Why has Female characters become a big deal?

[Jack Reaver]

For ♥♥♥♥s sake, you don't see people complain about Mirrors Edge, Tomb Raider, Portal, certain final fantasy games, and a huge influx of indie games and yet I see people on Xcom ♥♥♥♥ing 2 complaning there are two king aliens and one queen alien. I was thinking they were going to complain that the only queen was the most violent and disturbing monstosity not that they want more female monstosities!
Christ sake is this what we accept as valid criticism?
This is an annoying trend and I hope it dies out.
This ♥♥♥♥'s edgy and rediculous.

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Originalmente postado por --s..Lich..s--:

I don't think it matters this argument because the story they thought of might be for specifically a white male.

In the customization video they show the character does not have to be white. [/quote]

That could possibly weaken the argument it has to be male simply because it's expanding to include other races now. A white man and woman share more in common than a black man and white man.

[Mile]

CAUSE FAN BOYS WANNA WACK THEIR PEENEES TO 3D BAJANGAS!!!!

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Originalmente postado por Jack Reaver:

For ♥♥♥♥s sake, you don't see people complain about Mirrors Edge, Tomb Raider, Portal, certain final fantasy games, and a huge influx of indie games and yet I see people on Xcom ♥♥♥♥ing 2 complaning there are two king aliens and one queen alien. I was thinking they were going to complain that the only queen was the most violent and disturbing monstosity not that they want more female monstosities!
Christ sake is this what we accept as valid criticism?
This is an annoying trend and I hope it dies out.
This ♥♥♥♥'s edgy and rediculous.

don't think about it too much. its already too late.. the stuff gets weirder with every other year.
just enjoy the free entertainment that topics like that give you.

[☢︎Noob☢]

It`s called representation, dumb ass... and yeah YOU DO HEAR MEN COMPLAINING ABOUT THE LACK OF MALE CHARACTERS IN THE EXACT GAMES YOU MENTIONED!

You just don`t hear about it because there are too many games with main male characters so people just jump to the next game instead of making a big deal out of it.

[☢︎Noob☢]

Originalmente postado por Jack Reaver:

Originalmente postado por PenguinHD:

It`s called representation, dumb ass... and yeah YOU DO HEAR MEN COMPLAINING ABOUT THE LACK OF MALE CHARACTERS IN THE EXACT GAMES YOU MENTIONED!

You just don`t hear about it because there are too many games with main male characters so people just jump to the next game instead of making a big deal out of it.

Yes but do these same men play these games with female protagonists, yes. Do they complain they are female? No. I know a lot of female gamers and none of them give a ♥♥♥♥ about it.
Lack of representation my ass I can list plenty of games that have female characters.
The main post puts out examples "For ♥♥♥♥s sake, you don't see people complain about Mirrors Edge, Tomb Raider, Portal, certain final fantasy games, and a huge influx of indie games" and when I say huge I mean HUGE. There are many more AAA games then I listed in that pile.
If you really want to try me I could read through the games that I own that allow you to play as a female.

lol okay I`m sorry but it`s easy to say "lack of representation my ass" when you are represented by 99% of the games that come out every year. Also, try asking your female friends if they`d like more well made and written games with female main characters. I`m not talking about changing the sex of an already existing male character or making a half assed story just to have a game with a woman as a lead. i`m talking about a full blockbuster like game. Also, try discussing stuff like feminism (regardless of what you think and your personal feelings about it) and their vision of the gaming industry. I have female gamer friends too and I have taken time to actually hear them in details and I gotta tell you, I didn`t hear many positive things.

You gotta open your mind and get out of of your cozy place of comfort and when I say "you" I mean men in general, not you specifically

[☢︎Noob☢]

Originalmente postado por Jack Reaver:

Originalmente postado por PenguinHD:

lol okay I`m sorry but it`s easy to say "lack of representation my ass" when you are represented by 99% of the games that come out every year. Also, try asking your female friends if they`d like more well made and written games with female main characters. I`m not talking about changing the sex of an already existing male character or making a half assed story just to have a game with a woman as a lead. i`m talking about a full blockbuster like game. Also, try discussing stuff like feminism (regardless of what you think and your personal feelings about it) and their vision of the gaming industry. I have female gamer friends too and I have taken time to actually hear them in details and I gotta tell you, I didn`t hear many positive things.

