Warhammer 40,000: Eternal Crusade

Warhammer 40,000: Eternal Crusade

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cleric66 14. nov. 2018 kl. 15:25
Marines vs Eldar today
Got into a few matches today as LSM won 1 lost 4, all the losses are on infantry only maps, Marines you are using poor loadouts, and you are not learning from mistakes, Are you pinned down on Promethium? switch loadouts, melee and short range bolter mods leave you unable to return fire, Plasma rifles and Grav guns have longer range, yes they over heat, BUT if everybody is using them or a Devastator to mass firepower, LOOK THE ♥♥♥♥ AROUND, while screaming for Eldar boycotts cheating and nerfing, pick out the enemy or pick out a teamate fighting one and get an assist, stop running past teamates in combat and just help kill that one.

Stop with the ♥♥♥♥♥♥ whining And figure out how to play the game, they are not OP

I used a Grav gun every game, I managed a head shot on a swooping hawk, 2 skorps and a warlok, I slowed a couple dozen Eldar for teamates to kill, I cover fired on Promethium until the swooping hawks gangbanged me, get a clue on what weapon loadouts work vs Eldar. if your not going Grav gun or sniper, Plasma rifle or Devastator, las cannon warm up is too slow except on vehicles.

Throw grenades learn to throw grenades

Do you not watch television, do you not see assault and breaching tactics by cops or soldiers at least once a week? Get organized LSM and play the game with a plan.

just calling for Eldar boycotts and nerfs and saying only play against CSM, freeze out the Eldar and Orks, that isn't going to solve your problem, because then your stuck with only the CSM to boycott and freeze out, and its gonna happen as soon as you get what you want.
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Skullface 14. nov. 2018 kl. 16:50 
Might add to the list:
Apothecaries start handing out Vials, heals needed or not. They are your buffs, providing Damage Reduction (Survival), Heal over Time (Abiding) or Melee Damage (Adrenaline). They can be combined (if you can call it that, injecting someone with diferent Vials). If you choose the Medicae over a Beacon or Dome, you basically get a HoT equal to Abiding Vials (EDIT: but not as long lasting) to be combined with whatever other Vial you might run.
Just start running, shooting up every friendly on sight with those 25 you get.
Sidst redigeret af Skullface; 14. nov. 2018 kl. 17:49
xKROOGAAZZx 15. nov. 2018 kl. 6:28 
I have played both sides yesterday and i'm a solo player ( no team no mic , headphones ) , Eldar are not so hard to elimnate if you have tactics and good team . One game we ware destroyde by LSM like 10 or 12 minutes. On the other game LSM have no clue what to do and get anihilated at the spawn points. So - know your map and know what to do , read what your team is trying to do.
Oprindeligt skrevet af cleric66:
Got into a few matches today as LSM won 1 lost 4, all the losses are on infantry only maps, Marines you are using poor loadouts, and you are not learning from mistakes, Are you pinned down on Promethium? switch loadouts, melee and short range bolter mods leave you unable to return fire, Plasma rifles and Grav guns have longer range, yes they over heat, BUT if everybody is using them or a Devastator to mass firepower, LOOK THE ♥♥♥♥ AROUND, while screaming for Eldar boycotts cheating and nerfing, pick out the enemy or pick out a teamate fighting one and get an assist, stop running past teamates in combat and just help kill that one.

Stop with the ♥♥♥♥in whining And figure out how to play the game, they are not OP

I used a Grav gun every game, I managed a head shot on a swooping hawk, 2 skorps and a warlok, I slowed a couple dozen Eldar for teamates to kill, I cover fired on Promethium until the swooping hawks gangbanged me, get a clue on what weapon loadouts work vs Eldar. if your not going Grav gun or sniper, Plasma rifle or Devastator, las cannon warm up is too slow except on vehicles.

