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C4MP3R Apr 1, 2017 @ 2:29pm
Thanks SHADOW... i have uninstalled this game
What is the most annoying thing in a FPS? Die from behind while engaging enemies. Shadow is a class designed to do this 24/7. You can say that "shadow is not OP, you can hear hir and shadow still visible" but ONLY NOOBS use shadow do attack enemies from front and doesn't matter if you are in a small map or a large map. Shadow is in the first place of both times almost every match. Is a class with highest DPS, almost invisibility and a insane speed.

The game is good, but i play games to have fun. I rather play a game that i can ENJOY and not be isnta killed in the most annoying way possible. Even if they nerf shadow to be insane slow and unplayable. Still the most annoying thing ever, so i rather play other games that i will not be frustrated to insane levels. I was playing as Wraith and making a 10+ scorescreak, 3 shadows joined in enemy team and the game become unplayable. You let enemy tank with almost no health and .. insta die

After this, i've tried to find other mathc and ALMOST EVERYONE IS RUNNING WITH SHADOW
Here the screen > http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=896382657

I've played 0 mathces with over 50% of tank, or wraith or berserker, but face a team with more than 50% of shadows is pretty common in any game mode and in any map. I've stopped with TF2 due Spy and i don't think that Spy is OP in TF2(only annoying as hell but Spy in TF2 don't have a lightspeed + insane high DPS with dual SMG that can kill a tank in a half of sec), but shadow in this game is literally gamebreaking(annoying as hell and overpowered as hell), this class ruinned the majority of my killstreaks.

IF you disagree, pease. Instead of "get gud noob", post ONE MATCHE with over 60% playing other class. Maybe, if they implement custom servers with the option to limit the number of shadows i will return because i've better things to play
Last edited by C4MP3R; Apr 1, 2017 @ 2:31pm
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Mr. Gutsy Apr 2, 2017 @ 5:25am 
Originally posted by NEMESIS:
To challenge the issue!
The class that has the greatest chances of success is the grenadier. Life / damage
If you play grenadier and do not kill the front shade, you still do not know how to play.
Every Class in time, is releasing perks and it is much easier to fight the shadow that has little life.

Oh yes, because playing nader means you have to kill that shadow coming around the corner in less then a second. A zerker, VG or Tank (with shotgun) is certainly not THE counter to Shadows. Shadow should win when withing medium range. More DPS then difference between HP. Let alone the OHKO around corners (which prolly is a bug since Nader has 200 HP) But yeah, nader is absolutely THE counter to Shadows. No Variable must be taken into considderation.

Do you even Nade?

As for the rest, Shadow is a pain in the behind if you play frontline. Especially when they are ghosting (which is another issue)

Most of the so called good players stick to 2nd line for obvious reasons.
Which is fine, but don't bring around BS.

Shadow is easy to play, easy to gain and most maps favor CQC/mid-range. Hence why Blackfield isnt populair cuz falling back on Wraith doesn't guarentee an ez match (on that map).
Neither does the nader.

Shadow isn't OP, it is just a big annoyance and THE FAV CLASS for laggers.
Aside from the damage output, melee is just too fast, I can shoot less DPS up close then melee does. (That's not the number game just the real situation... most players wont hit every bullet they fire)

With having said that, i do agree that due to teams not knowing how to counter a Shadow or shoot them on sight is having a lradge impact on how matches go, njot to speak about when facing a skilled player in the opposite team.... players just shut down. retry the same thing over and over again.

I respect you having a different opinion tho if you start talking BS.....

P.S. I am not talking about the noobtubers.
ashed Apr 2, 2017 @ 1:56pm 
Originally posted by C4MP3R:
What is the most annoying thing in a FPS? Die from behind while engaging enemies. Shadow is a class designed to do this 24/7. You can say that "shadow is not OP, you can hear hir and shadow still visible" but ONLY NOOBS use shadow do attack enemies from front and doesn't matter if you are in a small map or a large map. Shadow is in the first place of both times almost every match. Is a class with highest DPS, almost invisibility and a insane speed.