That once again goes back to those gamesI mentioned earlier. I can only think of a few games with a good story and main male character as well, Witcher, Dishonored, Metal Gear, Shadow of Mordor. That's really all I can think of as a specifically only male games that have nice stories. I can't think of many good games like what you are asking for either gender. 99% of games in the year ey?
Large games
2014 -Male and Female - Dark Souls 2, The Elder Scrolls Online, Mario Cart, Destiny, Wastelands 2, Pokemon, Grand Theft Auto V, Sunset Overdrive, Hyrule Warriors, Borderlands the Pre-Sequel,
-Female - Assassin's Creed Liberation, Alien Isolation, The Legend of Korra, Bayonetta,
-Male- Thief, Metal Gear Solid Ground Zero, (Multiple Assassin Creed games[might have females I usually stay away from those] I'd say 2 all together) Wolfenstein, Watch Dogs, Sniper Elite, Evil Within, Far Cry 4

Alright all together I think male charactered games may outnumber female games just a little and this was before people started complaining about it, and games that allow both genders outnumbers that, yeah I really have been outnumbering you a lot haven't I? This was at least a year before the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ over it got really got big so I don't imagine it got worst.
This isn't all the games for both male and females and anything between I just got sick of slowly looking through a list of games I avoided during their release and having double check them through the search, I got rid of at least 7.
This is far from all the games out there but there is really only so much I can do. Anyways that's just games from big publishers for the most part in 2014 which I can agree doesn't make as many female characters but it's far from completely excluding the female community. There tons of games I know from smaller devs with both females and males and full customzation.
Also
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXMoLCA3GQ4

The game industry doesn`t exclude the female community but it`s also far from keeping it in equal grounds when compared to the male one. I mean, we wouldn`t have so many non-happy gamer girls if that was the case. Luckily now we have the independent and mid market being able to cover some of the ground that the big companies don`t because they don`t wanna risk their money by making female leads. Only a few ones do that, like Crystal Dynamics, for example and the Tomb Raider franchise, but it`s very common to see western AAA companies only adding a female main cgaracter if she co-leads with a male character that is on enqual grounds with her.

The problem starts when a woman comes to a gaming community and complains because she doesn`t feel represented and a horde of men (and sometimes even women) bash on her she tried to project her voice. Now I`m far from being able to speak from a woman and I can only talk about what I`m able to see and interpretate on my own, but if even guys can notice that, maybe something is in fact wrong.

The whole problem with this one game in specific was the character customization system which basically tells people that the person that the main character is doesn`t really matter since you mold both his appearance and his actions. So why not the possibility of a female option? I mean you`re just a normal army like dude. They didn`t even make any effort to show a personality of his own in the trailers. You see my point?

[X41823T]

Ask the following people: "Big Red", Anita Sardouche, Zoe Quinn, Lacy Green(?), any "female" with blue/red hair and nosering(s), Killary (also known as Hillary), Barbara streisand, Virtually every "feminist" today and every deadbeat, self-loathing, desparate for sex "males" who'll tell you that women only get paid 77 cents on the dollar(?????) virtue signaling so they can only begin to HOPE to sleep with ugly, unattractive, fat, pig-sows who'll tell you that you can't "fat shame" them.

Alas ultimately it all boils down to; Eat sh*t you f*cking inbreds who 'evidently' only bother to purchase a product where there's male/female protagonists. (lololol I put the male before the female, deal with it degenerates! )

For someone who'll probably say they aren't sexist by DEMANDING a male/female protagonist, sounds like they are in fact the SEXIST in that they don't want to play a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ VIDEO GAME where you don't get to play as a female protagonist.

Oh and in case all of the above is beyond your comprehension which probably is the case, eat sh*t and die please and while you're at it pour some chlorine into that sad excuse you'd call your "genepool", no need to bring in more degenerates into an already bleak and ♥♥♥♥♥♥ world thanks to your 'ilk'.
Then again perhaps y'all be hanging yourselves when you realize that canada is the new sovjet union gulag and that you'll be left with staying in europe/US or move to Africa or some muslim sharia zone in the ghetto somewhere in europe, Africans will resent you and rape you if not outright kill you, the goathumpers in the sharia ghetto will just behead you and call it the will of that pedophile in the sky they worship several times a day.

Personally I hope y'all end up in the asylums for life so y'all can have 'em safe spaces at long LONG last with 'em jackets where the buttons are on the back, although I wouldn't bother to make it PADDED rooms since frankly I wouldn't stop anyone from bashing their skull in against the walls, money saved that can be spent to restore western society after 4 decades of corrupt, libtarded, DISGUSTING deceitful goverment.

#RemoveKebab #Trump2016 #UKOutOfTheEU #TheCrusadesBeginAgain2017 #ReopenTheAsylumsAndFillThemUpWithTheLibtards

Oh and in case y'all didn't bother to look it up, Trump got all 'em delegates now so he'll totally be runnin' against KILLARY and f*cking destroy her without even as much as putting up a sweat, besides Obama is seemingly gonna stab her in her c*nt before his time's up! :D
Only good thing Obama would ever have done in his 8 YEARS of HORRID presidency, RACISM WAS NEVER AS RAMPANT AS TODAY BEFORE F*CKING OBAMA CAME TO POWER!!!!!!