Throw grenades learn to throw grenades

Do you not watch television, do you not see assault and breaching tactics by cops or soldiers at least once a week? Get organized LSM and play the game with a plan.

just calling for Eldar boycotts and nerfs and saying only play against CSM, freeze out the Eldar and Orks, that isn't going to solve your problem, because then your stuck with only the CSM to boycott and freeze out, and its gonna happen as soon as you get what you want.

The whole point of Eldar balance is that it's supposed to be shorter-range and higher-damage, and the faction is supposed to be softest in melee in general so short-range mods and melee mods are supposed to be the intelligent loadout.

Plasma rifles and Grav guns do not have longer range. In practice when I tested it in the garrison all the ranges feel the same to me and I think that information is outdated. What Plasma and Grav do have is lower falloff. Plasma's falloff is reduced from a bolter and and Grav has no falloff. This doesn't matter though because something like 80% or more of this game's ranged combat happens at ranges where falloff becomes a much-reduced factor. The whole 80/100/120 crap can just be ignored. It only makes sense for Fortress maps if it ever did.

Are you saying you got headshots with a Grav gun? Cause I told you before Grav guns can't headshot. Are you seriously recommending the Stalker Bolter against the Eldar? Maybe with an aimbot.

IMO the ideal weapon loadouts vs. Eldar for straight DPS potential are Bolter, Quicksilver Bolter, and Storm Bolter. Grav gun is also useful but it will get you killed 1v1.
cleric66 15. nov. 2018 kl. 9:25 
Yeah headshot with a grav gun, the recoil rides up the body, Eldar have weak face/head, once the beam gets a second on it, poof, Hawks have the dive drop defence, once they notice the slow burn and drop, thier head passes thru the beam. Are we talkin about Aimed headshot with a Stalker or are we talkin just shooting somebody in the head, ? because i meant the latter, you can target anybody in the head with almost all weapons. Bolters got nerfed last spring, Both short range and long range, medium range got buffed, Plasma overheats but at short range does alot of damage to Eldar, aim chest to head, the upside down triangular Eldar hit box is bigger at the top.

The eldar hit box is top heavy, below the Belt its very 50% you get all your hits, above the chest is better, shooting them in the face/head is easier because there is overlap, so near misses can register as hits.

Your hit box is very easy for them, they can duck and chop your legs no problem and roll

You gotta walk backwards/ kick /shoot in face/ block/ kick/shoot in face/repeat until somebody is dead

The marines have a large arsenal, pick something else if your continually being defeated, Pick a new Play style if your continually being defeated.

If you don't like Eldar vehicles and speed and feel outclassed, on every map that has A vehicle spawn point as a capture point, whether on Attack or Defence I strongly recomend That point is the Priority of the game.

again try something before just asking the community to boycott Eldar players, or nerf them, I do get that they are fast and the trade off to thier light armour is supposed to be Fragility. However thats regular Guardians and Rangers, we are fighting the Elite classes and most Eldar players are Elite Veterans.

Space Marines and Orks are treated as Generic templates, The Eldar and CSM got better Respect, BUT still can be beaten, Its hard work for sure and a scream pillow or 2 is a good idea to keep near you when playing.
Skullface 15. nov. 2018 kl. 9:34 
On behalf of Stalker vs Eldar:
Not sure if it works for Stalker, but when using a regular Bolter with a scope, one can switch between over the Shoulder and scoped Aim. If that works, and actually also the Aim, the Stalker could be considered kind of a Shotgun. (EDIT: Key to switch is B)

And what i miss a bit in this is: Melta, Multi-Melta and the Vulkan, since Heat also damages during iFrames. Used to have some good fun with it. (Those who encountered the Orkz Napalm Kannon know how annoying it is)

Can also play on your luck, and put a Krak in your Loadouts. When being engaged in close Combat, try to enlengthen it a bit, then stick it and hope for the best. Or walk up to unsuspecting players and WOOP!. Been taking Vets with me that way. Best Memory: Carmine, the SM had a firing line formed, me as CSM slowly walk next to it and Krak one of them - took along 2.

