Master of Orion

Master of Orion

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GrenadeMagnet6 Aug 14, 2016 @ 10:51pm
LOL the recent most-helpful Steam reviews all flipped to positive in one day
So I was checking out MOO:CTS's reviews on Saturday, on the game's Store page, August 13th, 2016, and noticed most of the top recent reviews were negative, which wasn't a surprise. Then today I checked again this late Sunday evening and found on the Store page the most-helpful recent reviews were all positive!

Further, all these positive reviews had almost 50 users voting the reviews were helpful 89% or higher! You didn't see that level of participation with the prior negative reviews.

How does that happen in one day? Is it possible for the Steam review system to be manipulated? I noticed one suspicious review was from an Argentinian (from his profile) with the handle Saibot Studios, who was shown to play MOO: CTS for less than an hour. Yet his short review had 59 of 66 people finding Salbot's review helpful.

Here is the full text of Saibot Studio's thorough review.
"Really nice! it's not my kind of game (I didn't actually play the previous releases) but I really got into it :)
Nice graphics, audio and animations. Cool races and characters and pretty solid controls.
Just give it a try!"

Does that look like a "Helpful Review"? If you are the developer I guess the answer is "Yes".

Hey, Orion88: you left a comment in that one review above in question. Do you see anything else odd about this fresh series of positive reviews that were voted up?

One has to admit it's a stroke a good luck that the most recent helpful reviews all go positive right before the game's official release date. What a lucky world we all live in!
Last edited by GrenadeMagnet6; Aug 14, 2016 @ 11:02pm
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Orion88 FIN (Banned) Aug 14, 2016 @ 11:22pm 
I can definitely confirm at least that most of the recent reviews had only a couple of votes in either direction only a few days ago, when I visited them. And the most recent reviews definitely didn`t have that many positive votes.

The all time most helpful reviews however still seem to be largly negative.
Last edited by Orion88 FIN; Aug 14, 2016 @ 11:30pm
Lemonhead Aug 15, 2016 @ 1:18am 
My negative review went from 79% helpful to 30% helpful in the same timespan. Maybe it just wasn't a very helpful review. Weird to see it plummet like that though...

Very sad if they are cheating the system in order to hide the true feedback right before release.
Last edited by Lemonhead; Aug 15, 2016 @ 1:34am
artygame Aug 15, 2016 @ 2:56am 
yep the game sucks
Hof Aug 15, 2016 @ 8:17pm 
Tobias Rushan is Saibot Studios. He's an Argentinian indie developer. He must be friend with the Argentinian studio. He posted a positive review of his friend's game.

Inmediately, this causes people who know him in Argentina in the (Small) gaming development environment say "Zomg, Argentinian studio did remake of classic game for Wargaming.net? Must vote positive on review and all other positive reviews!!!! cuz, you know, not that many famous argentinian games around, must support our friends so they succeed!"

There. Conspirarcy solved.

It's still meaningless tough. Not like 40-60 votes are going to decide anything. I'd wait a few weeks after launch date (and read strategy game sites review of it) and see how it goes.
The Doctor Aug 15, 2016 @ 9:06pm 
'Someone is manipulating reviews on Steam? Shock horror! Is it possible Steam reviews can be manipulated this way?'

It's been happening for a long time now. And not just here. One fine example: Darkest Dungeon. And waiting a few weeks after the release didn't make any difference either. ;) And yesterday, TW:Warcraft also had all negative reviews for Recent because of the hate for the price of their faction DLC.

Just now, the recent reviews are positive and in another day or so, they'll be negative as the other camp sally forth to do the righteous thing and downvote all positive reviews into oblivion and upvote negative reviews.

Reasonably intelligent, sensible people know what's going on and don't bother with this purile, juvenile crap. If I want to read positive reviews, I select Positive and if I want to read negative, I select Negative. I don't let other people determine for me what is Helpful or not and neither should anyone else here.
Last edited by The Doctor; Aug 15, 2016 @ 9:07pm
Orion88 FIN (Banned) Aug 15, 2016 @ 11:12pm 
Originally posted by Hof:
Tobias Rushan is Saibot Studios. He's an Argentinian indie developer. He must be friend with the Argentinian studio. He posted a positive review of his friend's game.

Inmediately, this causes people who know him in Argentina in the (Small) gaming development environment say "Zomg, Argentinian studio did remake of classic game for Wargaming.net? Must vote positive on review and all other positive reviews!!!! cuz, you know, not that many famous argentinian games around, must support our friends so they succeed!"

There. Conspirarcy solved.

It's still meaningless tough. Not like 40-60 votes are going to decide anything. I'd wait a few weeks after launch date (and read strategy game sites review of it) and see how it goes.

