Shadowrun: Hong Kong - Extended Edition

Shadowrun: Hong Kong - Extended Edition

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Kain Sep 1, 2015 @ 5:32pm
Racter..... What an amazing character.
Really, best character in the series and one of the best in any RPG.
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kremlinkoa2 Sep 6, 2015 @ 6:18am 
Originally posted by ////:
Originally posted by kremlinkoa2:
He can't feed off those who do not feel pain.

no brain - no pain. so very original. :P
No. Artificer feeds off the aching pain of the crippling injuries he gives his victims.
If they can't feel pain, he gets no sustenance from them.
Hence a pain editor, which makes you unable to feel pain, would render you unable to be fed upon by Artificer.
And if everyone gets one, Artificer starves to death.
//// Sep 6, 2015 @ 7:02am 
Originally posted by kremlinkoa2:
And if everyone gets one, Artificer starves to death.

and what if it's his purpose? why you think, that the ways of the otherworldly entities are as plain and simple as the minds of mere mortals are? what if the pain is something like dragons? :]
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HenitoKisou Sep 6, 2015 @ 10:24am 
Gameplay wise base Essence is 6, Racter has two leg replacements for 1.5 each and datajack for 0.5 so that leave him with 2.5 Essence remaining. However because of being psychopath he could develop some kind of cyber affinity so he's still "feeling" (lol) like 5.5 Essence. That's because if you play decker with datajack installed stats will show Essence 5 for you, same as him, but he has these legs cyberware so it must be affinity thing.

Reverse-thinking: if you want be Racter's avatar of transhumanism now maximize your cyber-affinity (limited by race and Body) then load yourself with chrome until Essence drop to 1 virtually being none at all because affinity works as bonus essence. I will try it for my next playthrough.
Last edited by HenitoKisou; Sep 6, 2015 @ 10:44am
Anachronda Sep 6, 2015 @ 3:02pm 
Originally posted by a basic ♥♥♥♥♥:
Originally posted by Fenrir:

Nah, I don't agree with him, I just think he's well written, even if his point of views go against what I believe, actually, that's the first time I've read about such an argument, most people simply think he's creepy.

He is literally parroting the creepy bits of serial killer manifestos, interspersed with science fiction concepts that have been written about over and over and over since the 1960s. If you have any interest in transhumanism, its a concept much written about.

He is a well written version of that archetype and those ideas, but the fact that you reference his 'point of views' rather than the complexity in his character speaks to my previous post's point.

Are you seriously calling themes of cyberpunk and transhumanism are trite and uselessly derivative for a character in a SHADOWRUN GAME? That's .. kind of what the whole game and everything in it is about. The evolution of mankind, merging with machines, all that jazz. No duh it was written about long ago, but that doesn't mean that having a character in a game about transhumanism who believes that merging with technology will be the way forward is automatically a badly written character.

As for the serial killer manifesto stuff, that's kind of BS too. Racter doesn't justify hunting people for sport because they are weak or anything like that. If anything he is remarkably restrained given his condition and life story, and he even excised his base impulses to put them into a robot. He doesn't kill for pleasure, only when he feels he has to. As a relatively amoral psychopath he has no empathy, but his killing seemed more utilitarian to me - a means to an end like every other character in the game. And I say relatively amoral because he obviously lives by certain codes and acquiesces to social convention to some degree, even stating he sees the value of other people's feelings (for instance about friendship and loyalty) even if he can't process them empathetically, only intellectually.

He didn't seem like a stock psycho/sociopath, either. He's a mad scientist, but not a simple grinning maniac bathed in blood. He never kills anyone the main character doesn't want him to kill, either. That's another issue I have with your reply. Once again "any killer or psychopath is basically a ripoff and you should feel bad for thinking it's good writing" is what I got from that, which is definitely wrong. As far as those sorts of characters go, I thought he was an interesting version. His portrayal was IMHO more true to the psychological condition as opposed to what you usually see. He becomes a sympathetic character in a way these characters almost never are barring some fairly recent examples. Actually out of those of which I am aware he is the most sympathetic psychopath character I have seen, more a tortured soul than a mindless slasher.

