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Tequila Sunset 23/set./2015 às 4:41
I'm still confused by Ocelot Scheme in MGS 4 (and MGS 2)
Ok, so I get it that he hypnotized himself into believing he was Liquid Snake, and apparently it was in order to fool the patriots A.I. ... But, Ocelot IS working for the patriots, and Liquid was not working for them, so how is making the A.I. think he is Liquid a good plan ?

In MGS1 he uses Liquid to recover Rex's test data (the data of the battle between Snake and Rex) in order to give it to Solidus. He does this to give Solidus an opportunity to steal Arsenal Gear 4 years later (because he wants to create his own Outer Heaven with it, to free himself and his soldiers from the patriots control), the goal is actually for the patriots to recreate the shadow moses incident in order to train someone else (Raiden) and turn him into another Solid Snake.

In MGS2, if what Ocelot wants is, in the end, to destroy the patriots, why doesn't he simply explains everything to Emma and ask her to create the virus that Raiden and Snake use later ?
We sometimes see Liquid taking over Ocelot personality, but it's never necessary. Everything he does is something good for the patriots, exept when he crashes Arsenal Gear into Manhattan and escapes, stealing a metal gear ray on his way.
But befor that, the patriots think Ocelot is working for them, so he is not a threat to them, so why should he need to make them think he is possessed by Liquid, hence becoming a threat to them, just like Solidus and Big Boss were ?
Yes,he wants the patriots to react by sending their best agents (Solid Snake and the Rat Patrol, everyone of them not even knowing they're working for the patriots) to kill him. The goal being actually to use them to destroy the patriots, but he could have done this without faking the personality disorder, just saying "Meeah ! Imma Ocelot and Imma going to fulfill Big Boss dreams, because I deeply love him ! Hail Big Boss ! Hurray to Outer Heaven's resurection !"

In MGS4, he even manage to steal an arsenal gear to the patriots, the one with G.W. A.I., so why doesn't he simply destroy it himself ? Why does he need Solid Snake to do it ? And why the frak does he need to make everyone think he is Liquid ?

In the end, yes, all of this does make a great story, and that's why I'm such a huge fan of every Metal Gear game, but I have to admit that the story is way more complicated than it could be.
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Tequila Sunset 23/set./2015 às 7:13 
Hmmm, I'll turn on my PS3 tonight to check that out.
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Sekkuar666 23/set./2015 às 7:14 
Escrito originalmente por Son "Shotgun" Ryo:
It's because he's the son of the Boss (the Joy) and the Sorrow, so he inherited some of the Sorrow's ability to contact the dead, that's why Liquid's spirit was able to possess him.

If that's true, it is even more ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up than I thought


We might be presencing ultimate trolling level though. If so, well played.
Última edição por Sekkuar666; 23/set./2015 às 7:15
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Roxy 23/set./2015 às 7:14 
Escrito originalmente por Spawk:
Escrito originalmente por Son "Shotgun" Ryo:
Yes, absolutely. They went over it in that MGS timeline thing that was released on the PSN after MGS4 came out. It's because he's the son of the Boss (the Joy) and the Sorrow, so he inherited some of the Sorrow's ability to contact the dead, that's why Liquid's spirit was able to possess him.
This doesn't sound right at all. Is there a YouTube video you could link to?
They don't mention it directly in any of the games, only in the timeline thing, but it makes sense. Why else would Ocelot have a bionic arm at the end of MGS4 when he clearly has a flesh one during MGS2?
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Tequila Sunset 23/set./2015 às 7:16 
Escrito originalmente por Son "Shotgun" Ryo:
Escrito originalmente por Spawk:
This doesn't sound right at all. Is there a YouTube video you could link to?
They don't mention it directly in any of the games, only in the timeline thing, but it makes sense. Why else would Ocelot have a bionic arm at the end of MGS4 when he clearly has a flesh one during MGS2?
But why would he chose to replace his arm with Liquid's one if it wasn't to fool the patriots in the first place ? He could have chose a bionic one.
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Dota_To_Forget_Her_:( 23/set./2015 às 7:17 
why does ocelot even do all these things when he securd half of the philosophers legacy, which is a fantazillion moneys?
me, id take the money and run.....
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Roxy 23/set./2015 às 7:18 
Maybe they didn't have the technology for a bionic arm during MGS2, so he had to use one that was compatible with his blood type, and it's not like Liquid was using his arm any more. It was, what, 6-7 years between MGS2 and MGS4? I forget when exactly each game takes place.
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Sekkuar666 23/set./2015 às 7:18 
Escrito originalmente por Diamond1 Teemo:
why does ocelot even do all these things when he securd half of the philosophers legacy, which is a fantazillion moneys?
me, id take the money and run.....

Because he loves Big Boss. (no ♥♥♥♥)
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Tequila Sunset 23/set./2015 às 7:20 
Escrito originalmente por Son "Shotgun" Ryo:
Maybe they didn't have the technology for a bionic arm during MGS2, so he had to use one that was compatible with his blood type, and it's not like Liquid was using his arm any more. It was, what, 6-7 years between MGS2 and MGS4? I forget when exactly each game takes place.
huuu, if they're able to turn Gray Fox into a cyborg ninja, they can also build a bionic arm for Ocelot X)
Última edição por Tequila Sunset; 23/set./2015 às 7:23
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Tequila Sunset 23/set./2015 às 7:23 
Escrito originalmente por Sekkuar:
Escrito originalmente por Diamond1 Teemo:
why does ocelot even do all these things when he securd half of the philosophers legacy, which is a fantazillion moneys?
me, id take the money and run.....

Because he loves Big Boss. (no ♥♥♥♥)
Totally ♥♥♥♥, just as much ♥♥♥♥ as Raidenovitch, Eva, Strangelove, and Volgin. He admits his love for Big Boss when they are torturing Quiet. It's because of his love for him and for his mother that he does all of this.
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Sekkuar666 23/set./2015 às 7:26 
Escrito originalmente por Venom:
Totally ♥♥♥♥, just as much ♥♥♥♥ as Raidenovitch, Eva, Strangelove, and Volgin. He admits his love for Big Boss when they are torturing Quiet. It's because of his love for him and for his mother that he does all of this.

*sigh*
If you insist into bringing it to the ♥♥♥♥ side...
There. Happy now?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YyG5D68ags


But in all seriouslyousness (even if I just made up a word), Ocelot really worships Big Boss.
Everything he ever done after the ending of Operation Snake Eater was in order to help Big Boss, one way or another.
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