Microsoft Flight Simulator X: Steam Edition

Microsoft Flight Simulator X: Steam Edition

Useless Git Jan 12, 2019 @ 6:39pm
Best AI Traffic for FSX: SE
I'm searching the web for the impressive AI Traffic to replace the default ones in my game. I don't know which ones to choose and I'd like any up-to-date and recommended addon for FSX: SE.

Suggestions I'd like to see:

- Airlines:
Retro: (Pan Am, TWA, Eastern)
Major: (Lufthansa, Qantas, British)

- Popular Aircraft:
Modern: (Airbus, Boeing, Bombadier, ATR)
Retro: (DC-10, 747, Concorde)

- HQ models
- Real flightplanning

These are all things I'd like see come out of a AI Traffic addon. I'd like to see yours suggestions on which addon is better. That is all and thank you!
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JJ FSX Jan 12, 2019 @ 7:14pm 
I can tell you this: I recently installed every single FSX compatible AI package from WOAI, the most comprensive and longest running AI provider) and as long as you don't want to use DX10 mode they are great and have most of what you want (no concord).

But if you have patched FSX's DX10 mode, (no longer just a preview mode) and prefer to run in DX10 mode, you will find that many of the models, (though converted from FS2004 to FSX) are still only DX9 mode compatible and so they will be all white in DX10 mode.

Alpha India Group (that provided some of the aircraft in WOAI) has branched off and is now making their own AI packages (hopefully with all native FSX models). Look them up on the internet if your interested.

And another option is to create your own AI flight plans with AI Flight Planner using the AI models you get from WOAI or Alpha India Group or FAIB or other AI model creators. I think you can even use non AI models but they are not efficient for good frame rates and is discouraged.
mmayroad Jan 13, 2019 @ 4:12pm 
Traffic 360 will suit most of your requirements
Useless Git Jan 13, 2019 @ 4:25pm 
Originally posted by mmayroad:
Traffic 360 will suit most of your requirements
Unfortunately, it's been discontinued from Just Flight.
Last edited by Useless Git; Jan 13, 2019 @ 4:28pm
Morag Jan 13, 2019 @ 4:46pm 
Originally posted by Useless Git:
Originally posted by mmayroad:
Traffic 360 will suit most of your requirements
Unfortunately, it's been discontinued from Just Flight.

they've replaced it with traffic global I think it's called, it's in early access.

I think Ultimate Traffic Live has the most realistic flight plans
3 Wire Jan 14, 2019 @ 5:19am 
Originally posted by Morag:

they've replaced it with traffic global I think it's called, it's in early access.

I think Ultimate Traffic Live has the most realistic flight plans

I tried traffic global but didn't like it. It's still in a beta stage, and I did not have much success with it at all, so I uninstalled it and went back to WOAI, and then to UTLive.....

UTLive is excellent on the other hand. It has some great features, for example you can control the amount (ie. percentage) of AI displayed while the sim is running with hot keys. Because of the way AI traffic is "injected" in to FSX, UTLive also has a minimal impact on performance.

WOAI is a good option for freeware, but each AI aircraft you install from WOAI is an individual scenery file, ie. a BGL, so if you get a bunch of these WOAI packages installed it can start to drag down performance, especially at large busy airports where there could be dozens of aircraft parked at the gates and moving about.

AIG is supposed to have a new freeware AI program that is apparently excellent, but I haven't looked in to it....


3 Wire Jan 16, 2019 @ 4:35am 
Originally posted by Erazer:

E.G. I get 76FPS with the Steam counter when FSX info is showing only 30FPS.

There's definitely something not right about that.... I could see them not being perfectly equal all the time, but not more than double the frames with one versus the other, so one of them has to be way off, or possibly both.

Your Geforce experience app has a built in frame counter, it's in the settings. Considering this is an app that's tied directly to your Nvidia graphics card it may be the the most accurate one to use.

