Is it true that Silent Hill f has a feminist agenda?

[The Donberry]

I've seen a lot of ragers on this game, and I'm genuinely curious. I take rage with a grain of salt, as its not unheard of for ideas and responses to a game to become a fad. Its apparent to me that there are many survival horror enthusiasts who fear being on the wrong side of the conversation, so they double down on their very, VERY strong opinions of a new game such as this.

On the other hand, sometimes there are very fair criticisms for a game and they need to be said, because for good video game developers, feedback is extremely important. Its also true that I do not personally consider myself a "true silent hill fan" but I've enjoyed the games. So, I'm seeing if any true fans out there can enlighten me, perhaps make some direct comparisons to the stories in other silent hill games, lore, etc.

So I ask, apart from people just asserting these bold, sweeping and all encompassing statements and criticisms of Silent Hill f - can we see some receipts? Proof? Screenshots? I would appreciate someone giving me irrefutable evidence to justify the criticism because I do not take big hate on a game lightly. Me personally, so far the combats a pain in the ass (yes, just as much as the other silent hills, albeit they came out decades ago) with some parts of it being fun, I really dislike the idea of having to replay the game for the full story.... thats about it. Juuuust want to see if anyone can defend their position instead of just saying I'm defending the game for not hating it with ever soul of my being. Damn, I fought one of the preggo monsters and it took 3 F***ing weapons to kill it. Super hard and super cheap and annoying. However, I mean, the game isn't THAT bad yet. Just pretty annoying at times.

What do you guys think? Is it woke trash? WHY? I can clearly see the combat is frustrating but I felt somewhat similar with Silent Hill 3 and 4. Note, I havent finished the game yet, but not worried about spoilers.

Thanks.

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[Lucas the Thief]

There isn't really any feminist agenda or anything. The game does indeed take place in the 1960s Japan where women's rights were null and part of the monsters/world is made from a teenage girl's anxieties and fears towards marriage due to her father being abusive and her mother being a doormat. It's no different then the first game or third game going with Alessa/Heather's fears. It's in no way saying women are superior, men are inferior, women are gurrl bosses etc etc like what the anti-everything usually scream about. The closest you get to that is the UFO (non-canon) joke ending.

[Roundabout]

You seen the film Troll 2?

There are more of them here then in that movie.

[Wolfman-RIP]

The only agenda going on is youtubers begging for income by lying and making up drama to get views and people getting fooled into believing them.

3 years ago these forums' were fine. Now it's full of adults trying to farm internet points or repeating what some uneducated youtuber vomited up.

[Minneyar]

In the "Fox's Wedding" ending, Hinako literally says, "Stop treating me like an object." You can't get more feminist than that.

While that's the most explicit example, the game's story definitely pushes such progressive messages as, "you shouldn't beat your wife" and "selling your daughter is bad." I think it's weird that people find these things controversial, but that's where we've ended up in 2025...

[Lucas the Thief]

Originally posted by Minneyar:

In the "Fox's Wedding" ending, Hinako literally says, "Stop treating me like an object." You can't get more feminist than that.

While that's the most explicit example, the game's story definitely pushes such progressive messages as, "you shouldn't beat your wife" and "selling your daughter is bad." I think it's weird that people find these things controversial, but that's where we've ended up in 2025...

The scarier part is that the people who are screaming about how woke that is are also the ones demanding that Hinako, a teenage girl, get panty shots in the game.... so yeah.

[Virake]

the "receipits" were published before the game even came out:
Hinako Shimizu's arc in Silent Hill f is shaped by the Japanese women's rights movement of the 1960s and depicts 'how she musters the courage to combat' repression she encounters
this should've ended the debate before it started. of course, idiots like me didn't wanna believe it, so we got gut-punched extra hard by the misandry. some couldn't handle the truth altogether, so they ended up in denial.

Originally posted by Wolfman-RIP:

The only agenda going on is youtubers begging for income by lying and making up drama to get views and people getting fooled into believing them.

3 years ago these forums' were fine. Now it's full of adults trying to farm internet points or repeating what some uneducated youtuber vomited up.

a decade of relentless attacks on gamers, men, masculinity, and family produced an entire generation of people receptible to that kind of content. if you want to blame somebody, start with yourself.

Originally posted by Minneyar:

I think it's weird that people find these things controversial, but that's where we've ended up in 2025...

do you enjoy being accused of things you didn't do?

[Virake]

Originally posted by Lucas the Thief:

The scarier part is that the people who are screaming about how woke that is are also the ones demanding that Hinako, a teenage girl, get panty shots in the game.... so yeah.

no, not the same ones. now apologize for lying.

[Blackguard]

Originally posted by Lucas the Thief:

There isn't really any feminist agenda or anything. The game does indeed take place in the 1960s Japan where women's rights were null and part of the monsters/world is made from a teenage girl's anxieties and fears towards marriage due to her father being abusive and her mother being a doormat. It's no different then the first game or third game going with Alessa/Heather's fears. It's in no way saying women are superior, men are inferior, women are gurrl bosses etc etc like what the anti-everything usually scream about. The closest you get to that is the UFO (non-canon) joke ending.

imo I think this comment is the answer the OP was looking for, and really it should be marked as the answer to this post.

