ENDLESS™ Legend

ENDLESS™ Legend

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Lt_Miles  [developer] Nov 10, 2019 @ 8:20am
[1.8.2] Release Notes
ADDITIONS [ALL VERSIONS]
  • Added Magtay minor faction.
  • Added simplified and traditional Chinese versions.

CHANGES [SYMBIOSIS]
  • Reduced "Reinforced Carapace" bonus to Defense and Health of Urkan and Lice (+50% -> +35%).
  • Increased cost to bribe Urkans.
    • Tier 1: 40+20/Urkan -> 60+30/Urkan
    • Tier 2: 30+15/Urkan -> 40+20/Urkan
    • Tier 3: 15+10/Urkan -> 30+15/Urkan
  • Lowered base attributes of Lice.
    • HP 120 -> 100
    • Defense 25 -> 20
    • Attack 40 -> 30
    • Damage 35 -> 30
    • Initiative 35 -> 28

FIXE [SYMBIOSIS]
  • Fixed "Brotherhood of Urkans" ability not applying a damage penalty.
Last edited by Lt_Miles; Nov 10, 2019 @ 8:21am
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86.icarus Nov 10, 2019 @ 8:58am 
Absolutely fan-freakin'-tastic that you're still updating this game!!
Generator Nov 10, 2019 @ 9:51am 
So, a 2.4 GB patch for a new minor faction and a translation, huh?
Strange, I don't own any DLC, and I started my game up SPECIFICALLY because my internet is in poor shape right now, meaning I wanted to play an offline game.
But this mandatory 2.4 GB patch (which represents roughly a 30-40% increase in the overall size of my game data) doesn't really feel that necessary. It's almost like I can't play my game RIGHT NOW because this company wants MORE MONEY. I bought several of their other games, but I will absolutely not be making that mistake again in the future.
spleenshark Nov 10, 2019 @ 10:03am 
Really appreciate the Urkan/Lice tweaks, can't believe the game's still getting love!
Overread Nov 10, 2019 @ 10:19am 
Originally posted by Generator the Gargoyle:
So, a 2.4 GB patch for a new minor faction and a translation, huh?
Strange, I don't own any DLC, and I started my game up SPECIFICALLY because my internet is in poor shape right now, meaning I wanted to play an offline game.
But this mandatory 2.4 GB patch (which represents roughly a 30-40% increase in the overall size of my game data) doesn't really feel that necessary. It's almost like I can't play my game RIGHT NOW because this company wants MORE MONEY. I bought several of their other games, but I will absolutely not be making that mistake again in the future.

Um the company doesn't want more money. They updated the game for free with a brand new language (which actually requires a lot more work to add than some other languages because of the unique characters present which can require reworks of quite a lot of the games core areas, menus, icons etc...). Alongside that they added a new subfaction for FREE. Then they put all the DLC on discount at the same time.

So if anything they are taking LESS money because all their DLC is now on sale and, whilst encouraging increased sales, they are making less profit per unit sold of the DLC - esp from Chinese customers who might now be jumping in to buy the game and its additional content now that its translated into their language.


My internet is also slow and its frustraiting when game updates appear. Heck I got similarly annoyed when I was on limited downloads per month and had to turn steam to offline mode all the time. However at the same time its purely a personal annoyance and I won't begrudge a company updating a game and adding new features and allowing new people to enjoy the game.



The only reason its a huge file is likely because its a lot safer for the integrity of the data to download large chunks and replace them than to try and slip in replacement code all over the place which would increase the chance of errors and then a higher chance of having to download the whole game all over again.


Asides just set steam to let you play whilst it downloads and play a different game/read a book/go for a walk etc....
Wh♂♂par Nov 10, 2019 @ 10:28am 
Originally posted by Generator the Gargoyle:
So, a 2.4 GB patch for a new minor faction and a translation, huh?
Strange, I don't own any DLC, and I started my game up SPECIFICALLY because my internet is in poor shape right now, meaning I wanted to play an offline game.
But this mandatory 2.4 GB patch (which represents roughly a 30-40% increase in the overall size of my game data) doesn't really feel that necessary. It's almost like I can't play my game RIGHT NOW because this company wants MORE MONEY. I bought several of their other games, but I will absolutely not be making that mistake again in the future.
If the file sizes of the individual files, that those changes are applied to are large, then this happens. You're not only downloading changes, you're downloading the entire file, for which each a change is applied. Other than that, you can try deleting some files.
Last edited by Wh♂♂par; Nov 10, 2019 @ 10:39am
Generator Nov 10, 2019 @ 10:39am 
Originally posted by Overread:
Originally posted by Generator the Gargoyle:
So, a 2.4 GB patch for a new minor faction and a translation, huh?
Strange, I don't own any DLC, and I started my game up SPECIFICALLY because my internet is in poor shape right now, meaning I wanted to play an offline game.
But this mandatory 2.4 GB patch (which represents roughly a 30-40% increase in the overall size of my game data) doesn't really feel that necessary. It's almost like I can't play my game RIGHT NOW because this company wants MORE MONEY. I bought several of their other games, but I will absolutely not be making that mistake again in the future.

