80 HP BF brother with 300-plus helmet and armor 1-shot

[Lampros]

By an Orc Berserker using the chain thing.

Now, Is Orc Berserker the hardest hitting enemy in the game? Turtle says I need close to 120 HP to avoid being 1-shot, even with BF and 300-plus helmet. What else in the game can hit this hard?

[Bumc]

Barb chosens /w hammers and lindwyrm main body chomps can also lead to some nasty one-taps, but nothing comes close to the chain berserker in a 3-way combat that manages to stack his rage and killing frenzy offscreen.

[NM9G]

The full to zero headshots a full 300/320 Battle Forge with 85+hp needs to be careful of is orc berserkers chains (ever since the most recent buff), hedge knight 2h single target, or champion enemy 2h single target strikes.
Chosen maces can 2 shot headshot 80hp, but if you make it a bit safer with a bit more than 80hp (colossus on a hedgeknight/farmhand/lumberjack/brawler does the trick) you can avoid a 2 shot, and yes there are posts you can search for where people compare the numbers for different perks, hp thresholds, and vs Nimble as well.

And I’m pretty sure that lindwurm head attacks can’t one shot a 300/320 80+hp forge as well as normal, non-champion chosen 2h hammers and other.

[UnluckyNoob]

Of course no. Champions hit much harder than orcs.

I calculated some max rolled 2H weapons and most dangerous foe vs 300/320/AFP/no steel brow is 2H hammer hedge knight/executioner champion. They may deal up to 180 head damage with perfectly rolled weapon and attack. So 120 from Turtle is probably with steel brow included.

But steel brow without AFP is not enough. Barbarian king champion may hit for 123 damage with his famed axe against bro with steel brow but without fur padding.

[UnluckyNoob]

And common 2H hammer hedge knight can only oneshot 82 HP bro, so 80 HP one should be quite safe.

[Lampros]

Originally posted by NM9G:

The full to zero headshots a full 300/320 Battle Forge with 85+hp needs to be careful of is orc berserkers chains (ever since the most recent buff), hedge knight 2h single target, or champion enemy 2h single target strikes.

Awesome - thanks! I will not let anyone except tanks go near them - unless I can close in to get the kill! ;)

Originally posted by UnluckyNoob:

Of course no. Champions hit much harder than orcs.

I meant just generic enemy types. And yes, I am extra careful with Champions.

Originally posted by UnluckyNoob:

I calculated some max rolled 2H weapons and most dangerous foe vs 300/320/AFP/no steel brow is 2H hammer hedge knight/executioner champion. They may deal up to 180 head damage with perfectly rolled weapon and attack. So 120 from Turtle is probably with steel brow included.

But steel brow without AFP is not enough. Barbarian king champion may hit for 123 damage with his famed axe against bro with steel brow but without fur padding.

Yeah, I put AFP on all Battle Forged characters now.

[w.f.schepel]

9 lives is your friend here. It is a great counter to BS hits. Of course you will need a plan to get the poor guy out of trouble, but if you have that in place, you can roll with close to zero casualties.

[turtle225]

Quoting myself so others know the context/conversation that preceded this topic.

Since the 2H Flail buffs from oFaF, Chain Berserkers have become one of the most threatening enemies in the game. Here's some examples.

A 300/300 Forge bro would need 104 hp to be completely safe from one-shot risk. With Brow you would only need 69 hp to be safe from a 1-shot.

A 320/320 Forge bro would need 100 hp without Brow or 67 with to be safe.

After day 190, Berserkers get an additional 10% damage buff which pushes the numbers around.

A 300/300 Forge bro would need 116 hp, or 78 hp with Brow.

A 320/320 Forge bro would need 113 hp, or 75 hp with Brow.

Brow (or Nine Lives) do offer a lot of help against Chain Berserkers, as the 2H Flail reworks specifically threaten the head with high armor ignoring damage.

To the question specifically, I believe Chain Berserkers have the greatest one-shot potential in the game of non-champion units, at least to high armor Forge bros with AFP that do not have Brow.

[Heartlessly]

Originally posted by Lampros:

By an Orc Berserker using the chain thing.

Now, Is Orc Berserker the hardest hitting enemy in the game? Turtle says I need close to 120 HP to avoid being 1-shot, even with BF and 300-plus helmet. What else in the game can hit this hard?

That's why 90-100+ HP and brow are meta on BF bros

[Santo]

Isn't that super bad luck anyway? I mean -- not just getting hit, and the hit being a headshot, but also being in the upper end of the damage range.

[thebadman]

Even if its not instakill your resolve takes huge hit from missing health and half stats possibly from missing pieces of your skull

[Lampros]

Originally posted by Heartlessly:

That's why 90-100+ HP and brow are meta on BF bros

Well, now I know! ;)

Originally posted by Santo:

Isn't that super bad luck anyway? I mean -- not just getting hit, and the hit being a headshot, but also being in the upper end of the damage range.

Well, I play Ironman, so I can't have an RnG fail though. And I know whole lot about RnG fails - both in games and in real-life.

[Santo]

Great point Lampros -- you're doing a great job mitigating your bad RNG!

[UnluckyNoob]

Originally posted by Santo:

Isn't that super bad luck anyway? I mean -- not just getting hit, and the hit being a headshot, but also being in the upper end of the damage range.

No. Berserker have 70 attack which is 30% chance to hit 40 def bro. And 40 def is a lot. Very few bros have more (note that chain ignores shield). 40% of that 30% = 12% is headshot chance.

Now let's calculate average damage. Average damage is 75. Add 20 skill damage and 20% berserk bonus and that turns into 114. Armour damage will be 98 after BF and penetration damage will be 114*0.6 = 68. It will be reduced by 20 with helmet and final damage will be 48. With head hit bonus that's 72. So with 12% chance your bro will receive headshot with average 72 damage.

[UnluckyNoob]

Best way to deal with chain berserkers is surround. They start using weak AoE attack and can't harm your bros anymore.

[Lampros]

Originally posted by Santo:

Great point Lampros -- you're doing a great job mitigating your bad RNG!

In our elementary school field day in Korea, small natural gas tanks contained in a mini-truck exploded - literally right next to the school gate. The driver, lucky guy, was out and getting himself lunch or drinks or what not. A lady who was just about passing through the gate (whom both me and my mom knew), uh, was blown to smithereens. You rarely see human carcass in this type of disintegration. I've seen a lot of war zone dead corpses (via books and videos); and none remotely compared to this.

This was so traumatic and impressed me from a very early age that human life is tethered together by RnG - good and bad :(