Spamming and ganking is just so much more useful now?

[76561197992631699A]

Call me salty or whatever, but I would do the same.

I never intentionally tried to spam stupid shots, like orochi (which i literally never play).

I enjoy heroes like highlander, without actually abusing his 50/50

but now im feeling like I just get constantly ganked and spammed, escpecially with assasin heroes, like hit detection or timings are way off.

And I tried just taking raider and spamming heavy/zone into light basically, and i do better than any hero I actually have experience with.

I just cant pin it down. What gives?

[Stoo Dis]

A good way is to dodge and save for revenge, also play defensive and be ready to be ganked alot

[Onimaho]

So far only noticed Warlord's All block having issues...its not working against multiple opponents

[76561197992631699A]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Troompa Loompa:

A good way is to dodge and save for revenge, also play defensive and be ready to be ganked alot

i used to, and I'm used to because i also play a lot of assassins. But since the diagonal dodge change its a lot less effective

I mean i know there is a stance change duration to be considered (does it differ between heroes? i htink it does.) But sometimes I quite Early and definitely block in the right direction (non-assassin, mind you), and I still get hit. Its just infuriating, especially when going against an orochi, what should have been easy blocks and now I'm dead from a barrage of light hits.

Im rep 15 or so, so it's not me complaining "uh unreactable oro nerfs pl0x"

Funny thing is, playing against bots I block/parry far more consistent. Or at least I feel I do.

[FoolishNinja]

blocking and parrying in solo matches is easier than in MP, cuz of latency.
But yeah, the higher you go up as in skill level, the more spam you will encounter in FH.
So enjoy your matches mid skill level as much as you can, cuz it will get worse.

[FU∂LBIT]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Foolish Ninja:

blocking and parrying in solo matches is easier than in MP, cuz of latency.
But yeah, the higher you go up as in skill level, the more spam you will encounter in FH.
So enjoy your matches mid skill level as much as you can, cuz it will get worse.

I can't agree with this statement.

Spamming quick attacks in the lower skill levels is meta. Simply because no one knows what the others are doing and how to counter it. For a rep 15 player, it would be easier to pick Orochi for example and spam light because, I guess that new players can't deal with that.

Ask yourself this:

You're a rep 5 player and you have two options to win/succeed. What would you do?:

a) Learn to press 2 buttons (Orochi lights for example) and stagger nearly everymove in the game by pressing those 2 buttons.

b) Learn all of the kits, mixups and parry timings of all of attacks of the 22 heroes in game.

It's pretty obvious, if you ask me.

If you would like my advice, I would say don't go for the cheap shots and cheap strats. Pick a good/balanced hero that is complex and has a kit with all the tools. Be it Kensei, Shaman, Shaolin, Valk, HL... and learn to use as much as tools from their kits as possible... Stick to 1 or 2 heroes as "mains" and play them most of the time and you'll be able to react with the proper counter everytime...

And one last thing. Learn to parry the attacks of the most used heroes. It will help you alot.

[Tushonk]

Oprindeligt skrevet af POO-nami:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Troompa Loompa:

A good way is to dodge and save for revenge, also play defensive and be ready to be ganked alot

i used to, and I'm used to because i also play a lot of assassins. But since the diagonal dodge change its a lot less effective

I mean i know there is a stance change duration to be considered (does it differ between heroes? i htink it does.) But sometimes I quite Early and definitely block in the right direction (non-assassin, mind you), and I still get hit. Its just infuriating, especially when going against an orochi, what should have been easy blocks and now I'm dead from a barrage of light hits.

Im rep 15 or so, so it's not me complaining "uh unreactable oro nerfs pl0x"

Funny thing is, playing against bots I block/parry far more consistent. Or at least I feel I do.

400 ms lights, -100 ms to change block and -60 ms (server)
You have 240 ms to react those lights. Without actually calculating with the latency. It's nearly unreactable.

[FoolishNinja]

Oprindeligt skrevet af FU∂LBIT:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Foolish Ninja:

blocking and parrying in solo matches is easier than in MP, cuz of latency.
But yeah, the higher you go up as in skill level, the more spam you will encounter in FH.
So enjoy your matches mid skill level as much as you can, cuz it will get worse.

I can't agree with this statement.

Spamming quick attacks in the lower skill levels is meta. Simply because no one knows what the others are doing and how to counter it. For a rep 15 player, it would be easier to pick Orochi for example and spam light because, I guess that new players can't deal with that.

Ask yourself this:

You're a rep 5 player and you have two options to win/succeed. What would you do?:

a) Learn to press 2 buttons (Orochi lights for example) and stagger nearly everymove in the game by pressing those 2 buttons.

b) Learn all of the kits, mixups and parry timings of all of attacks of the 22 heroes in game.

It's pretty obvious, if you ask me.

If you would like my advice, I would say don't go for the cheap shots and cheap strats. Pick a good/balanced hero that is complex and has a kit with all the tools. Be it Kensei, Shaman, Shaolin, Valk, HL... and learn to use as much as tools from their kits as possible... Stick to 1 or 2 heroes as "mains" and play them most of the time and you'll be able to react with the proper counter everytime...

And one last thing. Learn to parry the attacks of the most used heroes. It will help you alot.

I wrote mid skill level not low.

At high skill level people know 100% of all attacks and most speed of each attack.
So if a warden that spams shoulder bash and knows what hes doing, he will destroy you, no matter how good you are, cuz his bash is unreactable, due to be cancel-able at any time.

