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Can you please talk to your backers?
Every year or so I check back in on this game after backing it during the kickstarter some 4+ years ago. The devs have handled communicating with their backers aboust as terrible as one could. Last update was in April, Update before that was November, Update before that was July 2017, All of them say the same thing. "We are sorry, we missed out projection date.. blah blah blah." The game was supposed to come out years ago but feature creep and a website redesign was more important then to just write a quck update to their backers.

I know Kickstarter isn't a promise to deliver or even a pre-order for a game, as time has shown, lots of them are becoming scams. I'm not saying these devs are tying to scam anyone. I've played the demos that we have gotten. The last one about two years ago. But honestly this dev clearly couldn't care less about their backers and has done irreputible damage to their integrity over the years.

I'm not asking for a refund and I'll be happy to check out the game whenever that happens, and I'm not trying to be a jerk, but honestly just really really sad that the devs haven't learned over the last several years that a bit of communication goes a long long long way when people give you money to fund your game. If I knew it was going to miss its 2015 projection date by this long, I would never have backed it, and definetly will not back whatever project they come up with next.
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True words.
If I didn´t knew better I´d recommend Steam to abandon this game from their list.
Aug 1 @ 6:59am 
I have no shame boasting about Slipstream here. It's graphically similar except more in a 2d vein, but even has an underwater lab level that looks world's better than the course these Driftstage people have made. Wish I knew about Slipstream when it was getting funded, because unlike this team, the game was made by one Brazillian dude using Linux, and he is still updating the game and it's complete. I look at the disaster Drift Stage has become and all I see is that I wasted my 15 bucks backing this crap, Slipstream is like 10 bucks and I guarentee even if it's not exactly what you were hoping Drift Stage would become, having a complete game in this style and vision is world's better than this team that can't even properly update us on how poorly they are doing.
DelkoDuck  [developer] Aug 3 @ 3:58pm 
I understand guys - I'm deeply sorry about how things have turned out in regards to Drift Stage's completion.

Since the Steam page went live I've been trying to find a solution to the games internal issues (like getting a publisher or a new programmer) but nothing has come together. I recived word Nintendo expressed interest at E3 about publishing the game, but I never heard back from any of my contacts in regards to that...The games co-creator and sole programmer Chase has been very hard to reach for the last two years - He goes out of contact for months, only to re-establish communication saying that he can't work on the game due to work obligations or something else; and the games development reflects that.

He is co-owner of the studio and controls the rights to the code - so handing off development to another programmer is something only he can do. My hands are tied as far as what I can do with the code - and inturn when and how the game gets updated. All I can do is relay what he tells me to you guys, which has been mostly silence - or excuses.

I'll do my best to get some real answers and news as soon as possible, I've already contacted press about putting out some kind of news release - but I'm only the games artist - I don't have control of the games source code or most of the Steam back end features - so I'm at the whim of when Chase is available.

I've poured the last 4 years of my life into this project, and seeing in this state turns my stomach; Not only becase of the tremendous effort I've put into it, but the dissapointment and loss of trust in the games fans. A lot of plans (like the full soundtrack release) have had to be canceled or shelved due to the games failure to see a real release - even getting the current version to you was a painful 6 month process.

I wish I could offer more then just my apologies - but without a cooperative programmer posting news updates has been near impossible - espeically given the understandably negative backlash recieved after posting the last few updates.



Last edited by DelkoDuck; Aug 3 @ 4:00pm
PP senn Aug 5 @ 5:47am 
Hey Delko, for what it's worth, I'm sorry you're being put in this position. I imagine it's very stressful.

Well that's depressing. It's also very strange, as nothing I've ever seen suggests to me that Chase is a bad guy or would do this maliciously. So I don't want to assassinate his character or completely bash the guy, as I kind of suspect there's more going on we're not privy to on the level of his personal life perhaps. But... it's definitely unprofessional and unacceptable, nevertheless, and he still has to take responsibility for that. As always I bear neither Chase nor anyone else any ill will. But I won't lie and say this doesn't deeply disappoint me.