You can also download FRAPS for free... http://www.fraps.com/faq.php#fps It's getting kind of aged, but it still works well enough.
JJ FSX Jan 16, 2019 @ 5:33am 
Originally posted by Erazer:
Originally posted by JJ FSX:
I can tell you this: I recently installed every single FSX compatible AI package from WOAI, the most comprensive and longest running AI provider) and as long as you don't want to use DX10 mode they are great and have most of what you want (no Concorde).

But if you have patched FSX's DX10 mode, (no longer just a preview mode) and prefer to run in DX10 mode, you will find that many of the models, (though converted from FS2004 to FSX) are still only DX9 mode compatible and so they will be all white in DX10 mode.

Alpha India Group (that provided some of the aircraft in WOAI) has branched off and is now making their own AI packages (hopefully with all native FSX models). Look them up on the internet if your interested.

And another option is to create your own AI flight plans with AI Flight Planner using the AI models you get from WOAI or Alpha India Group or FAIB or other AI model creators. I think you can even use non AI models but they are not efficient for good frame rates and is discouraged.

I seem to detect a gross contradiction here.

Have you now clogged up - your - system, or anyone else's with FS2004 garbo which isn't DX10 compatible?

BTW On frame rates. I find that the Steam FPS counter gives better and more stable frame rates compared to using Shift+Z on screen info.

E.G. I get 76FPS with the Steam counter when FSX info is showing only 30FPS.

Have a nice day.




Originally posted by Erazer:
Originally posted by JJ FSX:
I can tell you this: I recently installed every single FSX compatible AI package from WOAI, the most comprensive and longest running AI provider) and as long as you don't want to use DX10 mode they are great and have most of what you want (no Concorde).

But if you have patched FSX's DX10 mode, (no longer just a preview mode) and prefer to run in DX10 mode, you will find that many of the models, (though converted from FS2004 to FSX) are still only DX9 mode compatible and so they will be all white in DX10 mode.

Alpha India Group (that provided some of the aircraft in WOAI) has branched off and is now making their own AI packages (hopefully with all native FSX models). Look them up on the internet if your interested.

And another option is to create your own AI flight plans with AI Flight Planner using the AI models you get from WOAI or Alpha India Group or FAIB or other AI model creators. I think you can even use non AI models but they are not efficient for good frame rates and is discouraged.

I seem to detect a gross contradiction here.

Have you now clogged up - your - system, or anyone else's with FS2004 garbo which isn't DX10 compatible?

BTW On frame rates. I find that the Steam FPS counter gives better and more stable frame rates compared to using Shift+Z on screen info.

E.G. I get 76FPS with the Steam counter when FSX info is showing only 30FPS.

Have a nice day.
No gross contradiction, why yes I did. But not for long. Its all part of my fsx world evolution man. I'm replacing models where I can and routes I can't to use other aircraft...why?..., because I can.

If by clogging you refer to airport "clogging", its a myth that your stuck with it. We can't change it on the fly but each route within an Airliner Package contains a number associated with the traffic slider inside of fsx and you simply turn the slider up/down. When down some routes will not spawn. For example, if a routes number is 70 then it will not spawn unless the slider is above 70%. This is how those sliders function, its for when you have so many packages and so many aircraft coming into one airport if that it annoys you. But if you packages are based on real routes then hey, its reality, some airports get very busy at times. I find it exilerating sometimes just sitting and watching a busy airport come to life. From early dawn quiet to busting morning everybodies travlin today traffic!. Especially since I tweaked all of my AI aircraft with engine specific realistic sounds including spin up at take off, engine roar at rear etc. Its like being at a real airport now. I love it.

But yes, until I get all the work done, I have to run in DX9 mode if I don't want to see some white planes sprinked in with the rest. For now, seeing them is how I am identifying and replacing them.

But again for the newbies: If you only install some WOAI packages for say your favorite airliners you may get lucky and have all DX10 compatible aircraft in it, or you may get only a few DX9 only. So I say don't let that get in your way of enjoying WOAI. You can always run in DX9 mode when your flight is that "focused" on AI. They all look great then.

