Total War: WARHAMMER

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Ask me lore questions
Alright, I guess it's about time that I updated this description.

This is a place for newcomers to the lore, or veterans looking to fact-check, to come and ask questions about the lore of Warhammer Fantasy.

FAQ:
Q: Is 40k and Fantasy the same universe?
A: No. 40k discussions go in this thread. http://steamcommunity.com/app/364360/discussions/0/333656722976215057/

Q: What is the End Times and why did it happen?
A: The End Times is the destruction of the Warhammer Fantasy setting, both in and out of universe. Chaos won the final confrontation and destroyed the world, beginning a new cycle and franchise. Out-of-universe this was done because Fantasy's models were costing Games Workshop more money than they were making them so they decided to scrap the setting entirely and reboot it as an 80's power metal album cover.

Disclaimers/Guidelines (I know that we're not supposed to back-seat moderate but sometimes it's necessary to keep things organized):
1. The most important thing; I AM NOT ALWAYS RIGHT. Do not take what I say as the gospel truth, I can forget and I can misread things just like everybody else. My knowledge of the Elves is also pretty shady. There are several regulars around who tend to fill in blanks or correct me if I'm wrong though, so you'll probably get your answer regardless.

2. Repeat questions are ok, so long as the question hasn't been asked on the same page or the one before it. I don't expect anybody to sift through 3000+ posts, but a light skim of the previous page won't kill anybody.

3. GW is extremely vague on many things, so sometimes there just simply isn't an answer to your question. They're also prone to retcons so sometimes what you think is the answer is no longer valid.

4. Try to avoid arguments. I know that sometimes they're unavoidable, but please don't deliberately antagonize anybody. Pretty basic.

5. Sit back, read, and enjoy.

6. No questions about CA's design decisions, or attempts to explain them. It's pointless, and just starts arguments and existential despair.

7. No using the word "strawman". It's a personal thing, it just grates on me.

8. No continuing the "Skaven don't exist" meme outside the context of the lore. I know it's fun sometimes, but it's old, tired, and just wants to rest. Plus it grates on other people.
Last edited by Reverend Belial; Aug 6, 2017 @ 3:28pm
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3am Jun 2, 2017 @ 11:51am 
Originally posted by Jakal "Richard" Longingston:
Originally posted by shunwick:
I am in this thread because I like learning about Warhammer lore.

As for loony tunes... what was The End Times?

an attempt to make people hate the lore, really................
Please... I am not trying to make people hate the lore. I love this game and I love the lore. But it's no use pretending that GW have not run roughsod over the lore when it suited their (largely economic) purposes.
A6M Zero Jun 2, 2017 @ 11:56am 
Originally posted by shunwick:
Originally posted by Jakal "Richard" Longingston:

an attempt to make people hate the lore, really................
Please... I am not trying to make people hate the lore. I love this game and I love the lore. But it's no use pretending that GW have not run roughsod over the lore when it suited their (largely economic) purposes.

He wasn't saying you were trying to make people hate the lore, he's saying that's what the End Times was.

In a way you're implying something I was wondering myself. If CA are allowed to make some changes to the games that aren't strictly in line with the established material, could the TW Warhammer trilogy be considered something of a pseudo-9th Edition?
New Willinium Jun 2, 2017 @ 12:00pm 
Originally posted by A6M Zero:
Originally posted by shunwick:
Please... I am not trying to make people hate the lore. I love this game and I love the lore. But it's no use pretending that GW have not run roughsod over the lore when it suited their (largely economic) purposes.

He wasn't saying you were trying to make people hate the lore, he's saying that's what the End Times was.

In a way you're implying something I was wondering myself. If CA are allowed to make some changes to the games that aren't strictly in line with the established material, could the TW Warhammer trilogy be considered something of a pseudo-9th Edition?

That is how I've been taking it in stride.
3am Jun 2, 2017 @ 12:02pm 
Originally posted by A6M Zero:
Originally posted by shunwick:
Please... I am not trying to make people hate the lore. I love this game and I love the lore. But it's no use pretending that GW have not run roughsod over the lore when it suited their (largely economic) purposes.

He wasn't saying you were trying to make people hate the lore, he's saying that's what the End Times was.

In a way you're implying something I was wondering myself. If CA are allowed to make some changes to the games that aren't strictly in line with the established material, could the TW Warhammer trilogy be considered something of a pseudo-9th Edition?
Oh, I misread that. My bad.

As far as I know, CA are not allowed to make changes to the lore without getting permission from GW. Every change to the lore that they introduce to Total War: Warhammer is officially sanctioned by GW. So, 8.5 editon or 9th Edition?
Originally posted by A6M Zero:
Originally posted by shunwick:
Please... I am not trying to make people hate the lore. I love this game and I love the lore. But it's no use pretending that GW have not run roughsod over the lore when it suited their (largely economic) purposes.

He wasn't saying you were trying to make people hate the lore, he's saying that's what the End Times was.