Dello, thank-you for all your hard work and for communicating with the community. I've seen you reaching on on Twitter as well, and trying to reach out to proper channels to do some sort of press release. It's greatly appreciated. I hope both you and Chase, despite the frustrations, will keep the work already done on the back burner. So many great works - be they commercial, artistic or both, in many milieus from software to music to film - have been lost over the years when such problems erupted or professional and personal relationships broke down.

I hope Drift Stage won't be one of those. I hope it will be preserved and perhaps returned to one day. Things can change rapidly and dramatically in life, you never know what the future holds, so don't destroy the work. Just... keep it on hold in hopes of something changing someday. That's my third party outside looking in take at least.

But yeah. This royally sucks, I can't deny. I wish you all the best, Dello, and again, thanks for reaching out to us. I hope Chase gets his stuff together somehow. And, for those still longing to scratch this retro racer itch, I can confirm what another user did, that Slipstream is a fantastic game and is available to purchase on Steam. It doesn't have the same aesthetic, and its emphasis is on a slightly different era of classic gaming than Drift Stage's is/was, but it's still probably the closest thing available today.

Such a shame, I wish everyone on all sides the best in this mess.
Last edited by Vamphaery; Aug 6 @ 10:03pm
LingFox Aug 8 @ 2:29pm 
In the last year, since 01/01/2018, we've got some major updates.
I just hope Chase and Delko manage to deliver what they promised, even if this means waiting for 5 more years. I don't care. I can wait, and in the meantime I can try other games. Is not that this is the only racing game ever existed. Plus, I'd rather play the updates that just see a billion blog posts.
Also literally everyone were warned that this game's development would be slow as hell because of chase going missing for months and also having a job. Not everyone can get the luxury of having 2000 programmers working 24/7. Some people also have to attend to other duties.

Especially because I'm still looking forward for the other modes they promised, like the Infinite Drift.
I'll still get moist when I see a steam update for DS like a little girl,anyway. :steammocking:

Plus, he replies to mails and stuff. it's not that he's completely Awol, like another developer that went full retard when people said that his game wasn't that big of a deal. and I'm of course referring to wollay_fx and his game cubeworld.

PS: Just for the record, some updates also required 'em to rebuild the whole engine from zero. Which is time consuming as hell.

Originally posted by jake a guy:
I look at the disaster Drift Stage has become and all I see is that I wasted my 15 bucks backing this crap, Slipstream is like 10 bucks and I guarentee [yadda yadda yadda,nobody cares]

I didn't knew that Outrun and Virtua Racing were the very same style of game.
Christ, can't you add anything to the discussions (like, literally, EVERYONE WHERE YOU WROTE SOMETHING) beside spamming slipstream?
Plus, DS is still being worked on, the devs are active. Just a bit slow, but whatever. It's a big project for them and they need more time that they foresaw.
Also, if you feel that you "wasted 15 bucks on this crap" why don't you take a refund and take your leave? Jesus,annoying as crap.
Last edited by LingFox; Aug 8 @ 2:45pm
I can't speak for the earlier posts - but for mine and the one immediately preceding it, we're not responding to our own speculation, but Delko's post above. Just saying. People are right to be concerned after that post. That said, I remain hopeful the game will see the light of day, as I said above, and continue to wish both of them the best. And I hope people won't become too indignant or uncvil in response to what Delko said here.
Last edited by Vamphaery; Aug 8 @ 11:29pm
Originally posted by DelkoDuck:
I understand guys - I'm deeply sorry about how things have turned out in regards to Drift Stage's completion.

Since the Steam page went live I've been trying to find a solution to the games internal issues (like getting a publisher or a new programmer) but nothing has come together. I recived word Nintendo expressed interest at E3 about publishing the game, but I never heard back from any of my contacts in regards to that...The games co-creator and sole programmer Chase has been very hard to reach for the last two years - He goes out of contact for months, only to re-establish communication saying that he can't work on the game due to work obligations or something else; and the games development reflects that.

