100% Orange Juice
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Aceblade Aug 7, 2018 @ 9:59pm
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Monsieur Crow Aug 7, 2018 @ 10:15pm 
You'll get over it.
Yoshister Aug 7, 2018 @ 10:21pm 
> Three times

You are like little baby

Get on my friend Zx's level

Literally hundreds of games, no wins :aos2kyoko:
mkjioz Aug 7, 2018 @ 10:27pm 
Follow Epictetus's example.
Rei Aug 7, 2018 @ 11:45pm 
If you non-ironically care about winning then you're gonna have a bad time.
Aceblade Aug 7, 2018 @ 11:48pm 
Originally posted by Yoshister (Dino):
> Three times

You are like little baby

Get on my friend Zx's level

Literally hundreds of games, no wins :aos2kyoko:

I would say I feel sorry for your friend there, but I don't exactly have your friend's fortitude for mental abuse. In any case really, I just wouldn't care about winning anymore if I got screwed over when I'm just about to win, instead it just dents into my mood for this game.

Originally posted by mkjioz:
Follow Epictetus's example.

It's a bit too late for my pain to end in that sense.
Iridium Aug 8, 2018 @ 12:53am 
Originally posted by Aceblade:
Three times in a row
In a four player game.
In which you also likely had good luck to "almost win".
In which winning does not provide anything truly substantial anyway.

This isn't a game that you play to win. Ideally you try to win, absolutely. But above all else the game is about seeing what twist of fate befalls the game's unlucky participants. Be less concerned about getting screwed at the end and more concerned with whether or not the way there was interesting.
Grynn Aug 8, 2018 @ 12:54am 
You’ll get used to the taste, then you’ll learn to like it, after a while it’ll be all you can think about :IrisHeartRebirth3:

But seriously, many people have been literally one tile away from victory when suddenly “RNG lolz” and they lose, and that (IMO) is one reason why OJ is so great. It doesn’t reward hard work with reward like we’ve been bred to believe. Can you imagine if you got everything you wanted just because you worked hard for it? How dull.

I think you just have to change your mindset. I mean if winning = fun for you then maybe OJ isn’t for you.
Personally I don’t really play OJ to win but play it for the shenanigans you can get up to during the match.

...Or you could just play characters like Sora or Marie Poppo.
Aceblade Aug 8, 2018 @ 1:00am 
My attitude is poor for reasons, so I do apologies. However, my mental state has been drawn to the state of losing = not being good enough.

I don't exactly have money to get a therapist, nor a job to accumulate income, since finding a job to begin with is hard enough.
Grynn Aug 8, 2018 @ 1:12am 
Originally posted by Aceblade:
My attitude is poor for reasons, so I do apologies. However, my mental state has been drawn to the state of losing = not being good enough.

I don't exactly have money to get a therapist, nor a job to accumulate income, since finding a job to begin with is hard enough.

Ok, real talk.
If you’re having a hard time in your personal life and OJ is stressing you out or making it harder then stop playing, seriously, you don‘t need that. Or at least put it on hold till you feel up for it.
hataraku zaibo Aug 8, 2018 @ 1:33am 
i don't play 100oj because the people i play with aren't fun to mess with
mkjioz Aug 8, 2018 @ 1:49am 
Originally posted by Aceblade:
My attitude is poor for reasons, so I do apologies. However, my mental state has been drawn to the state of losing = not being good enough.

I don't exactly have money to get a therapist, nor a job to accumulate income, since finding a job to begin with is hard enough.
What that other guy said, but another thing to point out is that OJ is a gambling game. While there is skill in playing the odds, the focus is on prediction, luck, and playing the cards you're dealt. Poker players do not play to win so much as play to maximize their chance of winning. The distinction is subtle, but important. The degree of judgement is looking back and knowing you made the optimal play even if you lost in the end. However that is when there are actual stakes and winning is important.

The highs in OJ aren't gained from just winning. They are gained from the feeling of incredible luck. One can play Fernet or Kyoko, do nothing but try to land on star panels all game, actively ignore players, and have a vastly higher chance to win due to it. This is a online board game with absolutely no stakes whatsoever besides the unfortunate win 1 game daily most people just reroll into something like travel 250 tiles.

In a gambling game with no stakes, instead of trying to make any sort of optimal play, just bet on what seems like it would be fun. It's like going to a Roulette Table, you can just bet on black or red, but the real thrill is in picking a single number and getting it.

