Am I the only one that has a problem with rock bands are bought with faith?

[hopsblues]

Seems like some agenda.

[cerberusiv]

It's a hard one to call. You could argue that rock bands are created by people who are committed to what they do, you could argue they are manufactured by throwing money at marketing them. Faith or cash? I'm not sure.

[View The Phenom]

Or it could just be balancing the resources so each one is useful in some way, instead of tying everything to gold purchases. If you could buy rock bands with gold, players would continue to ignore faith outside of a religious victory.

[GhostDragon]

I think they explained it very well in the stream. You can't just build a Rockband in a factory or pay many to create one. People have to follow a band and belive that it will have success. It is suppost to be a modern version of faith.

[SamBC]

Also kinda makes sense when compared with the naturalist.

[terry]

I think its pretty damn stupid but i dont think it really matters. I cant remember the last game i played that i didnt have an abundance of faith.

[Despiser]

Originally posted by terry:

I think its pretty damn stupid but i dont think it really matters. I cant remember the last game i played that i didnt have an abundance of faith.

Me too, I feel revitalized every time I play.

[therealjohnconnor]

You can buy naturalists with Faith, even soldiers and workers under special (Golden Age) circumstances, so why not? It's consistent with using Faith to buy Great People who are unlikely to be particularly religious (e.g. scientists/engineers), IMHO.

[jcp011c2]

I really think they should have cost culture, but I guess on the other hand when they're used to create culture, it doesn't make sense to spend from the same stuff you're trying to get.

[Gonzo_o0]

Originally posted by jcp011c2:

I really think they should have cost culture, but I guess on the other hand when they're used to create culture, it doesn't make sense to spend from the same stuff you're trying to get.

No, you shouldn't have to "buy" anything with Culture. Using Culture as a currency was Civ V design and it was a flawed design. And unfortunately, Yield as currency (apart from gold) is still present in Civ 6 with Faith. This is my main gripe with V and one of the strong points of VI vs. V: not everything is reduced to some sort or currency.

It should have its own mechanic altogether ideally, which doesn't make sense in the game's current state, especially since it's such a low-level one. So the trade-off is "buying" them with Faith, a mechanic that already exists in game.

[Koscum]

Devs gave a pretty nice explanation on why they opted for Faith instead of Gold in the Canada preview video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAcnANhykRY
44:00

TL; DR: In the early stages of the game, Faith should mostly be considered as a religious belief, but as the game progresses, it also grows to encompass people and ideals.

[SamBC]

Originally posted by Gonzo Jerusalem:

Originally posted by jcp011c2:

I really think they should have cost culture, but I guess on the other hand when they're used to create culture, it doesn't make sense to spend from the same stuff you're trying to get.

No, you shouldn't have to "buy" anything with Culture. Using Culture as a currency was Civ V design and it was a flawed design. And unfortunately, Yield as currency (apart from gold) is still present in Civ 6 with Faith. This is my main gripe with V and one of the strong points of VI vs. V: not everything is reduced to some sort or currency.

Civ6 has a nice symmetry here... two yields that have effect only on their city (food and production), two that you accumulate and spend (gold and faith), and two that you accumulate to fill a civ-wide bucket only (science and culture, though culture does also have a city-local effect).

[Gonzo_o0]

Originally posted by SamBC:

Civ6 has a nice symmetry here... two yields that have effect only on their city (food and production), two that you accumulate and spend (gold and faith), and two that you accumulate to fill a civ-wide bucket only (science and culture, though culture does also have a city-local effect).

True. And it seems like it's balanced too. For example, if you don't have a Religion, it adds an additional sink for you Faith apart from Great People, units, etc. So it validates the "currency" a bit more. I just find it difficult to theorize on what you spend exactly when you buy something with Faith. Is it "production" based on will of the people, some kind of charity work (for whatever cause)?

[Enigmatic]

Punk band -50 loyalty :) Makes more sense than indi imo

Casstrooo is a colour!

[View The Phenom]

It's nice to see that they're already diversifying the Rock Band unit. Different types for religion, tourism and general loyalty gameplay should make them useful for any victory type; in a similar manner to National Parks giving large boosts to amenities.

[aleman12]

Well hence other music and is bought wigh culture there is your answer