[Nitromethane]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Foolish Ninja:

Oprindeligt skrevet af FU∂LBIT:

I can't agree with this statement.

Spamming quick attacks in the lower skill levels is meta. Simply because no one knows what the others are doing and how to counter it. For a rep 15 player, it would be easier to pick Orochi for example and spam light because, I guess that new players can't deal with that.

Ask yourself this:

You're a rep 5 player and you have two options to win/succeed. What would you do?:

a) Learn to press 2 buttons (Orochi lights for example) and stagger nearly everymove in the game by pressing those 2 buttons.

b) Learn all of the kits, mixups and parry timings of all of attacks of the 22 heroes in game.

It's pretty obvious, if you ask me.

If you would like my advice, I would say don't go for the cheap shots and cheap strats. Pick a good/balanced hero that is complex and has a kit with all the tools. Be it Kensei, Shaman, Shaolin, Valk, HL... and learn to use as much as tools from their kits as possible... Stick to 1 or 2 heroes as "mains" and play them most of the time and you'll be able to react with the proper counter everytime...

And one last thing. Learn to parry the attacks of the most used heroes. It will help you alot.

I wrote mid skill level not low.

At high skill level people know 100% of all attacks and most speed of each attack.
So if a warden that spams shoulder bash and knows what hes doing, he will destroy you, no matter how good you are, cuz his bash is unreactable, due to be cancel-able at any time.

At highest level its basically just waiting (blocking) untill you can get an easy parry or abusing what ever safe bash / delayed light you have. Chip damage needs to be increased, like a year ago. Force people to go for parries, they wont fix this by releasing more broken moves - these two seasons are a testimony to that.

[Demon Dog]

Oprindeligt skrevet af POO-nami:

Call me salty or whatever, but I would do the same.

I never intentionally tried to spam stupid shots, like orochi (which i literally never play).

I enjoy heroes like highlander, without actually abusing his 50/50

but now im feeling like I just get constantly ganked and spammed, escpecially with assasin heroes, like hit detection or timings are way off.

And I tried just taking raider and spamming heavy/zone into light basically, and i do better than any hero I actually have experience with.

I just cant pin it down. What gives?

parrying seems to be broken, I parry it makes the sound he does the animation but the hit goes through

[FU∂LBIT]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Foolish Ninja:

I wrote mid skill level not low.

At high skill level people know 100% of all attacks and most speed of each attack.
So if a warden that spams shoulder bash and knows what hes doing, he will destroy you, no matter how good you are, cuz his bash is unreactable, due to be cancel-able at any time.

My bad, the part after "I can't agree with this statement." wasn't directly directed to you. I should have made 2 posts instead of putting it all in one.

But your statement isn't correct because in the lower skill levels everything gets spammed because everything works. Mid-high skill level only conq and warden can spam. So, compare 22 heroes that can spam everything in low skill level to only 2-3 heroes can spam in high skill level.
So it doesn't get more spammy in high skill lvls. It's actually less, even if more noticable in high level...

[FU∂LBIT]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Shakta:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Foolish Ninja:

I wrote mid skill level not low.

At high skill level people know 100% of all attacks and most speed of each attack.
So if a warden that spams shoulder bash and knows what hes doing, he will destroy you, no matter how good you are, cuz his bash is unreactable, due to be cancel-able at any time.

At highest level its basically just waiting (blocking) untill you can get an easy parry or abusing what ever safe bash / delayed light you have. Chip damage needs to be increased, like a year ago. Force people to go for parries, they wont fix this by releasing more broken moves - these two seasons are a testimony to that.

This and blocking should cost stamina, a good amount.

[FoolishNinja]

why block when your attack is unreactable?

[76561197992631699A]

I guess I will try to stick more to a specific hero. I do play shaman a lot (its looked down upon i know, but I did take time to study the skillset)

It just FEELS so EASY. I have (not to boast) good reaction timings. I block Orochi's with a mississipi in my mind to spare, like indicator - block - pause - impact, then still eat it.

Its just a bit frustrating. Think, I studied and applied the shaman skillset, and do worse than me just raider spamming head bop.

[FU∂LBIT]

Oprindeligt skrevet af POO-nami:

I guess I will try to stick more to a specific hero. I do play shaman a lot (its looked down upon i know, but I did take time to study the skillset)

It just FEELS so EASY. I have (not to boast) good reaction timings. I block Orochi's with a mississipi in my mind to spare, like indicator - block - pause - impact, then still eat it.

Its just a bit frustrating. Think, I studied and applied the shaman skillset, and do worse than me just raider spamming head bop.

Raider might be a short term solution but you the better longer term choise, Shaman, is the right way to do it.

Btw, what doesn't work with Shaman? Her kit is so much better than Raiders. How do you use her? If Raiders soft feint is so effective then why not use Shamans softfeint? The opponent bleeds and you can force them to dodge and then you know, feint into GB and you get the guaranteed bleed...

[76561197992631699A]

i honestly dont know. I do feel raiders head bop hits a lot more consistently, maybe because it flows faster. shamans light impacts when the heavy would have, raiders is earlier. and raider has the blinding efffect so you might hit twice at least

I sort of gave up i think because if I remeber correctly it was a kensei doing swift strikes (and only swift strikes). like literally nothing else. and its actually quite successful. it dodges any of shamans feints and also her heavy into gb (becasue its uninterruptable).

maybe Im just annoyed at the new chinese. the fat man (and veterans who shelled out for the season pass) is just getting to me lol.