which grim dawn's team worked on)
Grim dawn has alot of content even tho its far from finished
it has a solid skill system that I favor over this one
its still being updated and every monday I belive, they send out a article of whats to come or what they have been working on
honest Get Grim dawn first
then get final cut
I have both
I'd recomend you get both if you like these type of games

[Feline Pawtism]

Van Helsing is a strong, well written, straightforward story from start to end, and while it has a limited selection of classes the potential builds inside them are numerous. It also has multiple progression opportunities through items also leveling up, and the adventure mode for random chaos.
- If you like story, and also like playing around with variations on a theme with your character, go with Van Helsing.

Grim Dawn is less story driven, in the sense that the story is there to support the gameplay, rather than the other way around. The gameplay is where its main focus lies, particularly around character builds. There are thousands of potential options from the skill trees alone, and even more when you start getting into high level gear and gaining unique skills and passives through those as well. The story also has multiple paths based on your choices, so you may end up playing through a different set of quests on multiple playthroughs.
- If you don't mind a weaker story, but you love the idea of no two characters ever being the same despite making tons of them, go with Grim Dawn.

I like both, personally. They're different takes on the same genre, and each has their merits. I played through Grim Dawn's predecessor Titan Quest more times than I can count. The skill system is awesome, and the community mods are fantastic. The way Van Helsing's file structure is, I would be very surprised if a mod community didn't spring up here as well. Everything seems to be easily accessible through text and XML files.

If I absolutely had to lay a decision on something, I'd honestly say Grim Dawn for lifespan. Van Helsing's story is awesome, but you can only play a rigid story so many times. Grim Dawn (and Titan Quest for that matter) only had enough story to fill in the background, but their focus was primarily on gameplay, investing in a character, and variation. That's where GD's strength is, and that's what's going to carry it far.

[Isaac]

Originally posted by Mokum:

final cut scince grim dawn is far from finished

If you mean 2 months before the release, then yes, it is far.

[Gothmogz]

both, really

[Cross{x}Hair]

I think both can be enjoyed. I think the combat in Grim Dawn is more fun, but I have 4 max level characters that smash the crap thru the current diffculty and content of Grim Dawn.

[Tr3VR]

Originally posted by Cross{x{Hair:

I think both can be enjoyed. I think the combat in Grim Dawn is more fun, but I have 4 max level characters that smash the crap thru the current diffculty and content of Grim Dawn.

yeah I see alot of Shaman builds being nerfed
hahaha

but yeah OP
there is also dual classing in Grim dawn
I actually feel a little doche-y for advacating for one game
even tho I said get both
it seems both are willing to drive content beyond the game competion date
and thats saying something for van hellsing since they are working on a warhammer ARPG
which I never really been a huge fan of warhammer but I am a huge fan of ARPGS
so its really cool what they did with final cut
and same goes for crate software and what they did for Grim dawn
its really hard to compare ARPG's together
they have the same format of kill, use your skills, get loot, level up, repeat
but they all do it in some diffrent ways and mix mechanics pretty well

[Mokum]

Originally posted by Isaac:

Originally posted by Mokum:

final cut scince grim dawn is far from finished

If you mean 2 months before the release, then yes, it is far.

released and finished isnt always the same and you know that :)

[Tr3VR]

Originally posted by Mokum:

Originally posted by Isaac:

If you mean 2 months before the release, then yes, it is far.

released and finished isnt always the same and you know that :)

even right now it has alot of content and polish coming from a small team

[Isaac]

Originally posted by Mokum:

released and finished isnt always the same and you know that :)

Actually, their "release" means the game being finished. The game world is alreay 3 times bigger than they originally planned. Only the devotion system, Act IV and more than two hundred legendaries left to be introduced in GD for the couple last game content updates. As finished as VH:FC is, I mean.

[Cross{x}Hair]

Originally posted by Mokum:

Originally posted by Isaac:

If you mean 2 months before the release, then yes, it is far.

released and finished isnt always the same and you know that :)

Even so I'd love a list of how it is far from finished?