EDIT2: Totally forgot: A Plasma Cannon is able to down an Eldar with 2-3 snapfired Shots.
Sidst redigeret af Skullface; 15. nov. 2018 kl. 9:46
cleric66 15. nov. 2018 kl. 9:41 
Skullface is giving out good advice, read before critics.
Oprindeligt skrevet af Skullface:
Might add to the list:
Apothecaries start handing out Vials, heals needed or not. They are your buffs, providing Damage Reduction (Survival), Heal over Time (Abiding) or Melee Damage (Adrenaline). They can be combined (if you can call it that, injecting someone with diferent Vials). If you choose the Medicae over a Beacon or Dome, you basically get a HoT equal to Abiding Vials (EDIT: but not as long lasting) to be combined with whatever other Vial you might run.
Just start running, shooting up every friendly on sight with those 25 you get.

I love my abiding gear...used it for months and months now. The biggest mistake I see apos do, is being too stationary: sitting behind boxes or in rhinos, just standing around waiting for stuff to happen, or basically doing as if they were playing a tac. That is not how it works guys, you have to move, be proactive, go where ♥♥♥♥ is supposed to down and give people those hots.
Sidst redigeret af Der Schneider von Panama; 15. nov. 2018 kl. 11:07
Doragor 15. nov. 2018 kl. 13:37 
And people talk sh*t when I say LSM is hard.

Thing is, Eldar are locked to one or two (useful) types of weapon for each class, while LSM is highly customizable to the situation at hand and the situation often require different loadouts for different tactics.
As Eldar you can pick the same class for different objetives, since they are all specialist classes, but on LSM you pick different classes for the same objetive, according to the enemy orientation you need the right gear for the situation.

Let's say you are LSM on the offensive and pick ground assault to invade an entrenched position.
You picked melee weapon + bolt pistol, congrats you got yourself killed in 3 seconds.

That's classic LSM, shields are f*cking OP for invading entrenched positions, yet nobody seems to use them.

Enemy is coming in hot with transports, nobody has the gravcannon or lascannon, eldar mow everyone down.
Enemy has at least 3 competent swooping hawks, nobody has stalker bolter.
Enemy has swarms of striking scorpions, but everyone is a devastator.
Enemy has a squad of dedicated fire dragons but nobody stays in the transport to guard and relocate it.

Those are the most overused eldar tactics for maximum cheese, LSM never counters them.
Sidst redigeret af Doragor; 15. nov. 2018 kl. 13:38
cleric66 16. nov. 2018 kl. 5:55 
Keep drilling this into thier eyes Pyrozen, constructive critiscism day after day might help on the Battlefield.
Delcane 16. nov. 2018 kl. 8:30 
The problem with many LSM is that they seem to bring 4 bolter tactical loadouts, 2 heavy bolter devastators and 1 healess apothecary.
Oprindeligt skrevet af Pyrozen:
And people talk sh*t when I say LSM is hard.

Thing is, Eldar are locked to one or two (useful) types of weapon for each class, while LSM is highly customizable to the situation at hand and the situation often require different loadouts for different tactics.
As Eldar you can pick the same class for different objetives, since they are all specialist classes, but on LSM you pick different classes for the same objetive, according to the enemy orientation you need the right gear for the situation.

Let's say you are LSM on the offensive and pick ground assault to invade an entrenched position.
You picked melee weapon + bolt pistol, congrats you got yourself killed in 3 seconds.

That's classic LSM, shields are f*cking OP for invading entrenched positions, yet nobody seems to use them.

Enemy is coming in hot with transports, nobody has the gravcannon or lascannon, eldar mow everyone down.
Enemy has at least 3 competent swooping hawks, nobody has stalker bolter.
Enemy has swarms of striking scorpions, but everyone is a devastator.
Enemy has a squad of dedicated fire dragons but nobody stays in the transport to guard and relocate it.