There's unfortunately a group of right wing extremists that are dead set on turning this games steam community into an anti-woke political battleground, simply because the game features a female as it's main character.

As someone who is on the right, I can say that we don't own those people, and frankly their extremism makes them just as bad as the socialists they desperately claim to oppose.

[Muscarine]

American identity politics tug of war pervading in every online discourse, by obnoxious people from both sides who hate but deserve each others

I wish they'd realise how much damage has been done that they now can only see things through the distorted lens of trigger words

SHf has obvious feminist themes through rebellious teen Hinako, but it also has for example favorable conservative themes through Junko

It thankfully is not another piece of Western culture/gender war brain rot

Don't listen to either side, they're just ideologically captured and compromised

[Virake]

Originally posted by Wolfman-RIP:

As a male gamer. I have never felt attacked nor do I see any of this crap attacking me. A tiny minority might try demonize men just like men hate women but they are a minority.

so you're willfully blind, then.

Originally posted by Wolfman-RIP:

Most of it is insecure young men who wasn't around for the decades of abuse our mothers, grand mothers and daughters took due to laws and police not listening to women when they get sexualy harassed, beat up and raped.

I don't know if I still qualify as "young", but in the decades I was around, this kind of treatment of women was already not socially acceptable. we didn't need feminists to tell us what's right and what's wrong, and I especially held a strong opinion on it. the barrage of accusations of misogyny that happned in the 2010s was sudden and uncalled for, and it only drove men and women further apart.

Originally posted by Wolfman-RIP:

Everyone failed to listen and protect woman and children for decades and men downplayed it or would tell them they deserved it. As a man whose heard a lot of these stories from friends over my lifetime and had to try encourage my own friends to go to the police when their terrified to do so this horrific crap needed dealing with.

The people who fear that men are being demonized should go and make more friends. Most people judge men on their own actions and words and not on crime statistics.

this hasn't been the norm in the civilized parts of the world for a very long time. you'd literally have to go to India or the Muslim countries to find this, and they aren't the ones playing SHf.

Originally posted by Muscarine:

but it also has for example favorable conservative themes through Junko

why are you making things up? Junko is portrayed as a traitor and a servant of the patriarchy. she was a positive force in Hinako's life until she got married, the game practically hammers you over the head with this idea. how could you get "favorable conservative themes" from that is beyond me.

[VaniKa]

Originally posted by Virake:

do you enjoy being accused of things you didn't do?

You're hearing "all men" where people are talking about men as a group pattern. That's not guilt, that's responsibility.

Analogy: I'm German, born after WW2. I'm not guilty of those crimes. Still, we're reminded that we carry a special responsibility so it never happens again. I'm fine with that because I share the goal.

Patriarchy works similarly: men today didn't invent it, but they benefit from and can reinforce it. The ask isn't "feel guilty", it's "take responsibility". Reflect on learned patterns, blind spots and assumptions. If you spot something, change it. That's how you make things better.

[Virake]

Originally posted by VaniKa:

You're hearing "all men" where people are talking about men as a group pattern. That's not guilt, that's responsibility.

Analogy: I'm German, born after WW2. I'm not guilty of those crimes. Still, we're reminded that we carry a special responsibility so it never happens again. I'm fine with that because I share the goal.

Patriarchy works similarly: men today didn't invent it, but they benefit from and can reinforce it. The ask isn't "feel guilty", it's "take responsibility". Reflect on learned patterns, blind spots and assumptions. If you spot something, change it. That's how you make things better.

sir, I don't harbor ill will toward you or your people, but your guilt complex makes the rest of the world cringe with secondhand embarrassment. instead of trying to right the wrongs of the bygone age, fight the evil that thrives today. that's your only real responsibility.

[Muscarine]

Originally posted by Virake:

why are you making things up?

Please don't even try to address me, you understand absolutely nothing and i simply feel exhausted at the perspective of having to teach you

Originally posted by VaniKa:

Patriarchy works similarly: men today didn't invent it, but they benefit from and can reinforce it. The ask isn't "feel guilty", it's "take responsibility". Reflect on learned patterns, blind spots and assumptions. If you spot something, change it. That's how you make things better.

You're all so annoying and truly do deserve each others

[Lucas the Thief]

Originally posted by TeddyRoosevelt:

I can't get into details without heavy spoilers, but yes, it's pro feminism, and not the good, "women are equal" kind of feminism. It's neo feminist.

I was highly resistant to this fact, and argued against the people crying woke, but facts are facts.

What ends up happening as you complete the game is a result of neo feminism, not traditional feminism. I was raised that people are equal in their own ways, and while men and women are great at different things, one sex is not better than the other.

This game does not subscribe to that philosophy. It demonizes men in the end.

This is a lie

[Virake]

Originally posted by Muscarine:

Please don't even try to address me, you understand absolutely nothing and i simply feel exhausted at the perspective of having to teach you

wow… you sure think highly of yourself.

anyway, if you continue to speak things that don't make sense to me, I will contininue to address them. if you got a problem with that, come up with actual counterarguments. things don't become true through the sheer force of will.