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Is this Gamethrowing or is it breaking any rule at all?
So I've started using a strategy that seems to work VERY well. Only once has it blown up in my face and even then I still won the game. I've played more than 10 games using this strategy with some minor changes here and there but I've found one that I'm sticking too. I have an 80-90% win rate so far, even if I am killed.

So here it goes:


I started keeping a notepad open with this on it so that i can Copy/Paste into lobby chat before/after picking a name:

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"Hang me or I help Mafia/SK/Exe/Jester." If someone asks why I want that I just tell them, "I just want to grind out games to play ranked (which really it's true) with my friends.)
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If someone asks why I want that I just tell them, "I just want to grind out games to play ranked (which really it's true) with my friends."
The strategy is that, hopefully, no matter what role I am, I will be the least likely to be killed. I also keep this on my notepad since the time it blew up in my face happened:

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"It isn't Gamethrowing because:
I still did my role and put in my will what I did for Town to see.
Evils won't kill me if I'm Town.
Mafia won't kill me if I'm SK.
Sk won't kill me if I'm Mafia.
If I'm Jester I can get hung easier.
Jesters and posibbly Executioners are more likely to help me.
The only Role this strategy will hurt my team is if I'm the Exectutioner and then I can only hurt myself."
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NOTE: Even though I claim to help the Evils if I'm not hung, I sitll preform my role and take notes in my Last Will!

In the only time this backfired, I played a Townie (I forget which role) and day 1 or 2 someone said, "Hang him no matter his role for what he said." more or less. I tried to defend my strategy but I was hung and then the person that wanted me hung in the first place ran a witch hunt to have everyone report me. I even continued to explain myself further to this person when they died

From what I can tell by reading the rules supplied in these forums, I am breaking no rule.

There is a rule about helping out faction not your own: "Saying that they are siding with a faction against their win conditions (without a strategic reason)." Which as I have stated, I do have a strategic reason for doing so. This isn't actually under "Gamethrowing" either. It's under "Borderline Gamethrowing" meaning that it could or could not be considered Gamethrowing.

So is this Gamethrowing or is having a reason for using this strat the condition for it to NOT be Gamethrowing?


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EDIT: BTW so far on this account I have W:22 L:9 D:1 That's only what I've got on my account NOT how many games I've played with this strat.

EDIT 2: I've started to keep count of the games I play doing this and tallying my wins/losses and also putting down what made us lose the game. Also, so far I have only been killed on the first night once which did sort of make us lose the game. I was Vig and there was a second Vig. SK killed me and Mafia killed Vig2 on N1. Although in my defense, two Vigs is a good way to get a one of us shot by the other and then that Vig guilt suicide so that could have saved some headache in the long run.
Last edited by KingPopinLockin; Jan 18 @ 8:18am
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Well as a townie getting yourself on purpose hung D2, D3, and D4 is usually going to hurt your team a lot. It's basically one less day Mafia has to kill. An exception might be if you are Vigilante who got witched or if you are at risk of a Janitor cleaning your infomation (or just being blackmailed indefinatly). Later in the game you might have some proof and are in deadlock with someone who is lying and accuses you of being the liar. If either party gets hanged, the liar is revealed, so the liar is going to die soon unless the town just lost its majority. However if you say "hang me no matter what role I am" in the lobby/ name chosing screen but stop asking to be hanged once you are in public day chat, I'm pretty sure you're fine.

I'm not sold on it helping if you're SK since a lot of Mafia in practice mode don't seem to realize attacking the SK and the Spy outing him as immune is a quick way to help the town.

I'm also not sold on it's ok to use a loser tactic as Executioner becuase you only hurt yuorself. I mean, if it was the case then reporting Executioners for leaving early would be sill and unwanted right? That said, it might not be that losing since someone might think you are a Jester which helps your longevity if Jailor is dead.

Also if you get hanged and leave the game, it counts as a loss even if your team wins. Since you need to stay the whole game, might as well live right?

Edit: I'm not the authority and not making it a call on if it's gamethrowing or not, I just don't think this is a great idea.
Last edited by tiberiansun371alexw; Jan 18 @ 6:57am
Originally posted by tiberiansun371alexw:
Well as a townie getting yourself on purpose hung D2, D3, and D4 is usually going to hurt your team a lot. It's basically one less day Mafia has to kill. An exception might be if you are Vigilante who got witched or if you are at risk of a Janitor cleaning your infomation (or just being blackmailed indefinatly). Later in the game you might have some proof and are in deadlock with someone who is lying and accuses you of being the liar. If either party gets hanged, the liar is revealed, so the liar is going to die soon unless the town just lost its majority. However if you say "hang me no matter what role I am" in the lobby/ name chosing screen but stop asking to be hanged once you are in public day chat, I'm pretty sure you're fine.

I'm not sold on it helping if you're SK since a lot of Mafia in practice mode don't seem to realize attacking the SK and the Spy outing him as immune is a quick way to help the town.

I'm also not sold on it's ok to use a loser tactic as Executioner becuase you only hurt yuorself. I mean, if it was the case then reporting Executioners for leaving early would be sill and unwanted right? That said, it might not be that losing since someone might think you are a Jester which helps your longevity if Jailor is dead.

Also if you get hanged and leave the game, it counts as a loss even if your team wins. Since you need to stay the whole game, might as well live right?

Edit: I'm not the authority and not making it a call on if it's gamethrowing or not, I just don't think this is a great idea.
Well, 9.9 times out of 10 I don't get hung anyway. its only happened once and that was the time the guy ran a witch hunt on me. Nothing would have happened if he hadn't done that and I beleive he was in the wrong there. So this doesn't really hurt me as Exe. Also if you think someone is a *any role at all really* for what they say in lobby during the pick your name phase then you might be playing the game wrong.

