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Casual Dec 5, 2016 @ 10:28am
Complete trash
I only paid 25 CAD, but I kinda still want my money back.

i5 4670k
ati gigabyte 7870 oc
16gb ddr3
asus z87 pro mobo
dlink DIR-850L router
wired

I just really think the link is complete trash. Its buggy and doesnt run like it should. Games I've tried so far with various settings and its never as smooth as playing on the desktop, which I dont understand why it shouldnt be.

When you walk forward in skyrim special edition its blocky in the distancesha until you stop
dirt rally hitches sometimes...worked good 50% of the time.
family guy back to the multiverse game stopped working
carmageddon max damage bad performance
shadow of mordor bad performance
many more examples....

Do we really have to mess with every decoding setting off and on for every game to get the best experience? If that is the case, I rather just go back to my HDMI laying across the middle of the floor.
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Xjph Dec 5, 2016 @ 11:35am 
I'm very satisfied with mine. Blocky video can generally be minimised by increasing the bandwidth limit, I found leaving mine of "auto" tended to underestimate what my network could handle. You may also have better luck with the QuickSync (intel) hardware encoding than AMD, as the 7870 uses the very first version of AMD's encoder, which tends to output a lower quality result.
messyjesse80 Dec 5, 2016 @ 11:56am 
You mention your setup is wired. Is the Steam Link wired or the PC? Both?

Anecdotally I have seen people report they have better luck with the PC wired and the Steam Link on WiFi.

If your PC is on WiFi, what is the network card/adapter you are using on the PC? If you use WiFi at all, are you using the 5GHz network or 2.4GHz? 5GHz would be recommended if the signal strength is adequate.

You should definitely check the firmware on your router and make sure it is up to date. Amazon reviews for that router complain about stability especially with old firmware.
Mika Dec 5, 2016 @ 12:05pm 
Thats funny mine also works Perfectly fine and I just so happen to have Family guy back to the multiverse- game works exactly as it schould and also every other title in my steam library 80+ Fallout 4, Metro, Dying light, Pretty much i tried the hardest titles to run maxed out the settings and let it rip.....No problems to report on my end.

1) Fx 8320e @ 4.1 Ghz
2) Nvidia Gtx 780 sc @ 1165 Mhz gpu core
3)8 gb 1600 mhz ram
4)Windows 7 sp1
5) Asus 1920 x 1080 60 hz -host pc
6) Panasonic 50" 720p Living room (steam link) - Wired lan line hook-up no wireless here.

I really think the problem is on your end I hate to say it. Good luck.
Got Kevlar™ Dec 5, 2016 @ 1:10pm 
mine works wonderful
Casual Dec 5, 2016 @ 1:24pm 
Originally posted by E™:
Thats funny mine also works Perfectly fine and I just so happen to have Family guy back to the multiverse- game works exactly as it schould and also every other title in my steam library 80+ Fallout 4, Metro, Dying light, Pretty much i tried the hardest titles to run maxed out the settings and let it rip.....No problems to report on my end.

1) Fx 8320e @ 4.1 Ghz
2) Nvidia Gtx 780 sc @ 1165 Mhz gpu core
3)8 gb 1600 mhz ram
4)Windows 7 sp1
5) Asus 1920 x 1080 60 hz -host pc
6) Panasonic 50" 720p Living room (steam link) - Wired lan line hook-up no wireless here.

I really think the problem is on your end I hate to say it. Good luck.

Sorry if I wasnt clear, I have a fully wired setup.

I honestly think its your eyes man, and you dont notice it. I've spent lots of time trying to get things to run nice. And I've not seen success, even with quick sync/IGPU
Last edited by Casual; Dec 5, 2016 @ 1:25pm
Xjph Dec 5, 2016 @ 1:32pm 
Originally posted by Tick...Tock...:
I honestly think its your eyes man, and you dont notice it. I've spent lots of time trying to get things to run nice. And I've not seen success, even with quick sync/IGPU

Well, you're also being kind of vague about some of the problems you're experiencing. I've got Shadow of Mordor but haven't tried it on the Link. What kind of "bad performance" were you experiencing?
Casual Dec 5, 2016 @ 1:45pm 
Originally posted by Vithigar:
Originally posted by Tick...Tock...:
I honestly think its your eyes man, and you dont notice it. I've spent lots of time trying to get things to run nice. And I've not seen success, even with quick sync/IGPU

Well, you're also being kind of vague about some of the problems you're experiencing. I've got Shadow of Mordor but haven't tried it on the Link. What kind of "bad performance" were you experiencing?

Im expecting it to be smooth and seamless, like when I play on my desktop. From what I've seen the sheild can do this no promblems, sure it costs a lot more, but whats the point of this product?

I spend 25 CAD, so at the end of the day its whatever. But its just not a good product. Why would I want to play on my 50inch with downgraded visuals on 5.1?
Casual Dec 5, 2016 @ 1:48pm 
Originally posted by Vithigar:
Originally posted by Tick...Tock...:
I honestly think its your eyes man, and you dont notice it. I've spent lots of time trying to get things to run nice. And I've not seen success, even with quick sync/IGPU

Well, you're also being kind of vague about some of the problems you're experiencing. I've got Shadow of Mordor but haven't tried it on the Link. What kind of "bad performance" were you experiencing?

