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Bored Peon Feb 19, 2016 @ 9:50pm
Losing a settlement to unhappiness
So I was playing around torturing my settlers to find out some of the happiness penalties and such.

I gained Sunshine Tidings (11/6) and I left it as is only with the beds. This gave 10 target happiness. I waited around Sanctuary for three weeks (11/29) seeing how long the happiness bonus for completing a settler's quest last.

I go back to Sunshine Tidings and it was only down to 18 happiness. At that point I took away the beds. It took up until 3/24 to reach 0 happiness. Then I tried leaving the settlement and waiting around elsewhere, still nothing. That is four months to reach 0 happiness.

So then I decided to wait an entire month from 3/30 to 4/30 while having a 0 happiness.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=628227541
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=628227620

So as you can see the possibility of losing a settlement because it is unhappy is nothing but a complete myth.

I searched around the internet and found absolutely nothing about losing a settlement to unhappiness except:

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout_4_settlements

"Happiness
•Morale of the settlement. Influenced by meeting basic needs and providing trading posts. High happiness increases the productivity of settlers.
•Dependencies: adequate beds (under cover), adequate food, adequate water, adequate Defense, crafted stores (with Happiness included in the tooltip) to that provide Bonus Happiness to raise Happiness from cap of 80 to 100. Each Junkyard dog at the settlement will also provide a bonus.
•One may lose control of a settlement that is very unhappy. "

This is exactly why the wiki is not 100% accurate as people think.

Some other myths:
Being at settlement make settlers happy (only removes pipboy data corruption)
Decorations affect happiness
Settlers must be employed to be happy
Pathfinding affects happiness
Size bar affects happiness


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well that's stupid. I was hoping if I ignored them they would leave.
Bored Peon Feb 19, 2016 @ 9:54pm 
Originally posted by lewislemitar2:
well that's stupid. I was hoping if I ignored them they would leave.

Tell me about it. Four months without being fed, aint you dead?

As I kept passing the time away and it took longer and longer to reach 0 happiness I was thinking, "Man you gotta really suck or really ignore a settlement to lose it."

Also found out the whole happiness moving slower as it got closer the target happiness works BOTH ways. It took like a week per point for the last 5 happiness.
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Spocks Toupee Feb 19, 2016 @ 9:55pm 
It's always good to understand the sociopathic personality types of the forum bullies.
I guarantee my post will draw the other three forum sociopaths in here without even having to name them.

Originally posted by Spocks Toupee:
It's always good to understand the sociopathic personality types of the forum bullies.
I guarantee my post will draw the other three forum sociopaths in here without even having to name them.

Obvious troll is obvious
Bored Peon Feb 19, 2016 @ 9:58pm 
Originally posted by Spocks Toupee:
It's always good to understand the sociopathic personality types of the forum bullies.
I guarantee my post will draw the other three forum sociopaths in here without even having to name them.

Its past his bed time. I noticed his trend of posting a "Fallout 4 sucks type topic" while insulting the community and repsonds for about ten minutes, then it goes on for like 5-10 pages without him.
Originally posted by Bored Peon:
Originally posted by Spocks Toupee:
It's always good to understand the sociopathic personality types of the forum bullies.
I guarantee my post will draw the other three forum sociopaths in here without even having to name them.

Its past his bed time. I noticed his trend of posting a "Fallout 4 sucks type topic" while insulting the community and repsonds for about ten minutes, then it goes on for like 5-10 pages without him.
I wanna poke him with stick
Bored Peon Feb 19, 2016 @ 10:11pm 
I also wonder how long until the wrong information is removed from the wiki.

I remember a previous inaccuracy about Gene's daughter being buried behind Abernathy Farm.

Which kinda made me wonder about Connie considering that grave belongs to Mary Abernathy. Maybe Blake was shooting blanks?
Bored Peon Feb 20, 2016 @ 2:07am 
Maybe Gene got the dogs in the divorce and Blake adopted the kids? Then he has to sell you a dog to pay alimony?
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Cyan Feb 20, 2016 @ 3:42am 
So as you can see the possibility of losing a settlement because it is unhappy is nothing but a complete myth.