I thought he was a cool character and I liked the writing and character design for him. Then again, I'm one of those people who feels like the HBS Shadowrun games are very well written in general in terms of style and content. I would totally go to a movie based on Dragonfall. Playing that, I just kept being hit by that feeling "this would totally be a great movie, it would be cool if someone actually did it. The story in HK is good, too, but I think Dragonfall might be a more popular movie if it ever was made.

In any case, every character and everything ever written is derivative of something else if you are going to take it that far. Themes, archetypes, even the story structures are repeated over and over. Writing about something someone wrote about before is definitely NOT bad writing. It's called writing. Sheesh you may as well say the whole cyberpunk genre is derivative of Nietzsche and may as well be scrapped, if you're going to go that far. Then you can say Nietzsche was derivative, too, of earlier philosophical works and throw him under the bus with the rest.
Sohei Sep 6, 2015 @ 3:08pm 
He was a pretty boring character in my opinion because he simply acted based on his psychological disorder. There was no complexity, layers, or development. I could not sympathise with the character at all although I could understand him.
DaGuy Sep 6, 2015 @ 6:14pm 
Originally posted by Sohei:
He was a pretty boring character in my opinion because he simply acted based on his psychological disorder. There was no complexity, layers, or development. I could not sympathise with the character at all although I could understand him.
I thought the fact that he suffered that accident and the cyber enhancements he was given after leading him to this epiphany that if others were to become enhanced they too might shed their emotions and become "better" as he puts it was an interesting twist to the type of characters you typically see portrayed with these types of disorders. It's certainly a major theme of shadowrun, the line between human and machine.

He's not particularly murderous from what I remembered reading, he just figured being a shadowrunner fit his lack of empathy and reservations about killing, though he did say that eventually anyone who resisted his "ideal" transhumans would have to be dealt with but he didn't seem to particularly want to kill those people.

Racter's (and Gaichu to a lesser extent? I haven't not killed him yet...) also an interesting character in that he's probably more in line with the type of team you might actually run with or hire in a shadowrun game, he doesn't have any real stake in the Kowloon situation getting resolved, he's just running with you because it's convenient for the time being.

It's kind of funny how once people started some real conversations the people from the start of the thread just vanished. Basic indeed.
Tetzer Sep 6, 2015 @ 11:51pm 
Racter and Gaichu are the two companions I always found myself looking forward to continuing conversations with, and Crafty(not a companion but you get the point) and Gobbett following after. HK has some really well written characters indeed, and look forward to seeing more of them in the upcoming mini expansion.
nekopaws Sep 7, 2015 @ 12:21am 
I liked Racter as well. He got me to wonder if all scientific minds are at least mildly psychopathic. There will almost always be a moral concern for developers of new technologies. However, anybody who studies technology and develops it knows anything significant or popular will create completely unexpected possibilities. Speculating about what could be before acutally developing a technology is like chasing after shadows. Its best to spend time being a better scientist so a solution can be made as quickly or quicker than any mishap.

And Racter's suggestion that his psychopathy, an absence of empathy, could be a natural adaptation to accept augmentation was intriguing. It seems more people are in this spectrum of anti-social to social-incapable these days.

And I think he is correct that it could also be the course of human evolution. We are a violent culture. The building of empires is how the world's knowledge, technologies and other resources have managed to be collected into concentrated areas. Without empires science and technology probaly would not have progressed or come to exist.

Racter is probably the best embodiment of transhumanist thinking I have encountered in fiction so far. For one thing, he essentially become transhuman in 4 different ways. His psychopathy, his accident, the experiment and through his drone. Essentially birth, fate, force and choice. I wanted to say I would support him but settled to say I would not get in his way because I played as a shaman who never got any augmentations.

Overall, I think Racter is a decent character. He is a realist. I am sure plenty of us here eat meat or at least something alive. Either way most of us buy it from the store already dead. The fact we take life to preserve our own is not lost on Racter. Maybe in real life I would not agree so much with someone like him.

And I find it funny some the first posters on here would attack Racter fans for Racter being a white male imperialist. Ok, he is a white European and is ok with murder and conquest. But the guy settles for his specific needs and does not get greedy like some people in real life that want 'ful spectrum' dominance. Racter just wants to solidify and perserve his own kind. And yeah, Hitler started out like that but by the same logic you would condemn Malcom X.