[Swimmies]

Hopefully everyone complaining about lack of female protagonists has boycotted the following games as well:

1. Every single game in the Witcher series
2. All Assassins Creeds titles except Syndicate and that sh*tty handheld one.
3. Every Grand Theft Auto title.
4. All Farcry games.
5. All Metal Gear games
6. Dying Light
7. Metro 2033 and Last Light
8. Dishonored
9. LA Noire

If not then you are a filthy disingenuous hypocrite up there with Anita Sarkeesian and all those other idiots.

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Originalmente postado por Swimmies:

Hopefully everyone complaining about lack of female protagonists has boycotted the following games as well:

1. Every single game in the Witcher series
2. All Assassins Creeds titles except Syndicate and that sh*tty handheld one.
3. Every Grand Theft Auto title.
4. All Farcry games.
5. All Metal Gear games
6. Dying Light
7. Metro 2033 and Last Light
8. Dishonored
9. LA Noire

If not then you are a filthy disingenuous hypocrite up there with Anita Sarkeesian and all those other idiots.

Yeah because having an opinion about something and discussing it to bring attention to it means you have to boycott 85% of the games that have male protagonists. And most or even all of those games don't have a character creation. GTA V Online does though and you can create female characters. But keep up the attacking people with different opinions and telling people to not buy them or boycott them because of your small minded agenda, it will really work out great for the sales of those games. Who doesn't want people on their game forum telling people to boycott their game?

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Originalmente postado por Jack Reaver:

Originalmente postado por Paradox:

Yeah because having an opinion about something and discussing it to bring attention to it means you have to boycott 85% of the games that have male protagonists. And most or even all of those games don't have a character creation. GTA V Online does though and you can create female characters. But keep up the attacking people with different opinions and telling people to not buy them or boycott them because of your small minded agenda, it will really work out great for the sales of those games. Who doesn't want people on their game forum telling people to boycott their game?

"female protagonists", as a very stupid COD player once said, "is you dumb or is you dumb?"
Also yes, you do if you complain about male characters, it's like trash talking alcoholics while chuging down a bottle of vodka.
I thought that about GTA V but in no way is our character a Protagonist. He has no story what-so-ever.

So people who want female option shouldn't play any game with a male protagonist. What BS. And you say "is you dumb"? Your anology about alcohol is pretty dumb and has no relation whatsoever to the subject. You should really work on coming up with a better analogy if you want to try to use one as an argument. There is no way to draw any kind of parallel between the two.

And in GTA V they do have a story, just because it's not some linear story with an end doesn't mean they don't have one. You start off in Lamar's car, you have a car race, you steal cars for Simeon. There are loads of story missions where your character is the main character in GTA Online. It's also an open world game where you make your own story. Maybe your character has no story though, if you just run around as if it's some kind of random death match. GTA is a lot more than that to a lot of people.

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Originalmente postado por Jack Reaver:

Originalmente postado por Paradox:

So people who want female option shouldn't play any game with a male protagonist. What BS. And you say "is you dumb"? Your anology about alcohol is pretty dumb and has no relation whatsoever to the subject. You should really work on coming up with a better analogy if you want to try to use one as an argument. There is no way to draw any kind of parallel between the two.

And in GTA V they do have a story, just because it's not some linear story with an end doesn't mean they don't have one. You start off in Lamar's car, you have a car race, you steal cars for Simeon. There are loads of story missions where your character is the main character in GTA Online. It's also an open world game where you make your own story. Maybe your character has no story though, if you just run around as if it's some kind of random death match. GTA is a lot more than that to a lot of people.

Dude, these "story missions" are basically kill this do that quests" you might as well be claiming Five Nights at Freddy's has a story. Congrats you can make a story out of a side quest.
What are you talking about my anology doesn't fit? How is it wrong? If you claim something shouldn't be and you do it anyways then you're a stupid ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hypocrite and if you can't see the obvious that's your problem.
If you trash talk alcohol while drinking some you're a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hypocrite, if you trash talk games with only male protagonists while playing them, YOU ARE A ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ HYPOCRITE.
You cannot, I repeat cannot denounce the games you find entertainment in.
I don't see how that is hard to understand,
"there are too many games with male protagonists" meanwhile you are playing them all.
"there are too many brands of whiskey" meanwhile your drinking them all up.
Do I relaly need to dissect my anology just for you to understand? If I seem irritated that's because I don't like explaining something I see as perfectly understandable.

The point is the character is the main character, i.e. the protagonist, not how complex the story is.

"Worldwide, 3.3 million deaths every year result from harmful use of alcohol." - World Health Organisation. Yeah they are totally the same thing. I retract my criticism of your analogy.

Yeah because games with male protagonists is totally like a drug addiction. And playing games with male protagonists is totally hypocritical if you want more female protagonists and female options in games. Stellar logic there.