3 Wire Jan 16, 2019 @ 9:50am 
Originally posted by Erazer:

Did your external drive arrive yet?

Nope. Major winter storm dumped a bazillion tons of snow all over the upper midwest and northeastern USA this past weekend, so it got delayed. Supposed to get delivered tomorrow...

Question: In the unlikely event of a BSOD system crash, will these saved MR7 drive images boot your PC back up so you can restore the OS and everything else you had backed up from the last good drive image..??

I'm thinking probably not, but it's no biggie, in a scenario like the one above I will simply reinstall the OS (Windows 10 64 bit) from the factory thumb drive, and once that's done I should be able to run the restore from MR7, and hopefully get back to the last "good" state.

I wouldn't lose any sleep over frame rate counters, but given your new hardware (a GTX 1070Ti I think you said, and I forget the CPU..??) a 30 fps average seems suspiciously low to me.
I've got considerably more horsepower "under the hood" than you do, but my frames rarely drop to 30 or below with the FSX stock FPS counter, except maybe in the most intense payware add on airport scenery, like UK2000 EGLL for example. I've never tried the Steam counter, so I can't say how it performs, but I suspect it is better suited to FPS (first person shooter) and racing games than a simulation like FSX....

BTW, on the subject of "horsepower under the hood" i've ordered a new CPU (i7 9700K), and will probably get an RTX 2080Ti at some point, provided I can sell my children in to slavery (just kidding)...

But seriously..... After purchasing a new 32" BenQ 4K monitor @ 3840x2160 resolution, and the new P3D v4.4 install that includes features like PBR, I found that in those in "intense scenery" environments my hardware was a bit lacking.... As the saying goes... There's no free lunch...
3 Wire Jan 16, 2019 @ 2:35pm 
Originally posted by Erazer:

Yes, they will. Haven't seen a BSOD in many years though.

You just need to use your new USB drive together with an 8GB flash drive with the MR7 bootable recovery media installed on it. Load the MR7 recovery GUI and take it from there.

Probably already mentioned to make an image of the recovery partition in case the drive fails....

Serious performance with 3.60 GHz and a Max Turbo Frequency of 4.90 GHz

Certainly sounds impressive. You using the one monitor, or more?

I think I'm going to need a youtube tutorial or go on to the MR7 forums to get the most out of it... Or maybe read the user manual.... Now there's a thought......lol

Actually, the turbo clock on the 9700K should be able to hit 5.0 ghz on my system. My MSI mobo has a BIOS feature called "OC genie", basically a one click solution, or "overclock for dummies" that gives you a modest OC without the need to make complex (and sometimes unstable) CPU settings in the BIOS for overclocking. With this BIOS feature I have my current i7 8700K running @ 4.8 ghz turbo clock speed...

Just the one monitor in use.... Don't get me wrong, the image quality on the BenQ 4k was absolutely stunning, the trouble is, when you are trying to display more pixels at a higher resolution, even on the same screen size, there's a price to be paid performance wise... The old "no free lunch" thing unfortunately....

The BenQ has gone back in the box for the moment, at least until I sell off my kids and get a 2080Ti... lol.. With all the high end scenery, AI traffic, and aircraft add on's I had running in P3D v4.4, my hardware just wasn't quite ready for "prime time", so I'm still using my 32" HP Pavilion QHD monitor @ 2560x1440, and it's more than adequate for now....

Here is a pic of me flying very close by Mt. Godwin Austen, AKA "K2" the second highest peak on earth, in P3D v4.4 The sharp detail is pretty amazing IMHO...

https://imgur.com/xyXn9jw




Useless Git Jan 16, 2019 @ 4:56pm 
Most of these comments have nothing to do with what I'm looking for! I don't which AI Traffic addon to choose from.
3 Wire Jan 16, 2019 @ 5:07pm 
Originally posted by Useless Git:
Most of these comments have nothing to do with what I'm looking for! I don't which AI Traffic addon to choose from.