[r¡sê ºƒ çhaös]

If you decide to try out Grim Dawn be sure you get it from Steam so you can get a refund if needed. Unless you decide to join the Grim Dawn promotional team where you travel around to all the game forums writing up long winded praises for how Grim Dawn is like the second coming of Christ. You also have to leave the game running while you sleep everynight to make it appear you have played it for thousands of hours and it is the best game ever!

Now that steam offers refunds its just laughable really. My advice for Grim Dawn.. maybe when its $4.99.

[Sonneillon]

I have both games and honestly I play them for different reasons.

Van Helsing is mindless action with a decent story/atmosphere. I don't mean that in a bad way but lets face it, you don't really need to do much thinking while playing. The builds are pretty much straight forward for anyone who has played an action RPG in the past 20 years.

Grim Dawn I enjoy testing new builds and trying new things. Some builds are OP right off the bat and others take a bit of work and then make you a God. Some others just suck. But overall I have fun trying the different builds out. Story wise? Not so much.

Both have their weak points and both have their strenghs and overall I think anyone who is a fan of action rpgs would enjoy both games.

[r¡sê ºƒ çhaös]

Originally posted by Sonneillon:

I have both games and honestly I play them for different reasons.

Van Helsing is mindless action with a decent story/atmosphere. I don't mean that in a bad way but lets face it, you don't really need to do much thinking while playing. The builds are pretty much straight forward for anyone who has played an action RPG in the past 20 years.

Grim Dawn I enjoy testing new builds and trying new things. Some builds are OP right off the bat and others take a bit of work and then make you a God. Some others just suck. But overall I have fun trying the different builds out. Story wise? Not so much.

Both have their weak points and both have their strenghs and overall I think anyone who is a fan of action rpgs would enjoy both games.

Yeah both have their strenghts and weaknesses aside from the fact that Grim Dawn is built on an engine from 2004.. something you will never find in the volumes and heaps of praises you will find in every other game forum where some schlub comes over and tries to promote Grim Dawn as something you should take a look at consider against the game you were thinking about (i.e. in this case Van Helsing).

Grim Dawn is a turd compared to Van Helsing and its an insult to the developers to come here making a comparison, unless you are playing on a 1280/1024 monitor, which on my screen fits in a 6X6 inch area.

[LotusBlade]

Grim Dawn has:
- 10x times more skills varietty for making interesting heroes;
- Stronger Pets for summoner class (hero does nothing with own hands - all the damage and tanking goes from pets);
- Better choises in quests and more sub quests;
- More bigger items influence on hero and difference between items itself;
- Lesser difficulty spikes (in Van Helsing on lvl 19-20 there is a huge jump of hard mobs);
- Upcoming feature Devotion, wich will give a lot of late game content;
- High replayability;
- Partial terraian random generation;
- Reputation of towns and mosters.

Van Helsing:
- Some skills making conflict with others (summoner class is example - only 1 type of robots can exist at the same time, making other 2 skills useless in each section);
- Useful pet to sell items fast;
- Useful shops;
- Voice acting;
- Extra languages besides english;
- Many easter eggs;
- Good towns with lots of things to do with items (combine, upgrade etc);
- Extra mini games (tower defense, hero adventures, chimera, trophies);
- Bigger stash / inventory;
- Unique monsters (nearly every single monster is unique, unlike rats and skeletons of Grim Dawn).

Overall? Van Helsing has more depth in details, it looks and sounds a bit better and lags less. But its not funny to replay this game, since mostly you can build only 1-2 different builds with any hero and cannot combine skills from different schools. Also Helsing requires you to make extra account registration, which is annoying. It has lots of things aroung main gameplay, which making it look cool. The bad part is - even final cut is just 3 different games, barely you can call it a one finished project. Its short and uninspiring. Helsing is closer to Action games and has pretty weak RPG elements.

While Grim Dawn meets all expectations of hack&slash genre. It has strong late game, huge replayability and varietty. Yet, its just a clone of Titan Quest, while Helsing shows some unique gameplay features and is just overall more charming.

Yet, i would strongly recomend buying BOTH of those game, cus they are just excellent. They are just not a games from the same genre, thats all. You cant really compare them. If you want make a real compariosn - pick Van Helsing and compare it to Victor Vran / Sacred 3 / Dungeon Siege 3.