He is co-owner of the studio and controls the rights to the code - so handing off development to another programmer is something only he can do. My hands are tied as far as what I can do with the code - and inturn when and how the game gets updated. All I can do is relay what he tells me to you guys, which has been mostly silence - or excuses.

I'll do my best to get some real answers and news as soon as possible, I've already contacted press about putting out some kind of news release - but I'm only the games artist - I don't have control of the games source code or most of the Steam back end features - so I'm at the whim of when Chase is available.

I've poured the last 4 years of my life into this project, and seeing in this state turns my stomach; Not only becase of the tremendous effort I've put into it, but the dissapointment and loss of trust in the games fans. A lot of plans (like the full soundtrack release) have had to be canceled or shelved due to the games failure to see a real release - even getting the current version to you was a painful 6 month process.

I wish I could offer more then just my apologies - but without a cooperative programmer posting news updates has been near impossible - espeically given the understandably negative backlash recieved after posting the last few updates.
I'm sorry about what you're dealing with. i hope you get it all sorted out soon
gaspump Aug 15 @ 5:51am 
Came here to check in on the status of this game due to the eternal radio silence and sorry to read about what a horrible state it is in. I guess I'll simply add this to the pile of "will never be finished" games I've backed on KS... thankfully this is only one of two so I'm doing alright there at least. Too bad I can't at least get my soundtrack up front. :steamsalty:

Originally posted by LingFox:
Also literally everyone were warned that this game's development would be slow as hell because of chase going missing for months and also having a job. Not everyone can get the luxury of having 2000 programmers working 24/7. Some people also have to attend to other duties.

That's funny, I don't recall reading anything on the original demo page or the Kickstarter page saying "Yeah, by the way, our programmer can't actually commit to making this thing so expect massive delays." And frankly, the whole POINT of doing a KS is to build up that base of funds so that competing priorities like OTHER full time jobs get set aside or reduced so that the project in question becomes the full time work. If you disagree then please, tell me where my KS money went? By the account in this very thread the developer is extremely unprofessional at best and actively harming this project at worst. I don't care what their issues are - if that person had a whiff of personal responsibility about this they would hand off those duties to a subordinate. The KS money could have been used to hire a programmer while Flaky McGee remains co-owner of the studio and otherwise contributes nothing, which is apparently what they are doing now. By now I'm sure there are zero KS dollars left.

Time to listen to the KickStarter theme song again:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WCFUGCOLLU
Reach out to New Retro Wave on youtube and have them make a music video with your game. It sounds weird it will draw attention to the game. They have done that before with a game similar to this.
Mad Man Aug 15 @ 2:45pm 
Originally posted by gaspump:
Came here to check in on the status of this game due to the eternal radio silence and sorry to read about what a horrible state it is in. I guess I'll simply add this to the pile of "will never be finished" games I've backed on KS... thankfully this is only one of two so I'm doing alright there at least. Too bad I can't at least get my soundtrack up front. :steamsalty:

Originally posted by LingFox:
Also literally everyone were warned that this game's development would be slow as hell because of chase going missing for months and also having a job. Not everyone can get the luxury of having 2000 programmers working 24/7. Some people also have to attend to other duties.

That's funny, I don't recall reading anything on the original demo page or the Kickstarter page saying "Yeah, by the way, our programmer can't actually commit to making this thing so expect massive delays." And frankly, the whole POINT of doing a KS is to build up that base of funds so that competing priorities like OTHER full time jobs get set aside or reduced so that the project in question becomes the full time work. If you disagree then please, tell me where my KS money went? By the account in this very thread the developer is extremely unprofessional at best and actively harming this project at worst. I don't care what their issues are - if that person had a whiff of personal responsibility about this they would hand off those duties to a subordinate. The KS money could have been used to hire a programmer while Flaky McGee remains co-owner of the studio and otherwise contributes nothing, which is apparently what they are doing now. By now I'm sure there are zero KS dollars left.