In a way you're implying something I was wondering myself. If CA are allowed to make some changes to the games that aren't strictly in line with the established material, could the TW Warhammer trilogy be considered something of a pseudo-9th Edition?

naw, it's jsut not canon. every warhammer game tends to get a mite goofy with the lore in places, that's why lisanced material is less canon that offical sources. where the game diverges is non-canon. like dwarfs using their kegs as ammunition.

waste of a good keg that, and you'll want the deposit back anyways!
SleepyNarwhalz Jun 2, 2017 @ 12:06pm 
Originally posted by shunwick:
Originally posted by A6M Zero:

He wasn't saying you were trying to make people hate the lore, he's saying that's what the End Times was.

In a way you're implying something I was wondering myself. If CA are allowed to make some changes to the games that aren't strictly in line with the established material, could the TW Warhammer trilogy be considered something of a pseudo-9th Edition?
Oh, I misread that. My bad.

As far as I know, CA are not allowed to make changes to the lore without getting permission from GW. Every change to the lore that they introduce to Total War: Warhammer is officially sanctioned by GW. So, 8.5 editon or 9th Edition?
I could actually get behind that thinking, but the problem is CA (unlike GW) pretty much never justify anything they change. If CA wants to change the lore then I'm (usually) fine with it, as long as they go and say "Alright, this is what we changed to make this make sense. This and this and this are no longer valid.". The problem is they're never going to do it because the people making these changes never know enough about the base material to do it :/
New Willinium Jun 2, 2017 @ 12:14pm 
Originally posted by Reverend Belial:
Originally posted by dashiang2:
two question: do bretonnian lord use mercenary? like one day they find their peasants too rotten (according to Vlad) and weak to hold against greeskin, so they employ dwarfs or elves to help them in battle?
No, not ever. Mercenaries are seen as dishonourable, and a Noble would never be caught dead hiring one.

Of course if a party of adventurers were to conviniently turn up to help, I'm sure some there would be no problem in accepting your help.

Basically what that means is that they absolutely do not accept mercenaries, but some of the less honourable nobles will sometimes hire them anyway but instruct them to look like they've conveniently turned up rather than act like they've been hired so nothing can be traced back to them.

Originally posted by dashiang2:
Second: is there any chaos vampire or vampires that worship chaos?
No. Vampires are religion are mutually exclusive, and that ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥t with Walach Harkon never happened as far as I'm concerned because the energy from that would have literally killed him on the spot.

Originally posted by New Willinium:
*snaps* Alright a fun question again. We all have little details in out mind from when we imagine characters or places that have no real basis in the lore. What are your little headcanon details? I for some reason unbeknownst to me always imagine Vlad Von Carstein of having a VERY impressive Goatee. I know it makes no sense but I imagine him having a thick yet well trimmed one.
Basically you imagine him as Drachenfels then.

*growls in responce to that*

In regards to the Wallach thing come now you HAVE to admit that if any Vampire would have turned to Khorne it WOULD have been Wallach and what energy are you talking about? From when he charged way to deep past the Auric Basin and getting trapped in the Chaos Wastes? Because that was brilliant from a writing stand point, that comes back to bite Vlad from just succeeding in everything he does.
Reverend Belial Jun 2, 2017 @ 12:18pm 
Originally posted by New Willinium:
In regards to the Wallach thing come now you HAVE to admit that if any Vampire would have turned to Khorne it WOULD have been Wallach and what energy are you talking about? From when he charged way to deep past the Auric Basin and getting trapped in the Chaos Wastes? Because that was brilliant from a writing stand point, that comes back to bite Vlad from just succeeding in everything he does.
I mean the Chaos Energy. Unholy is just as damaging as holy, and Vampires are again mutually exlusive with religion. Really even if Walach was one of the lucky ones immune to religious symbols (which begs the question as to which weaknesses DOES he have because it would be hilarious if he was a counter), Chaos would never accept him because each cult has a reason for despising his kind. Vampires are hated by Khorne because they're seen as stealing the blood that rightfully belongs to him.
Originally posted by Reverend Belial:
Originally posted by dashiang2:
two question: do bretonnian lord use mercenary? like one day they find their peasants too rotten (according to Vlad) and weak to hold against greeskin, so they employ dwarfs or elves to help them in battle?
No, not ever. Mercenaries are seen as dishonourable, and a Noble would never be caught dead hiring one.

Of course if a party of adventurers were to conviniently turn up to help, I'm sure some there would be no problem in accepting your help.

Basically what that means is that they absolutely do not accept mercenaries, but some of the less honourable nobles will sometimes hire them anyway but instruct them to look like they've conveniently turned up rather than act like they've been hired so nothing can be traced back to them.

additionally, there's the tradition of "sheperds" in the soutern part of bretonnia. there simply isn't enough knights to cope with the amont of greenskins and beastmen, so the lord will hire a mercinary company to act as shepards. of a single sheep for the while unit. it doesn't pay much, but every time the lord's messanger goes to check they're minding the sheep properly (which is often, can't trust those tileans and all) they manage to lose a big sack of gold, to which the lord sends a sternly worded letter about finding the gold and exactly how much money it was, and the mercinary captian sends a return note bemoaning the fact they can't find it and how much money they would be able to expect next month if they hadn't taken a job guarding a sheep and it's just seen as nobility protecting their property.