I'm also not leaving the games, if I die early I tell the medium what I know and go afk since there is nothing else I can do beside check the match and read through some wills if the medium makes it to late game since not many people actually seem to read wills of the dead.

I don't continue to ask to be hung after the game starts. I only say it in waiting lobby to check for any immediately toxic replies and then in name choosing phase just in case people don't realize which one wanted to be hung in the first place or wasn't in the lobby to see my message.

Unless I'm Jester, THEN I'll keep asking to be hung and most of the time Evils don't kill me because they'll think I'll help. at that point I do risk running into the Jailor but I can try and convince him to not kill a town (me faking it) or he'll risk losing his other executes or that he'll be wasting one on me and risks someone reporting him instead, not that the jailor would be at fault here.

I'm also only doing this in classic mode if that isn't clear, just so everyone knows I'm not doing this in ranked. Although if I continue to win this much I just might. Before coming back to check this I won as GF in a match where both the other Mafia roles were killed on the 2nd nigh, one by Jailor and one by SK. Everyone was so salty HAHA!

EDIT: also, if people think I'm a target to be killed then they need to have the doc/lookout on me.
Last edited by KingPopinLockin; Jan 18 @ 7:54am
I really can't say if it's gamethrowing or not. You would need to ask a higher authority in regards to that. However this is certainly meta-gaming and as a result is considered a very shady tactic. It kinda falls into the same realm as jailors asking you to type out your role card or they exe you. It's extremely frowned upon and it's also the kind of statement that more experienced players will disregard. If anything I feel like at higher ranks this will either do nothing, or get you shot by a vig or exed by the jailor. In general I would advise against this because even if it isn't technically gamethrowing it's a gray area in the rules and will have a tendency to ruin games because meta-gaming tactics are super shady.
Daphne Jan 19 @ 10:59pm 
That's somewhat of exploiting the rules. That is like back when Jailors would ask town to type out letters of there job. You would find people like me that just had them all on a pad tho as mafia so I would get easier wins for Jailors that did this.
Well so far it seems that the community believes that this tactic may not be breaking the rules but is shady and considered exploiting the rules. I understand this is frowned upon but as long as I'm winning and not deliberately helping Evils or anything I should be fine.

I will try to see if some authority can tell me if I can be banned for this.
Asking to be hanged can be considered gamethrowing, because it indicates you want to be hanged. Whether it's true or not is besides the point.

While it's not a black and white case of gamethrowing, it is definitely borderline and should you get reported for it, there always -is- a chance of getting suspended for it, if the reports come in often enough.

All in all, I recommend against using this strategy.
Daphne Jan 20 @ 12:23pm 
Yeah, you can get reported by some Jailors as some will just assume your a Jester and kill you, or a Vig. Some people don't really have the patience for that strategy imo. I had that happen the other day with a revelaed Mayor even. Town of Salem has taught me to be honest as Town as I get more wins that way. Any lying or what not as Town I tend to lose more. It's not worth the hassle as a Town member. Anyways that's my two cents.
Last edited by Daphne; Jan 20 @ 12:23pm
Originally posted by Daphney:
Yeah, you can get reported by some Jailors as some will just assume your a Jester and kill you, or a Vig. Some people don't really have the patience for that strategy imo. I had that happen the other day with a revelaed Mayor even. Town of Salem has taught me to be honest as Town as I get more wins that way. Any lying or what not as Town I tend to lose more. It's not worth the hassle as a Town member. Anyways that's my two cents.
Well lying as town is just not recommended at all and even lying and saying you are a different town roll than you are is actually against the rules. I still have yet to have anyone run another witch hunt against me and i've only died on the first night once using this so far. I guess I'll keep doing it as long as it continues to win me some games but honestly people should be assuming that I'm a Vet baiting more than anything.
There are three main aspects that make your strategy actively hinder town, thereby playing against town's win condition, thereby being gamethrowing.

1. "Even though I claim to help the Evils if I'm not hung, I sitll preform my role and take notes in my Last Will!"

Depends on what you mean "I still perform my role". Do you take back what you said and post will results if you've found incontrovertible proof that someone is an evil role that needs to be lynched? Taking notes in your last will is not enough.

2. Your long will explaining how you're not gamethrowing

That uses up a lot of space. That might take up the majority of your will, and even if you can put in your results as well, it will be distracting. Your last will should be important info for town. Results, role lists, and stuff like that. If you're taking up your will just to explain you're not gamethrowing, then you're not helping town.

3. It raises suspicion on you

Have you not encountered jailors? Jailors would be dumb not to execute you, they're not going to buy your "it's my strategy" explanation. You raise too much suspicion on yourself too early, throwing town off. What if a vig shoots you? 2 town dead. What if a jailor executes you? 1 town dead, jailor can't execute, lost a night. Etc.

You are playing as if you're playing a role that wants to die or get executed, not help town.

4. You might actually convince the town

If your intention is and you are successful in convincing the town that you meant what you said, then you've just thrown the game. It would require metagaming/cheating to actually believe you when you're actively and demonstrably working against town. So then you've wasted a town role; it's as bad or perhaps worse to just being actually-AFK all game.

Don't get me wrong, lying to town is OK only if it's to help town. I've pretended Witch or Jester in the past just to avoid mafia killing me or whatever.

But as town you should try to implement strategies that help town win. This strategy will not help town win since the vast majority of time, lying to town is detrimental.
If you were town I'd report it.
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