Guild of Dungeoneering

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GPIA Jul 17, 2015 @ 1:19pm
Is the dev blocking The Framerate Police 30fps curator?
If so, why? It's not really a huge deal for a game such as this one. Why go out of your way to block the curator that is trying to offer a service to the customers?

I can't imagine any potential purchases for this particular game being swayed by the curator.

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Myll_Erik  [developer] Jul 17, 2015 @ 1:40pm 
Removed it initially as Steam Curators are meant to recommend games - not just post the comment "Locked at 30 FPS".

However after being spammed/threatened/warned/etc - we added it back to our list of curators.

FYI - Yes, the game locks at 30FPS but largely has no impact on Guild of Dungeoneering.
PiscoT Jul 17, 2015 @ 1:50pm 
That was ♥♥♥♥ing stupid.
Myll_Erik  [developer] Jul 17, 2015 @ 1:53pm 
Well - frankly, it's the internet and we have better things to do than deal with it. (Such as patching the game)

We've never tried to hide the fact that weare 30FPS, it's just that Steam Currators are meant to Recommend games to users and the fact that the only Comment from that partiuclar curator was "Locked at 30fps" didn't seem very helpful especially when it largely doesn't affect Guild of Dungeoneering.

TL:DR - We're locked at 30 FPS - we'd rather focus on the patch/update

Apologies if anyone didn't know we were locked at 30 FPS.
Last edited by Myll_Erik; Jul 17, 2015 @ 1:55pm
Antrix Jul 17, 2015 @ 2:07pm 
Unfortunately, steam decided to remove tags like "30fps" so the curator is used instead. Its not always meant as a negative thing, just a way of letting people know.

Stupid that people made threats about it though. Thats low.
Last edited by Antrix; Jul 17, 2015 @ 2:09pm
Surkey Jul 17, 2015 @ 2:14pm 
I see the curator thing as a buyer's guide, I follow the 30FPS curator because it's an objective fact that helps me make a more informed purchase. If 30fps/60fps locked games were required by Valve to mentioned their frame locks the curator would not be needed.
Yuanqing Jul 17, 2015 @ 2:15pm 
Originally posted by Myll_Erik:
it's just that Steam Currators are meant to Recommend games to users and the fact that the only Comment from that partiuclar curator was "Locked at 30fps" didn't seem very helpful especially when it largely doesn't affect Guild of Dungeoneering.

It the perfect world that would be ideal. However people have tried other way to do it, for example the "user-generated" tags. But it's always the most useful tags that got removed. Review will need people to buy the game first and IIRC reviews get removed when you refund the game too.

So right now curators is the most visible way to inform consumers about certain things unfortunately.
Aseitic Jul 17, 2015 @ 2:17pm 
@Myll_Erik - Purely informational. You're the one who said that 30 FPS is bad :))
Dark Ethereal Jul 17, 2015 @ 2:17pm 
Myll_Erik, IDK if you've noticed but a number of curators are actually about some very particular subject and use the curator system in much the same way as this one does.

The Oculus Rift compatability curator, for instance, simply posts the compatability info of the games it curates in it's reviews.

What Valve expected the Curator system to be used for and what it SHOULD be used for are two different things. If people find a curator like this useful (and it's the 16th most subscribed curator, so they probably do), then clearly it has some use and value to the consumer, which is exactly what the curator system was created for: aiding the consumer.
☣BaconCatBug☣ Jul 17, 2015 @ 2:18pm 
Originally posted by Myll_Erik:
Removed it initially as Steam Curators are meant to recommend games - not just post the comment "Locked at 30 FPS".

However after being spammed/threatened/warned/etc - we added it back to our list of curators.

FYI - Yes, the game locks at 30FPS but largely has no impact on Guild of Dungeoneering.
Keep trying to pass the blame. You are the ones that censored it, not the public. Fun fact: The list is 100% objective. All it states is that it is at 30fps. If for some reason you feel that being labeled at 30 FPS is bad, then don't make it 30 fps!
Clord Jul 17, 2015 @ 2:21pm 
Originally posted by Dark Ethereal:
Myll_Erik, IDK if you've noticed but a number of curators are actually about some very particular subject and use the curator system in much the same way as this one does.

The Oculus Rift compatability curator, for instance, simply posts the compatability info of the games it curates in it's reviews.

What Valve expected the Curator system to be used for and what it SHOULD be used for are two different things. If people find a curator like this useful (and it's the 16th most subscribed curator, so they probably do), then clearly it has some use and value to the consumer, which is exactly what the curator system was created for: aiding the consumer.

Expect those curators try to promote games that support something, not warn against buying them (I know the group's intention is not to discourage sales but not everyone will research what the group is a bout in more detail.)
Last edited by Clord; Jul 17, 2015 @ 2:24pm
TwilightDusk Jul 17, 2015 @ 2:21pm 
Originally posted by BaconCatBug™:
Originally posted by Myll_Erik:
Removed it initially as Steam Curators are meant to recommend games - not just post the comment "Locked at 30 FPS".

However after being spammed/threatened/warned/etc - we added it back to our list of curators.

FYI - Yes, the game locks at 30FPS but largely has no impact on Guild of Dungeoneering.
Keep trying to pass the blame. You are the ones that censored it, not the public. Fun fact: The list is 100% objective. All it states is that it is at 30fps. If for some reason you feel that being labeled at 30 FPS is bad, then don't make it 30 fps!

It sounds less like deliberate censorship, and more that they weren't aware of what the group was, figured "This doesn't seem like a proper recommendation" and blocked it, same as they would if some group went around recommending games with comments like "Buts lol."
Myll_Erik  [developer] Jul 17, 2015 @ 2:23pm 
We're not hiding the fact that we're 30 FPS - just didn't seem that the Steam Currator that was listed wasn't an actual review or helpful as the only comment was "Locked at 30 FPS" .

Apologies if removing that steam curator offended you all. We've since added it back and we'd really like to move on to making the game better.
Last edited by Myll_Erik; Jul 17, 2015 @ 2:24pm
M E G A D E T H Jul 17, 2015 @ 2:23pm 
"""We've never tried to hide the fact that weare 30FPS, it's just that Steam Currators are meant to Recommend games to users and the fact that the only Comment from that partiuclar curator was "Locked at 30fps" didn't seem very helpful especially when it largely doesn't affect Guild of Dungeoneering.""""

WE ARE NOT FOOLED!!!!! don't be coy. you know and I know that having it show up locked at 30 FPS might hurt your sales which is why you initially got rid of it. doing gamers a favor by removing it?? lolzzz.
sighnoceros Jul 17, 2015 @ 2:24pm 
This is not censorship you people crying are idiots.
Sordid Jul 17, 2015 @ 2:33pm 
Originally posted by Myll_Erik:
Apologies if removing that steam curator offended you all. We've since added it back and we'd really like to move on to making the game better.

You can make the game better by making it run at 60 fps.

You can make your PR better by not lying to your customers about why you did what you did. "30 fps lock" is a valid piece of information about the game. Do you provide that information anywhere in the game's description on the store page? No. No, you do not. So you have no damn business removing the curator that does your job for you and provides this information that you fail to provide yourselves. You may think the fact that the game runs at 30 fps isn't important, but quite frankly that's a call that we, the consumers, are going to make, thank you very much.
Last edited by Sordid; Jul 17, 2015 @ 2:45pm
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