Um the company doesn't want more money. They updated the game for free with a brand new language (which actually requires a lot more work to add than some other languages because of the unique characters present which can require reworks of quite a lot of the games core areas, menus, icons etc...). Alongside that they added a new subfaction for FREE. Then they put all the DLC on discount at the same time.

So if anything they are taking LESS money because all their DLC is now on sale and, whilst encouraging increased sales, they are making less profit per unit sold of the DLC - esp from Chinese customers who might now be jumping in to buy the game and its additional content now that its translated into their language.


My internet is also slow and its frustraiting when game updates appear. Heck I got similarly annoyed when I was on limited downloads per month and had to turn steam to offline mode all the time. However at the same time its purely a personal annoyance and I won't begrudge a company updating a game and adding new features and allowing new people to enjoy the game.



The only reason its a huge file is likely because its a lot safer for the integrity of the data to download large chunks and replace them than to try and slip in replacement code all over the place which would increase the chance of errors and then a higher chance of having to download the whole game all over again.


Asides just set steam to let you play whilst it downloads and play a different game/read a book/go for a walk etc....


You're so right, they DID put all their dlc on sale! And bundled together, it STILL costs more than I paid for the original game! EVEN ON DISCOUNT!
So yeah, I don't like buying my game and then the developers reveal they had more content to relase - especially when they PRICE that extra content as though it is worth MORE than the lost leader they already sold to you. And that's what it is, it's a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ lost leader by DEFINITION. Not just this one, but every single one of their 'Endless' series games has 10+ expansion packs! It's not as though they had trouble securing investors and funding for their entire game, they're not using DLC as an alternative funding source, they are using its prevalence to JUSTIFY poor marketing techniques and an absolute DISRESPECT for the people who pay for their product.
I didn't think I will ever be able to see someone so ignorant as to actually type the words "the company doesn't want more money".
I mean, children like this ruin the gaming industry for those of us that spend our money responsibly, and I cannot see how practices such as the ones employed here are any different from telemarketers hoping the person on the other end of the line is old / young / dumb enough to keep coughing up money, when it no longer makes sense to spend money on the horribly splintered and misrepresented 'product'.
Last edited by Generator; Nov 10, 2019 @ 10:40am
Generator Nov 10, 2019 @ 10:48am 
Originally posted by Wh♂♂par:
Originally posted by Generator the Gargoyle:
So, a 2.4 GB patch for a new minor faction and a translation, huh?
Strange, I don't own any DLC, and I started my game up SPECIFICALLY because my internet is in poor shape right now, meaning I wanted to play an offline game.
But this mandatory 2.4 GB patch (which represents roughly a 30-40% increase in the overall size of my game data) doesn't really feel that necessary. It's almost like I can't play my game RIGHT NOW because this company wants MORE MONEY. I bought several of their other games, but I will absolutely not be making that mistake again in the future.
If the file sizes of the individual files, that those changes are applied to are large, then this happens. You're not only downloading changes, you're downloading the entire file, for which each a change is applied. Other than that, you can try deleting some files.

Have you even bothered to LOOK at the threads of people discussing this update? The new info is not redundant replacement data optimized for software integrity, it's just a bunch of new data they weren't smart enough to make sure we only downloaded if we needed it. Just another sign that maybe, just maybe, these devs don't GIVE A ♥♥♥♥ about you or me.
Wh♂♂par Nov 10, 2019 @ 10:49am 
Additional stuff towards the download size - It's the Chinese movies. Own audio, etc. You can probably safely remove them without any potential danger.