The game is good, but i play games to have fun. I rather play a game that i can ENJOY and not be isnta killed in the most annoying way possible. Even if they nerf shadow to be insane slow and unplayable. Still the most annoying thing ever, so i rather play other games that i will not be frustrated to insane levels. I was playing as Wraith and making a 10+ scorescreak, 3 shadows joined in enemy team and the game become unplayable. You let enemy tank with almost no health and .. insta die

After this, i've tried to find other mathc and ALMOST EVERYONE IS RUNNING WITH SHADOW
Here the screen > http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=896382657

I've played 0 mathces with over 50% of tank, or wraith or berserker, but face a team with more than 50% of shadows is pretty common in any game mode and in any map. I've stopped with TF2 due Spy and i don't think that Spy is OP in TF2(only annoying as hell but Spy in TF2 don't have a lightspeed + insane high DPS with dual SMG that can kill a tank in a half of sec), but shadow in this game is literally gamebreaking(annoying as hell and overpowered as hell), this class ruinned the majority of my killstreaks.

IF you disagree, pease. Instead of "get gud noob", post ONE MATCHE with over 60% playing other class. Maybe, if they implement custom servers with the option to limit the number of shadows i will return because i've better things to play
Alright, I'll counter your retarded points. "Shadow is in the first place of both times almost every match" That's simply false. "Is a class with highest DPS, almost invisibility and a insane speed. " It doesn't have the highest DPS. Simply false, especially when you factor in headshot damage. Many other classes have strong perks that will make their weapons much stronger than the Shadow's. Marksman's marauder can two shot w/121 damage per bullet almost instantly, Berserker's Supernova can 3 shot shadow with headshots very quickly, etc etc. Shadow's insane speed is completely reliant on 1 perk. If you don't equip that perk, grenadier is faster.
"I was playing as Wraith and making a 10+ scorescreak, 3 shadows joined in enemy team and the game become unplayable." You're not giving any reasons to why... This could have happened for a lot of reasons, not just because shadow is OP.
"I've played 0 mathces with over 50% of tank, or wraith or berserker, but face a team with more than 50% of shadows is pretty common in any game mode and in any map. I've stopped with TF2 due Spy and i don't think that Spy is OP in TF2(only annoying as hell but Spy in TF2 don't have a lightspeed + insane high DPS with dual SMG that can kill a tank in a half of sec), but shadow in this game is literally gamebreaking(annoying as hell and overpowered as hell), this class ruinned the majority of my killstreaks."
You're not giving any evidence that shadow is OP. Just because a lot of people play him doesn't mean he's OP. And shadow's have an extreme vulnerability against tanks, especially ones with last stand. All it takes is 2 blackhawk shots to kill the shadow, 1 if it was lit. If it ruined your killstreak, it is your fault. Learn positioning. Don't camp in tight spaces where you are vulnerable to shadows. Listen for them. Check behind you. Watch hallways for easy kills. There are many, many matches where shadows are not the majority. Just look at any gameplays on youtube.
Honestly, get good. If you're ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ that shadows are OP, it's cause you are a salty ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.
ashed Apr 2, 2017 @ 1:59pm 
If you are dying from behind while engaging an enemy, it is your fault. Look at your minimap. Be aware. Prioritize your enemies correctly.
C4MP3R Apr 2, 2017 @ 3:24pm 
Originally posted by -Elysium | ashenfreeze-:
Originally posted by C4MP3R:
What is the most annoying thing in a FPS? Die from behind while engaging enemies. Shadow is a class designed to do this 24/7. You can say that "shadow is not OP, you can hear hir and shadow still visible" but ONLY NOOBS use shadow do attack enemies from front and doesn't matter if you are in a small map or a large map. Shadow is in the first place of both times almost every match. Is a class with highest DPS, almost invisibility and a insane speed.