I once lost Oberland Station and I don't know why. I never solved those radiant quests but they still had everything they need.
Bored Peon Feb 20, 2016 @ 3:43am 
Originally posted by Cyan:
So as you can see the possibility of losing a settlement because it is unhappy is nothing but a complete myth.

I once lost Oberland Station and I don't know why. I never solved those radiant quests but they still had everything they need.

Wish I knew how ya did. I wanted to see it, lol. Like I said I really really tried to lose it.

Maybe it wont happen until after you help Worthless, Useless, Gutless, Drugless and Thankless?
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Spocks Toupee Feb 20, 2016 @ 8:37am 
I haven't lost a settlement, but Oberland Station has 3 Brahmin, (Which I believe is another myth, that settlements can only have one Brahmin)

Starlight Drive-In has two
Parrhesiastes Feb 20, 2016 @ 9:14am 
If we are going to rank data, this forum would be the worst offender by far. Almost everything is garbage and the few kernels of good information are typically buried under dozens of pages of nonsense.

Next would be the reviews, particularly the early ones. Some of the worst examples come from here.

Wikia pages might come next after that. They certainly aren't perfect but they improve over time. For a newly released title, there will be lots of inaccuracies but it's still the best source of information by far. I have yet to find something better.

Although I applaud the OP's efforts at gathering good data, unfortunately, it neither proves nor disproves anything. "One may lose control of a settlement that is very unhappy" - the important word you skipped by is "may". That means your test on a single settlement has no bearing on the question. Even if you left it for longer than just one month, it still would prove nothing at all. According to what you quoted, tanking the happiness "may" result in the loss of the settlement...or it "may" not. Nobody ever promised you that dropping happiness would cause the loss of your settlement everytime.

In order to disprove the quote, you would have to prove that it never happens at all. That would take a lot more testing, under many different scenarios.

Then you identified a number of other "myths" but didn't provide any information to back that up. It's all opinion and assumptions - not unlike those who never even bothered to test anything.

I think the OP deserves some credit for giving it a good try but jumping to conclusions based upon such limited data is wrong. I like that you tried to be more accurate but I take issue with your methodology.

Having said all that, it is interesting and busting myths that fools toss around is a wonderful way to spend your time - keep up the good work! Your experiment has only just begun.

(This comment is intended to be supportive and encourage people to question what they are told and gather better data...my apologies if it comes across differently...I'm still working on my first cup of coffee;)
Bored Peon Feb 20, 2016 @ 11:32am 
Originally posted by White Knight:
Then you identified a number of other "myths" but didn't provide any information to back that up. It's all opinion and assumptions - not unlike those who never even bothered to test anything.

So I should have to repost everything I know and how I know each and every time I post something?

Originally posted by Spocks Toupee:
I haven't lost a settlement, but Oberland Station has 3 Brahmin, (Which I believe is another myth, that settlements can only have one Brahmin)

Starlight Drive-In has two

Every settler you gain through the beacon has a chance to bring a brahmin with them. It basically depends if a brahmin spawne dwith the settler in the surrounding area. My record so far is 4 with a 17 population at Taffington Boathouse.
I can confirm that this is not a myth. I just got two messages back to back in the game telling me that two of my settlement's happiness is extremely low and that if it does not improve I may lose the settlements. I found this post as I was looking up on the internet to see what would happen if I lost them XD It seems that you need to neglect your settlers for a VERY LONG TIME in order for this to occur. I have never payed attention to the settlement system at all which is why this happened to me. I have 327 days passed in game and over 12 days real time logged on just this character so that should give you an idea of just how long this took to happen.
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Bored Peon Mar 16, 2016 @ 3:50pm 
Yeah, but you still never lost it, lol.

Like I pointed out the current happiness dropping slows down closer it gets to zero just like it raises slower reaching 100% happiness.

I literally went like two in game with a 0% happiness and never lost it. It took four months in game for happiness to go from 30% it started at to 0%, and that was with taking away their defense, beds, food, and water.

My opinion is if your target happiness is 0% and you fall below like 20% there should have been a daily chance they revolt and you lose the settlement. The very least settlers start deserting to live elsewhere.

I guess this is what happens when you make things too easy. I wanted to lose one just to be able see what it takes and what happens.
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