Aside of that, I'd say you overreact - but you're of course free to any degree of personal outrage.
Last edited by Wh♂♂par; Nov 10, 2019 @ 10:50am
Overread Nov 10, 2019 @ 10:51am 
Originally posted by Generator the Gargoyle:


You're so right, they DID put all their dlc on sale! And bundled together, it STILL costs more than I paid for the original game! EVEN ON DISCOUNT!
So yeah, I don't like buying my game and then the developers reveal they had more content to relase - especially when they PRICE that extra content as though it is worth MORE than the lost leader they already sold to you. And that's what it is, it's a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ lost leader by DEFINITION. Not just this one, but every single one of their 'Endless' series games has 10+ expansion packs! .

Have you ever looked on their "Games 2 Gether" website? Almost all of their DLC is produced post-release. It's content produced after the sale of the original game, with money raised from the sale of the core game and re-invested back into the game. They even allow users to vote for the changes that are taking place, often putting up a range of options and then letting the playerbase vote for which one they think. There's also suggestions and ideas etc... All proposed by the community.

As a result of the core game and its DLC selling well they are able to produce more of this user driven content for a longer period of time. As a result it is possible for the game to end up adding enough additional content that it costs more than the base game. This is not out of the question and is a fantastic thing - why - because we gamers get more. Yes we have to pay more to get more, but that's a given.

You see the same pattern with Total War Warhammer; Crusader Kings 2 etc... A lot of games where the core game proves very popular easily end up with more DLC than core game. Heck go way back to titles like Neverwinter Nights; that got 3 expansions to it released over the years which easily cost up more than the core game when added together.


If you go way back to the days of, say, Starcraft and such the yeah we didn't get as much of tihs. But then at the same time you never got many expansions either. 2 was about the most you'd ever see (games like Red Alert); whilst most would be lucky to get one expansion disk released. Then it was onto a sequel if the company managed to stick around.



Fast forward to today and we've got companies able to network with their community far better and provide more content and far longer game support times.
Overread Nov 10, 2019 @ 10:53am 
Originally posted by Generator the Gargoyle:
Originally posted by Wh♂♂par:
If the file sizes of the individual files, that those changes are applied to are large, then this happens. You're not only downloading changes, you're downloading the entire file, for which each a change is applied. Other than that, you can try deleting some files.

Have you even bothered to LOOK at the threads of people discussing this update? The new info is not redundant replacement data optimized for software integrity, it's just a bunch of new data they weren't smart enough to make sure we only downloaded if we needed it. Just another sign that maybe, just maybe, these devs don't GIVE A ♥♥♥♥ about you or me.

It also likely avoids the game ahving issues playing multiplayer against other gamers; ensures that all versions of the game globally are the same (makes problem solving, support and user feedback FAR more effective). If they ran multiple versions of the game then they'd have to support and update multiple versions. That increases costs significantly and also can reduce effectivnes of support. In addition local issues with one version might not be replicated in the other so suddenly their tech-team has to problemsolve two games at once. This means slower support time; reduced effectiveness and generally worse experiences for users.

All just to mean that we might not have to download as much for 1 day of the year or so.
Generator Nov 10, 2019 @ 10:59am 
Originally posted by Overread:
Originally posted by Generator the Gargoyle:


You're so right, they DID put all their dlc on sale! And bundled together, it STILL costs more than I paid for the original game! EVEN ON DISCOUNT!
So yeah, I don't like buying my game and then the developers reveal they had more content to relase - especially when they PRICE that extra content as though it is worth MORE than the lost leader they already sold to you. And that's what it is, it's a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ lost leader by DEFINITION. Not just this one, but every single one of their 'Endless' series games has 10+ expansion packs! .

Have you ever looked on their "Games 2 Gether" website? Almost all of their DLC is produced post-release. It's content produced after the sale of the original game, with money raised from the sale of the core game and re-invested back into the game. They even allow users to vote for the changes that are taking place, often putting up a range of options and then letting the playerbase vote for which one they think. There's also suggestions and ideas etc... All proposed by the community.

As a result of the core game and its DLC selling well they are able to produce more of this user driven content for a longer period of time. As a result it is possible for the game to end up adding enough additional content that it costs more than the base game. This is not out of the question and is a fantastic thing - why - because we gamers get more. Yes we have to pay more to get more, but that's a given.

You see the same pattern with Total War Warhammer; Crusader Kings 2 etc... A lot of games where the core game proves very popular easily end up with more DLC than core game. Heck go way back to titles like Neverwinter Nights; that got 3 expansions to it released over the years which easily cost up more than the core game when added together.