And all of a sudden about 50 positive votes appear on all the recent positive reviews. Is it possible, yes. But most likely NGD/Wargaming have just reqruited their employees, friends and family to give the game a positive boost before release. A rather dirty tactic if you ask me, but probably not that unexpected when your biggest selling points for this game are a bunch of old legendary names and not gameplay.
Last edited by Orion88 FIN; Aug 15, 2016 @ 11:14pm
xetroC Aug 16, 2016 @ 1:16am 
First of all nice find ! I always like it if somebody discovers the machine at its work.
Its a very common practise for companys these days to hire reputation managment agencys, mostly in china and india, to manipulate the view of their product.
Not long ago the consumer protection departent here in germany released the results of an investigation inot the topic. The result was that more than 50% of the reviews written on all the online shops like ebay and amazon were fake and the numer is increasing steadily.
I am pretty sure that it is the same thing here with the steam reviews.
There is nothing that can be done against that.
In the last few decades markets grow money from imagination what you need is imaginary products... ^^
Boswelli Aug 16, 2016 @ 1:28am 
Also very funny: a guy with over 180 games in his Steam account made his first review EVER for MoO - after playing the game over 1800 hours (!!!) :D

Of course this is a positive review, short but positive. I think this guy could be one from the development team but who knows ;-)
The Doctor Aug 16, 2016 @ 2:54am 
Who knows? Well, you certainly don't, mate. Be very careful making assumptions like that, Boswell. I have about 100 games and 1000's of hours logged playing them but I have never posted a single review on Steam. It's likely that I will one day if I feel strongly enough about a game to do so but if I do and want to post a favourable review, it looks like I will be called out for being part of the dev team by paranoids like yourself ;)

Seriously, who pays much attention to these 'rated' reviews anyway? Of course they're being manipulated by BOTH sides, the fans and the haters. One wants to promote the product and the other wants folks to stay away. Nobody would buy Darkest Dungeon or TW:Warhammer if they paid any attention to this drivel.
Midnight Aug 16, 2016 @ 10:23am 
So many stupid trolls starting threads lately...

If people don't like the new Master Of Orion game, why do they spend all day and night posting rubbish here?

No developer should have to be faced with so much abuse each day, whoever they are.
Smith Replica Aug 16, 2016 @ 12:07pm 
LOL GrenadeMagnet6 and Orion88 FIN, looks like your boicott team is lagging behind! Keep those voters moving!!!

This is one of the reasons why the Steam user reviews system is so flawed.
headholo Aug 16, 2016 @ 2:50pm 
Those times when you see " Just give it a try! " in a review ,you know the person didn't buy the game.
Not that it's bad thing in itself (I've received games to review and mark them as such ) but it usually follows on from a decidedly whiffy "review" :P
Last edited by headholo; Aug 16, 2016 @ 2:57pm
GrenadeMagnet6 Aug 16, 2016 @ 5:49pm 
Originally posted by Hof:
Tobias Rushan is Saibot Studios. He's an Argentinian indie developer. He must be friend with the Argentinian studio. He posted a positive review of his friend's game.

Inmediately, this causes people who know him in Argentina in the (Small) gaming development environment say "Zomg, Argentinian studio did remake of classic game for Wargaming.net? Must vote positive on review and all other positive reviews!!!! cuz, you know, not that many famous argentinian games around, must support our friends so they succeed!"

There. Conspirarcy solved.

It's still meaningless tough. Not like 40-60 votes are going to decide anything. I'd wait a few weeks after launch date (and read strategy game sites review of it) and see how it goes.
Yeah, I'd do the same thing if a friend asked me to upvote their game. I guess the Argentinian software development community have a _lot_ of close ties with each other, based on the votes.

Originally posted by xetroC:
First of all nice find ! I always like it if somebody discovers the machine at its work.
Its a very common practise for companys these days to hire reputation managment agencys, mostly in china and india, to manipulate the view of their product.
Not long ago the consumer protection departent here in germany released the results of an investigation inot the topic. The result was that more than 50% of the reviews written on all the online shops like ebay and amazon were fake and the numer is increasing steadily.
I am pretty sure that it is the same thing here with the steam reviews.
There is nothing that can be done against that.
In the last few decades markets grow money from imagination what you need is imaginary products... ^^
True. And with the game almost being officially released it makes sense to spruce up the Store page for the game so it looks good from a marketing perspective.

EDIT: Oh, I was wrong earlier. I thought Chris Keeling wanted EA reviews gone but he never wrote that. In fact, Keeling wrote he was happy wtih the feedback from the EA process despite the "critical" early reviews.

Here's the link with his postings (as Severian) in the Explorimate group thread for MOO:CTS:
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/explorminate/discussions/0/618463738405324082/?ctp=105

Originally posted by Severian:
For us it is very valuable (and definitely not about the cash). We have a lot of player feedback, community response, and crash/bug reports due to a wide variety of hardware configurations. It's been worth it for us in spite of the critical early reviews and the additional cost (community management overhead and delayed release).

So if WG Labs wasn't bothered by the EA critical reviews then maybe someone at NGD Studios was.
Last edited by GrenadeMagnet6; Aug 16, 2016 @ 6:18pm
Itharus Aug 17, 2016 @ 12:29am 
Originally posted by GrenadeMagnet6:
Is it possible for the Steam review system to be manipulated?

Short answer: yes.
Orion88 FIN (Banned) Aug 17, 2016 @ 4:27am 
Originally posted by The Doctor:
Nobody would buy Darkest Dungeon or TW:Warhammer if they paid any attention to this drivel.

Except as far as I know the Total War game at least has been quite well liked. I personally haven`t played it though, as I am not interested in the Warhammer universe.

Originally posted by Antoni:
So many stupid trolls starting threads lately...

If people don't like the new Master Of Orion game, why do they spend all day and night posting rubbish here?

No developer should have to be faced with so much abuse each day, whoever they are.

For turning the king of space 4X into a shallow tablet game for kids that is even released incomplete? Yes, they most definitely deserve all this hate and infact more such hate should be given to modern game companies that make a living out of violating old classic game series with horrible remakes.
Last edited by Orion88 FIN; Aug 17, 2016 @ 4:31am
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