Those are the most overused eldar tactics for maximum cheese, LSM never counters them.

Kinda sounds like Eldar do more with less, while LSM must configure their loadouts and deal with the restriction of needing to have pre-made them and then brought them in beforehand.
Fryskar 17. nov. 2018 kl. 1:33 
Oprindeligt skrevet af Actual SPOOKLE Taters:
Oprindeligt skrevet af Pyrozen:
And people talk sh*t when I say LSM is hard.

Thing is, Eldar are locked to one or two (useful) types of weapon for each class, while LSM is highly customizable to the situation at hand and the situation often require different loadouts for different tactics.
As Eldar you can pick the same class for different objetives, since they are all specialist classes, but on LSM you pick different classes for the same objetive, according to the enemy orientation you need the right gear for the situation.

Let's say you are LSM on the offensive and pick ground assault to invade an entrenched position.
You picked melee weapon + bolt pistol, congrats you got yourself killed in 3 seconds.

That's classic LSM, shields are f*cking OP for invading entrenched positions, yet nobody seems to use them.

Enemy is coming in hot with transports, nobody has the gravcannon or lascannon, eldar mow everyone down.
Enemy has at least 3 competent swooping hawks, nobody has stalker bolter.
Enemy has swarms of striking scorpions, but everyone is a devastator.
Enemy has a squad of dedicated fire dragons but nobody stays in the transport to guard and relocate it.

Those are the most overused eldar tactics for maximum cheese, LSM never counters them.

Kinda sounds like Eldar do more with less, while LSM must configure their loadouts and deal with the restriction of needing to have pre-made them and then brought them in beforehand.
Its actually quiet different.
Tac picks stalker, now he's long range harrassment/devakiller.
Tac picks melta (+bomb if you like), now he can do AV.
Tac picks boltgun, now he's ai.
Tac picks storm, now he's somewhat better shortrange ai.

(others are more restricted, but can perform mostly 2+ roles).

Hawk picks any weapon, now he's harrasser.
FD picks any weapon, now he's AV.
And so on.

The quote you quoted was true years ago and is still today.
Most LSM i've ever encountered are headless chickens and best regarded as meatshields.

Simply because stuff like this happend:
Ork Loota gets attacked in melee by LSM elite, due to restrictions he's quickly losing dura/hp,
Rnd LSM appears, opens fire, mows down own elite and ork after.
Scorpion starts picking off LSM (mind you in the same 25m wide room) from behind.
There are 5x in and he slaughters them all.
Heavy weapon fire from behind, one turns around and gets hold down by it, dies as noone of the 5+ other LSM (room as above) notices the gunfire.
3+ Shieldbros try to kill the same target, 1 fighting the enemy, 2 stabbing LSM 1 in the back.
Eldar bring a serpent (still moving), LSM jumps down and tries over open ground to run up to it and place a meltabomb, gets roadkilled.

It never was because LSM have weak weapons, or weak aromor. IMO they have one of the strongest loadout for teamwork (lots of synergises everywhere).
Skullface 24. nov. 2018 kl. 13:35 
Just to bump it up:

Today Orks vs SM

This is a shoutout to Mr. "The Heat Damage on the Grenades is such ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥!"
Thats the Napalm Kannon. You can just snapfire it like a Plasma Cannon. Then its kinda like a Grenade Launcher (or, as they say on CoD, Noobtube), with bounce and fun and joy and FIRE!.
Deathwish40K 24. nov. 2018 kl. 18:17 
Cries because 4 people use Napalm Deffgun but is fine when 4+ people use Stalker....
Lagy_Paladin 24. nov. 2018 kl. 20:18 
stalker bolter is so fun to play against the eldar with, especially once you learn how to stop using the scope for CQC, i'v gone into rooms with 10 eldar mowing all the SM down, and just shot them all in the head clearing the room.
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