If you go way back to the days of, say, Starcraft and such the yeah we didn't get as much of tihs. But then at the same time you never got many expansions either. 2 was about the most you'd ever see (games like Red Alert); whilst most would be lucky to get one expansion disk released. Then it was onto a sequel if the company managed to stick around.



Fast forward to today and we've got companies able to network with their community far better and provide more content and far longer game support times.

Dude what do you not get about this? The games come out skeleton thin, and then the real game (that, as you pointed out, always has better and more interesting mechanics because it is driven by the players, not the devs who presumably don't play games at all) is released for MORE than twice the price - invalidating your previous purchase, and motivating you to continue spending AD NAUSEAM.
THIS IS NOT ABOUT CATERING TO THE COMMUNITY.
THIS IS NOT ABOUT CREATING A BETTER GAME.
They have the money and investors needed to make the games they wanted, and instead they played around at giving it to you your way, like this is a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ burger king commercial.
I especially love the way you compare these strategies to the WH40K franchise as a way of exemplifying how the company ISN'T money-grubbing. I mean, I love WH40K and own several games, but never has there been a better example of intellectual property being stretched AS THIN AS POSSIBLE for AS MUCH MONEY AS POSSIBLE with as little regard given to the playerbase as physically possible.
Generator Nov 10, 2019 @ 11:06am 
Originally posted by Overread:
Originally posted by Generator the Gargoyle:

Have you even bothered to LOOK at the threads of people discussing this update? The new info is not redundant replacement data optimized for software integrity, it's just a bunch of new data they weren't smart enough to make sure we only downloaded if we needed it. Just another sign that maybe, just maybe, these devs don't GIVE A ♥♥♥♥ about you or me.

It also likely avoids the game ahving issues playing multiplayer against other gamers; ensures that all versions of the game globally are the same (makes problem solving, support and user feedback FAR more effective). If they ran multiple versions of the game then they'd have to support and update multiple versions. That increases costs significantly and also can reduce effectivnes of support. In addition local issues with one version might not be replicated in the other so suddenly their tech-team has to problemsolve two games at once. This means slower support time; reduced effectiveness and generally worse experiences for users.

All just to mean that we might not have to download as much for 1 day of the year or so.

Do you seriously see this as an online multiplayer experience? Like, THAT PART of the game is what you're worried about? Really?
Well, I would suggest that you are a minority, especially since people who play MP with old versions of any given game almost ubiquitously do so for good reason.
Generator Nov 10, 2019 @ 11:08am 
Originally posted by Wh♂♂par:
Additional stuff towards the download size - It's the Chinese movies. Own audio, etc. You can probably safely remove them without any potential danger.

Aside of that, I'd say you overreact - but you're of course free to any degree of personal outrage.
Someone reached into my library, broke my game without my permission or even a good ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ reason, and you think i'm over-reacting? If I bought a disc, put that disc into my console, and then couldn't play for 4 hours because I had a download, I'd think to myself "it'll be worth it". You know why? BECUASE IN THIS SCENARIO I HAD THE CHOICE TO IGNORE THE DOWNLOAD AND PLAY ANYWAY.
Overread Nov 10, 2019 @ 11:31am 
I didn't mention 40K - I mentioned Warhammer Total War - Old World Fantasy ;)

As for the game, you've been playing the game without the DLC so clearly their core game was more than good enough for you and wasn't stripped down to the bare-bones (otherwise you'd not be worried about this update). I will admit there are some games which have done the stripping down - Gal Civ 3 appears to have had that model toward being released. However many others don't - meanwhile games like Stellaris haven't been stripped down so much as evolved and changed considerably over time.



Honestly you're just raging and mostly arguing for the sake of it it seems. Esp since if updates were as terrible to you as you make out you'd be doing what most do when they have limited downloads per month - setting steam to run in offline mode and playing in offline.

In the end its an update that improves things for players; adds new features and increases the potential playing market. Sure you might not like multiplayer; heck I don't. Most of my games I play singleplayer and hardly touch the MP. But it doesn't mean that I'm not aware of the fact that building a single game version for the global market makes perfect sense. I'd rather FASTER updates to one game than the developer taking longer as they have to update multiple regional versions.
solops1 Nov 10, 2019 @ 11:44am 
I am tickled to have the bugfixes and tweaks. Thank you devs. The Chinese localization, which is 2.6 gigs unzipped, can probably be deleted. The devs have said they will address the patch size, since many (most?) of us don't need Chinese stuff.
Last edited by solops1; Nov 10, 2019 @ 11:45am
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