Get UTLive, and be happy... Or go the freeware route, and use WOAI, but just remember what I said above, it can drag down performance if you have a lot of their "packages" installed, especially on systems with marginal hardware specs and especially at large, busy airports.. Does that answer your question..??
Morag Jan 16, 2019 @ 5:14pm 
Originally posted by Useless Git:
Most of these comments have nothing to do with what I'm looking for! I don't which AI Traffic addon to choose from.

your options are traffic global from justflight, world of ai freeware, ultimate traffic live from flight1 and mytraffic 6 i think is the latest version.

traffic global is in early access, woai seems popular with people who use it but you need to be running FSX in Dx9 mode to run it (see posts above). mytraffic is pretty good, it can be a bit of a pig to install but gives a good variety of aircraft incluidng GA and military traffic.

ultimate traffic live works a bit different to the others, you turn ai off in the sim and UT manages it outside of FSX. as a result you get more accurate flight plans, better use of airways and slightly better performance over other traffic options.

look up some reviews but in short if you want better GA and military consider mytraffic, if you're more interested in accurate passenger jet traffic pay more attention to UT and if you want something free try WOAI, oh, and if you want to be a beta tester see JustFlight.
3 Wire Jan 16, 2019 @ 6:17pm 
Originally posted by Erazer:

Ever get close to the max with the 8700K, or more like 4.4GHz for short turbo boosts when really required?

Like the detail a lot and, whilst I understand the watermark, it is the red which is a screenshot killer for me. Sorry, and all that.....

Would like to see day and night shots over a city, at low altitude, to see the detail there.

Yep, I get 4.802 ghz on the boost clock max, but the average is more like 4.6 ghz. The 9700K should bring that up to 4.8 ghz on average, and every little bit helps...

Here's a screenie, no red, no nothing, taken at about 1000 ft. AGL. This is Phoenix AZ, the 5th largest city in the US, and the airport off to the right is KPHX, Phoenix Sky Harbor International, the 13th busiest airport in the US....

If you look carefully at the screenshot you can see planes parked at the gates.... Is that enough detail for you..?? FYI, taking screenshots at night, while they might look "pretty" with all the glittering lights, aren't very good for discerning detail, because, well, it's dark down there... lol

And in the next screen shot I have slightly overshot the wires on approach to the USS Enterprise, "Big E", CVN-65... You won't see detail like this in FSX, ever, sorry to say, but judge for yourself...

https://imgur.com/NrziH9O

https://imgur.com/eFWiNHc
3 Wire Jan 17, 2019 @ 1:29am 
Originally posted by Erazer:
Phoenix is interesting as I don't see any skyscrapers which is somewhat unusual. Just why the sky should need scraping is something I've never comprehended.

Can't see the aircraft on these monitors.

The carrier is something else. Just done a side by side comparison with a daytime snap of the USS Nimitz with a crowded deck and the colors on your shot are very much more vibrant plus the definition is far better.

The two shots were taken from the Benq monitor?

Looks like a bolter,! bolter! to me...

Phoenix has a large dowtown area with tall buildings but it's behind me in the screenshot.

You'd probably need a bigger monitor to pick out the planes, but they are there.

The screenshots were taken with the HP 32" QHD monitor @ 2560x1440, but you can only see what your monitor is capable of displaying.

A bolter is when you actually touch down briefly and then immediately take off again.
3 Wire Jan 17, 2019 @ 2:30am 
Originally posted by Erazer:
Originally posted by 3 Wire:

You'd probably need a bigger monitor to pick out the planes, but they are there.

I'll take another look on the HD TV screen in that case and as it interests me.

Yeah, that might work. I use UTLive and there are planes parked all over the place at KPHX... If you can't see them in this pic you need to have your vision checked... lol

https://imgur.com/McfeTvM

As for the skyscrapers, just Google "downtown Phoenix" and you'll see them.
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