When we got his tech back he was happy and completely ok we did not get a chance to bump into his old friends and torture them. I do not regard him as evil for these desires because for Racter this tech is his progeny, 'his kids' basically.

But back to the Racter haters FYI Racter is asexual. So male, NOPE. The idea who he is comes from the gentials between his legs is weird because he has neither. My favortie title to Racter though is the achievement after your final talk with him. Racter is beyond your double standards ya haters. He is everything you claim to be and more. So go ahead pick at his 'white male' facade. If you play the game and talk to him without making all the judgemental choices he will tell you his story and give you something to think about.

And I do not see how running the shadows (to pay the bills when you are polygot/enigneer) while mantaining a lab/workshop in a ship illictly is a 'privileged' existence.
Etagloc Sep 7, 2015 @ 12:48am 
Originally posted by Fenrir:
Really, best character in the series and one of the best in any RPG.

yep I really liked him as a character, but I also really glad he isn't real :D.
Killyox Sep 7, 2015 @ 12:52am 
I found Racter and Gaichu interesting but so were other chars. Just these 2 stood out the most. It's not about what he is but how was he presented.
Killyox Sep 7, 2015 @ 12:53am 
Originally posted by HenitoKisou:
Gameplay wise base Essence is 6, Racter has two leg replacements for 1.5 each and datajack for 0.5 so that leave him with 2.5 Essence remaining. However because of being psychopath he could develop some kind of cyber affinity so he's still "feeling" (lol) like 5.5 Essence. That's because if you play decker with datajack installed stats will show Essence 5 for you, same as him, but he has these legs cyberware so it must be affinity thing.

Reverse-thinking: if you want be Racter's avatar of transhumanism now maximize your cyber-affinity (limited by race and Body) then load yourself with chrome until Essence drop to 1 virtually being none at all because affinity works as bonus essence. I will try it for my next playthrough.

He doesn't just have legs. He has everything below his chest as artificial.
Sohei Sep 7, 2015 @ 1:36pm 
Originally posted by neko:
But back to the Racter haters FYI Racter is asexual. So male, NOPE. The idea who he is comes from the gentials between his legs is weird because he has neither.

Racter is a eunuch but he is still male. Losing genitals does not cause loss of gender.

By the way in the Cyberpunk RPG they listed Mr. Studd and Midnight Lady genital replacement cyberware. I would imagine that in Shadowrun something similar would exist even though it isn't explicitly mentioned. So, I think Racter could have male genital cyberware.

Since it is Racter though perhaps he has experimented with some transhuman creations between his legs that deviate sharply from human physical norms. I don't really want to think about where that might lead.
ninjajump Sep 7, 2015 @ 2:01pm 
I really liked him right up until the point where he said psychopaths would inherit the earth and expected me to agree. The whole transhumanism bit was awesome. Naming his drone after Koschei was great. But once he started in with the "I'm better than everyone else" bit I was done.
Kain Sep 7, 2015 @ 3:28pm 
Originally posted by ninjajump:
I really liked him right up until the point where he said psychopaths would inherit the earth and expected me to agree. The whole transhumanism bit was awesome. Naming his drone after Koschei was great. But once he started in with the "I'm better than everyone else" bit I was done.
What if I told you, you don't have to agree with a character for him to be well written.
gamer2k Sep 7, 2015 @ 11:20pm 
"My name is Racter and I believe in transhumanism."

I only read a few comments and tried not to bother with the complains.

Here's my 2 cents:

Racter and Ripshot are opposites. Many have not realized it but they have similar backgrounds but different attitudes.

Ripshot wants to cling to his essence despite his condition. Racter wants to achieve transhuman status.

Racter revealed a few moments ago his psycopathy and I don't consider his lack of empathy a bad thing. That doesn't make him less human.

The need to rise up, to overcome the limitations that were imposed you; to improve your social-economic condition; to be the best. Those are things we all feel in different places in a "spectrum". ;)

Ambition is a very human thing. Racter is far from a monster right now.

"My name is Daniel Lugo and I believe in fitness."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rA64dwSFzic
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