Time to listen to the KickStarter theme song again:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WCFUGCOLLU

Sadly, you are preaching to the choir. I made a couple posts about this over and over again years ago in the "offical forums". Every time I posted, there was someone on the team that reassured me that it was stil being worked on and coming out "soon" and that they would communicate better (Remember that? Remember back in 2015 when the game was announced as coming in a month or two?" and there was contests to see who could guess the release date). I didn't believe them and just let them lie to my face and everyone else in the forum. Here we are years later and now we are getting some truth (Maybe), but the damage has been done. Too little too late for me, you had literal years to let people know what the hell was going on with this product. The fact that they rebuilt the game from the ground up and put in a bunch of useless user created toolset to make stickers and stuff instead of working on the game,, and didn't let backers know for over a year.... yeah, you had years to tell us.Too late, YEARS too late.

For DelkoDuck, man, it sucks but there is really no sympathy from me, again, if you were on the team, you should have had access to the backend of the forum to send out messages that this stuff was going on years ago or at least post about it. I'll NEVER back a product by this team, in my mind this product is dead and Chase is a fraud. There is ZERO excuse to treat people who gave you money to make a product like this. I knew going in KS was a risk. It's not entitlement to the final product, but it a agreement to give the creator money to asctually make the product. Not futz around for 4 years and put out two demos and post stuff on twitter every 9 months about how its "coming soon".

It's sad, but Drive Stage is dead in my mind and I don't think it'll ever come out. I'll never get my money back and I'll never get to play the full game that was promised years ago. I'm officially done commenting on this game. Here, on twitter, on reddit, on the worthless official forums... Period. The only thing I'll ever have to say is that Chase lied to people about the game and stole money. Even if the game dose come out some day and he does deliever. It's way too late. You showed yourself to be a coward. You could have told your backers something. If you went through a divorce, kids or parents or spouse died, Anything, Communitae. A simple "I'm sorry but I lost my house, I can't code untill this gets resolved, it might be two years from now." ANYTHING would have been better than complete silence. I'm done.Goodbye Dift Stage, it would have been fun

gaspump Aug 16 @ 6:02pm 
Hear hear, Mad Man. Honestly, this shouldn't even be listed on Steam even as "Early Access".

Hey DelkoDuck assuming you're watching, if you have the professional pride to do the right thing and the access to do it this should be de-listed from Steam entirely. It can't be flagged by whatever fragments of community are left (and leaving) since it doesn't technically fall into the provided categories.

For old time's sake:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuW4adFO9qo

I'm outta here, too. Pouring one out for this game.
LingFox Aug 18 @ 1:41pm 
Just so you've got a reminder: https://www.kickstarter.com/blog/kickstarter-is-not-a-store
By the way Vamphaery, I'm sorry it looked like I was ranting to you, but the rant was directed to jake a guy, who just kept spamming slipstream on the threads he said something.

Originally posted by gaspump:
I'm outta here, too. Pouring one out for this game.
Another one who cries. Want a list of actual KS scams?
Last edited by LingFox; Aug 18 @ 1:42pm
I agree. i was just perusing my Humble keys and saw I had a key for this. Never got an email or had a post on Kickstarter saying they were available now.
Originally posted by lvl54spacemonkey:
I agree. i was just perusing my Humble keys and saw I had a key for this. Never got an email or had a post on Kickstarter saying they were available now.

Same here as well haha. I saw a tweet of an interview with whomever about this game and I said man, what the hell happened to this game? I went to check my emails, nothing and decided to check my Humble Bundle keys and found a Steam key.

I understand one person behind the game is being a jack off but geez, 2015 man ...... 2015. This project should of been done ages ago.
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