The game is good, but i play games to have fun. I rather play a game that i can ENJOY and not be isnta killed in the most annoying way possible. Even if they nerf shadow to be insane slow and unplayable. Still the most annoying thing ever, so i rather play other games that i will not be frustrated to insane levels. I was playing as Wraith and making a 10+ scorescreak, 3 shadows joined in enemy team and the game become unplayable. You let enemy tank with almost no health and .. insta die

After this, i've tried to find other mathc and ALMOST EVERYONE IS RUNNING WITH SHADOW
Here the screen > http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=896382657

I've played 0 mathces with over 50% of tank, or wraith or berserker, but face a team with more than 50% of shadows is pretty common in any game mode and in any map. I've stopped with TF2 due Spy and i don't think that Spy is OP in TF2(only annoying as hell but Spy in TF2 don't have a lightspeed + insane high DPS with dual SMG that can kill a tank in a half of sec), but shadow in this game is literally gamebreaking(annoying as hell and overpowered as hell), this class ruinned the majority of my killstreaks.

IF you disagree, pease. Instead of "get gud noob", post ONE MATCHE with over 60% playing other class. Maybe, if they implement custom servers with the option to limit the number of shadows i will return because i've better things to play
Alright, I'll counter your retarded points. "Shadow is in the first place of both times almost every match" That's simply false. "Is a class with highest DPS, almost invisibility and a insane speed. " It doesn't have the highest DPS. Simply false, especially when you factor in headshot damage. Many other classes have strong perks that will make their weapons much stronger than the Shadow's. Marksman's marauder can two shot w/121 damage per bullet almost instantly, Berserker's Supernova can 3 shot shadow with headshots very quickly, etc etc. Shadow's insane speed is completely reliant on 1 perk. If you don't equip that perk, grenadier is faster.
"I was playing as Wraith and making a 10+ scorescreak, 3 shadows joined in enemy team and the game become unplayable." You're not giving any reasons to why... This could have happened for a lot of reasons, not just because shadow is OP.
"I've played 0 mathces with over 50% of tank, or wraith or berserker, but face a team with more than 50% of shadows is pretty common in any game mode and in any map. I've stopped with TF2 due Spy and i don't think that Spy is OP in TF2(only annoying as hell but Spy in TF2 don't have a lightspeed + insane high DPS with dual SMG that can kill a tank in a half of sec), but shadow in this game is literally gamebreaking(annoying as hell and overpowered as hell), this class ruinned the majority of my killstreaks."
You're not giving any evidence that shadow is OP. Just because a lot of people play him doesn't mean he's OP. And shadow's have an extreme vulnerability against tanks, especially ones with last stand. All it takes is 2 blackhawk shots to kill the shadow, 1 if it was lit. If it ruined your killstreak, it is your fault. Learn positioning. Don't camp in tight spaces where you are vulnerable to shadows. Listen for them. Check behind you. Watch hallways for easy kills. There are many, many matches where shadows are not the majority. Just look at any gameplays on youtube.
Honestly, get good. If you're ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ that shadows are OP, it's cause you are a salty ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

1 - In the majority of mathes, there are tons of shadows in top scoreboard

2 - about DPS, lets compare Twister with Scorpion :

DPS = Damage * RPM / 60

24*1091/60 = 436.4 DPS

You can also compare the shadow with the time to a sniper swith to SMG and kill the shadow.

For a comparasion, a Chainsaw(amazing tank weapon) have only 416 DPS (50*500/60) and much more spread and recoil.

About marksman two shotting, is a slow ROF weapon

3 - "You're not giving any evidence that shadow is OP. Just because a lot of people play him doesn't mean he's OP"

My point is that shadow in top scorebord is pretty common and doesn't matter if is in open area map or small area.