Studdering....fast movements such holding the stick one way to twirl will noticeably slow things down. entering new areas.

I just though I could stream at 1080p no problems with my equipment. Im pretty sure when I stream to my I3 4gb ram no vid card laptop WIRELESSLY im pretty sure i got almost perfect performance (maybe, i forget.... it was 720P but still)
Xjph Dec 5, 2016 @ 2:23pm 
Well, I just tested Shadow of Mordor myself and it was flawless. Had no issues whatsoever.
messyjesse80 Dec 5, 2016 @ 2:54pm 
I looked back at your original post. You mentioned turning decoding settings off and on.

You should definitely have "enable hardware DEcoding" on the client settings in Steam In-Home Streaming settings on the PC. In the host settings screen you should let us know your current ENcoding settings as well. You may want to try HW encoding totally off as a test.

Maybe that's what you meant, but just to be sure.

Also please try the network suggestions I made like updating the router FW.

If you select the PC on the Link, but don't connect to it, and press Y to get network performance, what does it tell you?

You can also turn on the performance overlay for streaming, it will diagnose a number of issues and tell you what the problem is.
bcursor Dec 5, 2016 @ 3:11pm 
First you should stay on IntelQuickSync encoding. AMD encoding on your card is pretty awful. I have a similar gpu.

It is expected to lose 1o-15 fps during streaming but I can play games without an issue just by lowering some settngs. In some games fps lost is not noticable.

When stutter happens what steam link debug overlay displays (Slow Network, Slow Encode ...)?
Casual Dec 5, 2016 @ 3:38pm 
Originally posted by bcursor:
First you should stay on IntelQuickSync encoding. AMD encoding on your card is pretty awful. I have a similar gpu.

It is expected to lose 1o-15 fps during streaming but I can play games without an issue just by lowering some settngs. In some games fps lost is not noticable.

When stutter happens what steam link debug overlay displays (Slow Network, Slow Encode ...)?

That is excatly my point though, I feel as though you shouldnt have to degrade anything. Isnt that what the technology is for? Streaming the picture from your PC to your TV? Why should I have to downgrade anything?
Xjph Dec 5, 2016 @ 4:37pm 
Originally posted by Tick...Tock...:
That is excatly my point though, I feel as though you shouldnt have to degrade anything. Isnt that what the technology is for? Streaming the picture from your PC to your TV? Why should I have to downgrade anything?
Nowhere it is stated or implied that there will be zero performance hit. It is true that it is often the case that there is zero or negligible impact, but this can vary wildly based on the hardware you're running it with. To answer your question of "why should I have to?" directly: Because you're now asking your computer to do something else in addition to playing the game. You seem to be under the impression that Nvidia's Gamestream is flawless, but this[forums.geforce.com] is[forums.geforce.com] not[forums.geforce.com] the[forums.geforce.com] case.[forums.geforce.com]

We know that you have an older model of videocard with an early version hardware encoder (four and a half years old at this point). A quality reduction is expected if you use its encoder.

Have you confirmed via the performance stats overlay that the QuickSync encoder is operational when selected? Just having the box checked in your streaming settings is not sufficient to enable it, depending on your hardware config. You should verify this. If QuickSync is not working that would easily explain a frame rate reduction, as it falls back to software encoding.

My system is an i7-3930k with an RX 480. I use the AMD encoder and have no complaints with the result.
Last edited by Xjph; Dec 5, 2016 @ 4:39pm
Casual Dec 5, 2016 @ 4:58pm 
Originally posted by Vithigar:
Originally posted by Tick...Tock...:
That is excatly my point though, I feel as though you shouldnt have to degrade anything. Isnt that what the technology is for? Streaming the picture from your PC to your TV? Why should I have to downgrade anything?
Nowhere it is stated or implied that there will be zero performance hit. It is true that it is often the case that there is zero or negligible impact, but this can vary wildly based on the hardware you're running it with. To answer your question of "why should I have to?" directly: Because you're now asking your computer to do something else in addition to playing the game. You seem to be under the impression that Nvidia's Gamestream is flawless, but this[forums.geforce.com] is[forums.geforce.com] not[forums.geforce.com] the[forums.geforce.com] case.[forums.geforce.com]

We know that you have an older model of videocard with an early version hardware encoder (four and a half years old at this point). A quality reduction is expected if you use its encoder.

Have you confirmed via the performance stats overlay that the QuickSync encoder is operational when selected? Just having the box checked in your streaming settings is not sufficient to enable it, depending on your hardware config. You should verify this. If QuickSync is not working that would easily explain a frame rate reduction, as it falls back to software encoding.

My system is an i7-3930k with an RX 480. I use the AMD encoder and have no complaints with the result.
It works best usually (depends on the game) when host encoding is turned off. This is basically my point though.....its different for every game....its just not worth the time and effort. Yes Ive verfifed quicksync working and all that.....
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Xjph Dec 5, 2016 @ 5:06pm 
If by "best" you mean "highest quality picture", that's to be expected. No hardware encoder to date has been able to match the quality of the x264 software encoder. That comes at the price of a heavier performance impact. Yes, the option that you find produces the better result may vary from game to game. This is also not unexpected. I think at this point that you just came into this with unrealistic expectations.
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