All you can do is call people stupid but you're the only one displaying an extreme case of stupidity, just like all of you people who feel the need to fight with people for having a different opinion, and have some kind of crusade against all of these people like feminsists, SJWs, etc. who take a stand and try to make changes in the world. Many similar changes that you enjoy and take for granted that were faught for, and met with similar resistance from similar small minded idiots who only seem to be able to rant and curse about other peoples opinions.

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Originalmente postado por Jack Reaver:

If I wanted change I would make it, not rant about it on the internet.
Starting with not associating myself with the group that exposed "Strategic Butt Coverings"

Have you ever heard of people infiltrating and hijacking movements to discredit them? So that people like you can then bring them up when it's convenient? And isn't it interesting that you know more about that "feminist" than I do, who is not "the group" but one person with their own personal ideas and opinions, who may share an idea about equality of the sexes?

And about insults, you're the one that started with the "dumb" "stupid" insults, and then whine about insults when you get some back?

People want female options in games. It's as simple as that. You might not want them, but people have a right to their opinions, and to share those opinions. They have a right to complain about there being too many male protagonists, because there are. You are just complaining about complainers, which contributes nothing constructive. People who complain about there being too many male protagonists are being constructive because they want games to have more options so that more people can enjoy them. You don't have to understand why some people would rather play one gender over the other, you just have to know that some do, and they have a right to share that with others in the hope that things will change, that people who agree will share their opinions also, and maybe game developers will get the message.

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There were many more games than that released in 2014. I stated some numbers in my first post in this thread that I got from a news article.

Female gamers make up about over 50% of gamers, which some may attribute to mobile games, but excluding mobile games make up at least a third of gamers, and yet female protagonists are 15% of the market and those games recieved 50% of the marketing budget than male protagonist games.

Mass Effect, Knights of the Old Republic, Fallout, Elder Scrolls, etc. have male and female options. I'm not saying every game has to have the option, some games may need to have a single gender as the main character if there is some important reason for that in the story, that's fine, but it wasn't a problem for those games, and I don't really know a whole lot about this game in particular to know if that's the case, but this is a topic here and I am sharing my opinion about it. I enjoy games more with a female protagonist. I enjoy games more when I can create a female character with detailed character creation. There are a lot of people like me, as can be seen from the threads in this forum and forums all over the internet and videos on youtube, and it's not some niche. If they don't get the message that people want options then that's their loss.

The more people jump down the throats of people who have valid concerns and opinions, the more people will be driven away from purchasing this game. They (the developers) don't need people making things worse by name calling and telling people to just not buy the game or boycott them, because then they will just form a misdirected negative opinion of the game and developers, based on some peoples crusade against "feminism" and inability to accept the opinions of others. And by the way, many people do know how to make games, create beautiful worlds, stories and characters, and they have opinions about gender options in games just the same.

[kaay]

Nothing wrong with wanting to play female characters in games, but when you start putting down games that dont offer a gender select option, thats when you start being very wrong.
You Paradox complain about people who "jump down the throats" of people who have "valid" concerns and opinions....thats pure BS in my opinion.
Its you guys with your so-called valid concerns and opinions who actually jump down the throats of every game that dares not offer the option to play as a female.
I never heard any complaints about Lightning Returns and other games that feature a female only protagonist.
If you can not understand why some games can NOT offer a gender selection because of their story and because of the vision of the artists that created these games...then you deserve the insults and ridicule coming at you.

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Originalmente postado por kaay:

Nothing wrong with wanting to play female characters in games, but when you start putting down games that dont offer a gender select option, thats when you start being very wrong.
You Paradox complain about people who "jump down the throats" of people who have "valid" concerns and opinions....thats pure BS in my opinion.
Its you guys with your so-called valid concerns and opinions who actually jump down the throats of every game that dares not offer the option to play as a female.
I never heard any complaints about Lightning Returns and other games that feature a female only protagonist.
If you can not understand why some games can NOT offer a gender selection because of their story and because of the vision of the artists that created these games...then you deserve the insults and ridicule coming at you.

It's interesting that it was mentioned it was because of budget concerns, or something like that rather than some artistic vision and story. I don't know it was something someone said in another thread. And in quite a few of my posts that you apparently didn't even read I said

Sure there doesn't need to be a male and female option in every game, but that is what a lot of people want, and they have every right to communicate that and discuss it and let the developers know that it's something that matters to a lot of people.

I'm not saying every game has to have the option, some games may need to have a single gender as the main character if there is some important reason for that in the story, that's fine, but it wasn't a problem for those games, and I don't really know a whole lot about this game in particular to know if that's the case, but this is a topic here and I am sharing my opinion about it.

So perhaps it is you that deserves some obligatory insult, but I will refrain.