4 - "(...)If it ruined your killstreak, it is your fault. Learn positioning. Don't camp in tight spaces where you are vulnerable to shadows. Listen for them. Check behind you. Watch hallways for easy kills. There are many, many matches where shadows are not the majority. "

Or go play other game. I an playing a FPS that my sniper can use thermal optics and cheytac with armor piercing can OHK behind cover.
Last edited by C4MP3R; Apr 2, 2017 @ 3:34pm
ashed Apr 2, 2017 @ 4:08pm 
1- That does not mean the shadow is overpowered. You haven't given a single valid reason as to why it is.
2- yeah, DPS headshotting with marauder is 1245. 667/60 times 112.
DPS with Supernova and Go Ballistic+Bloodlust:
857 x 1.15 = 985.55 32 x 1.1 = 35.5
985.55/60 times 35.1 = 576.5 dmg/second
DPS with Typhoon and Shadow Walker+Fast as Lightning
24 times 1.15= 27.6 1091 x 1.1 = 1200.1
1200.1/60 times 27.6 = 552.046 dmg/second
Saying shadow has the highest DPS of any class is false.
And the Shadow's weapons have extremely short range.
3- Catch a shadow winning wonderdome ffa. not gonna happen unless the shadow is insanely good. And yes, you are still providing no evidence that he is OP.
4- What

You said that shadows are OP, and the only thing you can come up with is that the top of the scoreboard often has shadows. That's doesn't necessarily mean the class is OP.
PrettyBeard Apr 2, 2017 @ 4:52pm 
yes, shadows need a nerf...
ashed Apr 2, 2017 @ 5:38pm 
Originally posted by •|∆LPH∆|• Revyncer:
yes, shadows need a nerf...
nope
C4MP3R Apr 2, 2017 @ 6:43pm 
OMG... You are comparing damage from headshots to a body shot to show that shadow isn't OP...
Dom Lino Apr 2, 2017 @ 7:05pm 
One time, i played against a team entirely full of shadows, can you imagine the hell?
ashed Apr 2, 2017 @ 7:37pm 
Originally posted by C4MP3R:
OMG... You are comparing damage from headshots to a body shot to show that shadow isn't OP...
Do you genuinely have autism? In the next 6 following lines I compared a shadow machine pistol to a berserker smg. Stop blatantly ignoring what I say to act like your point still stands.
ashed Apr 2, 2017 @ 7:38pm 
Originally posted by Thunderious:
One time, i played against a team entirely full of shadows, can you imagine the hell?
Sounds like heaven.
here my problems is that Shadow carry SMG and it DUAL the issue it not his Hp or speed it the DPS he can put out in a one on one if he got a chance to shoot by 0.2 seccond before you you dead his range is the issue but let be honest with a bunch of shadow and few sniper + vanguard they can pretty much camp spawn you
If ping isn't great he can be a pain but other than that he isn't so bad I think
De_faulty Apr 3, 2017 @ 4:33am 
Originally posted by -Elysium | ASHEN aimware.net:
Originally posted by Thunderious:
One time, i played against a team entirely full of shadows, can you imagine the hell?
Sounds like heaven.
I did as well, the people were so nice that we decided to play for honor, no sprinting and katana only and I admit I was pretty bad
De_faulty Apr 3, 2017 @ 4:43am 
How to deal with shadow

1. Grenade launcher grenadier, if you hear noises spam it hard

2 marksman with his awareness ability reveals him on the map, it's one of the 2 first perk you get as well

3. Berserker with shotgun, it's pretty self explanatory

4.tanks are immune to backstab and can also carry a shotgun and has a fully automatic on from the start

5. Vanguard also has shotguns and has more hp than the berserker, so can deal with shadows with guns

6.Wraiths can
-snipe
-smg spray
-grenade ( they are usually camping so...)
and if you have a good team to support your flanks all of the above

7. Another shadow? Fight fire with fire

So I just listed how you can deal with him with all 7 classes and those are all available with their lvl 1 loadout
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Date Posted: Apr 1, 2017 @ 2:29pm
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