this seems a lot more silly before you look at your own government and why they do things.
New Willinium Jun 2, 2017 @ 12:24pm 
Originally posted by Reverend Belial:
Originally posted by New Willinium:
In regards to the Wallach thing come now you HAVE to admit that if any Vampire would have turned to Khorne it WOULD have been Wallach and what energy are you talking about? From when he charged way to deep past the Auric Basin and getting trapped in the Chaos Wastes? Because that was brilliant from a writing stand point, that comes back to bite Vlad from just succeeding in everything he does.
I mean the Chaos Energy. Unholy is just as damaging as holy, and Vampires are again mutually exlusive with religion. Really even if Walach was one of the lucky ones immune to religious symbols (which begs the question as to which weaknesses DOES he have because it would be hilarious if he was a counter), Chaos would never accept him because each cult has a reason for despising his kind. Vampires are hated by Khorne because they're seen as stealing the blood that rightfully belongs to him.

Hm. I've not heard of the Chaos Energy hurting Vampires and as for the holy Relics, I know that it seems to work similerly to how Vampires can walk about during the day, tremendous willpower the lack of which will cause you to burst into flame and ash. For an Event like the End Times I can see Khorne letting Wallach in simply due to how much blood he could spill but I think I see your point.

Out of Curisoity why do the other Chaos Factions hate the Vampires? Nurgle I can easily imagine it is because of their undying and Undecaying state of "stagnation".
Originally posted by New Willinium:
Originally posted by Reverend Belial:
I mean the Chaos Energy. Unholy is just as damaging as holy, and Vampires are again mutually exlusive with religion. Really even if Walach was one of the lucky ones immune to religious symbols (which begs the question as to which weaknesses DOES he have because it would be hilarious if he was a counter), Chaos would never accept him because each cult has a reason for despising his kind. Vampires are hated by Khorne because they're seen as stealing the blood that rightfully belongs to him.

Hm. I've not heard of the Chaos Energy hurting Vampires and as for the holy Relics, I know that it seems to work similerly to how Vampires can walk about during the day, tremendous willpower the lack of which will cause you to burst into flame and ash. For an Event like the End Times I can see Khorne letting Wallach in simply due to how much blood he could spill but I think I see your point.

Out of Curisoity why do the other Chaos Factions hate the Vampires? Nurgle I can easily imagine it is because of their undying and Undecaying state of "stagnation".
khorne hates the for the obvious reasons
nurgle hates them because of the stagnation
tzeench apprarntly just ignores them because he's got nothing to hold over them
slaneesh really friggin' hate them because they don't try new things, they're just always out of touch with the next new vice.
hashut hates them because he apparantly hates everything
malal hates them because they're too static and he's all about tearing down everything.
Ulrik H.D Jun 2, 2017 @ 12:34pm 
Riderless dragon(s) for HE is confirmed. Seems like they are going the "feral" rout with all the monsters in the game. Dragons (and possibly terrorgheist) finally got their breath attack too.
Gray Riders Jun 2, 2017 @ 12:37pm 
Originally posted by Jakal "Richard" Longingston:
this seems a lot more silly before you look at your own government and why they do things.
Fun example; up here in Canada we have the "the skill testing question". Games of chance are illegal outside provincial lotteries and licensed casinos, but if there's a "test of skill" to receive the prize it's not entirely chance based and therefore no longer illegal gambling. These tests are generally designed to be as easy as possible--math tests seem to be the most common.
A6M Zero Jun 2, 2017 @ 12:42pm 
Originally posted by Ulrik H.D:
Riderless dragon(s) for HE is confirmed. Seems like they are going the "feral" rout with all the monsters in the game. Dragons (and possibly terrorgheist) finally got their breath attack too.

I don't think riderless dragons count as "feral". I was under the impression that Warhammer dragons are highly intelligent beings, above-human intelligent.
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ArchaicReaper Jun 2, 2017 @ 12:42pm 
Originally posted by Ulrik H.D:
Riderless dragon(s) for HE is confirmed. Seems like they are going the "feral" rout with all the monsters in the game. Dragons (and possibly terrorgheist) finally got their breath attack too.

I recall the breath attack but I don't recall a confirmation of riderless dragons.

Originally posted by A6M Zero:
Originally posted by Ulrik H.D:
Riderless dragon(s) for HE is confirmed. Seems like they are going the "feral" rout with all the monsters in the game. Dragons (and possibly terrorgheist) finally got their breath attack too.

I don't think riderless dragons count as "feral". I was under the impression that Warhammer dragons are highly intelligent beings of above-human intelligence.

They are. They speak and aid the Elves of their own consent. Mostly, sometimes Words of Command are used but only a fool would rely on them all the time. Example, in the Sundering novels Caledor I fights a Black Dragon for the first time, he manages to drive it off but his Dragon wants to give chase and finish it. He's forced to use magic Words of Command to stop him that were created by Caledor Dragontamer I believe. Once his senses had returned, the Dragon forced Caledor to dismount to return home to inform his kin of the vile Black Dragons and when Caledor protested his Dragon responded "You go win your battle, I'll go win your war."
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