One of my most earliest and fondest memories is of an OJ round I played many years ago. Before DLC, before softened Tomomo, just way before. The map was Christmas Miracle. I was behind, lost a lot of stars, but on norma 5. I lay an Exchange trap right before a home panel, neither mine or the player in the lead's. The player in the lead, rather than chancing the trap, uses a Here and There. He teleports like 2 tiles to right before the trap and promptly lands on it. Following immediately afterwards I roll to land on the norma winning the game. It was one of the biggest feelings of my luck absolutely robbing another person and I loved it.

These types of experiences will be balanced out by many extreme failures. But learning to appreciate and enjoy your own schaudenfraude is also important. Rolling Snake Eyes with Accelerator when the player you're trying to hit is 3 tiles away from you. Here and There landing you smackdab on your own home when you need to norma. Getting +7 defense with Deploy Bits and then evading the opponent's attack that battle. I have seen people pull the most amazing comebacks and the most hilarious losses.

However, if in the end, you don't actually care too much for the luck part, play Poppo. You'll rob people out of winning just by drawing your hyper. If you're concerned about not even drawing the hyper in the first place, just always set Charity or something.
Shade Aug 8, 2018 @ 4:49am 
Originally posted by Aceblade:
However, my mental state has been drawn to the state of losing = not being good enough.
Even the very "best" players in this community sport measly 40ish% win rates. Trust me, skillful play does not always equal winning in this game, and making mistakes does not always equal losing.
As others have said, this is a game mostly about luck. Your decisions can shift the odds in your favor, but in the end they're still just that - odds. It's very, very rare in this game for the outcome of any action to be 100% guaranteed - all you can do is choose the course of action that you think gives you the best odds.

If you get frustrated easily or can't shake the notion that losing equals being bad at the game, this probably isn't the right game for you. It's a party game, first and foremost - while there's nothing wrong with playing to win, there's no point in getting overly competitive about it. The best part about this game is the journey and all the crazy hijinks that happen along the way, not the destination.
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Kascin Aug 8, 2018 @ 9:47am 
Maybe I have such an easy time playing the game because I have fun regardless of winning or losing. Especially in a party game where anything can happen by chance. Winning shouldn't matter much to me.
Originally posted by Aceblade:
I'm sorry, but this game is starting to leave a sour taste in my mouth for all the screw overs I've been getting.

"It's just a game/get over it." Sure, you can say that, but it won't change the taste. Three times in a row, I have been screwed over by victories that should've been mine.

When I get screwed over, it just puts a really bad dent in my mood.
If you've gotten screwed over "three times in a row", consider that par for this game is to win one out of four games, going purely by chance.

Also, lemme post my biggest losing streak since I started keeping records:

Seagull Failure Reel

Christmas Miracle - Miracle, Charity, Regeneration
Tomato+Mimyuu, Sherry (CPU, then player at chapter 12), Seagull (me), Suguri
1st Suguri, 2nd Sherry, 3rd Seagull (me), 4th T+M
I had a 35/36 chance of winning barring card uses. But then Sherry brought out Whimsical Windmill, and nabbed me (I was at 2/3 HP) but not Suguri (who was at 3/4 HP).

Frost Cave - Regeneration, Backtrack, Treasure
Seagull (me), Aru (CPU, player joined chapter 16), Starbo, Hime (CPU pick, player joined chapter 1)
1st Aru, 2nd Seagull (me), 3rd Starbo, 4th Hime

Tomomo's Abyss - Confusion, Backtrack, Treasure
Chicken, Seagull (me), Hime, Sora
1st Hime, 2nd Chicken, 3rd Sora, 4th Seagull (me)

Clover - Backtrack, Sprint, Treasure
Seagull A, Suguri (player left chapter ~5, another player joined chapter 8), Seagull B (me), Suguri V2
1st Seagull A, 2nd Suguri, 3rd Seagull B, 4th Suguri V2

Sealed Archive - Random Warp, Confusion, Backtrack
Seagull (me), Tomomo-CSE, Store Manager, Star Breaker
1st Tomomo-CSE, 2nd Seagull, 3rd Starbo, 4th Store Manager

Icy Hideout - Random Warp, Confusion Bomber
Store Manager, Seagull (me), Starbo, Suguri V2
1st Suguri V2, 2nd Seagull (me), 3rd Store Manger, 4th Star Breaker

Space Wanderer - Mystery, Treasure, Amplify
QPD, QP, Seagull, Aru
1st QP, 2nd QPD, 3rd Seagull (me), 4th Aru

White Winter - Mystery, Treasure, Amplify
Seagull (me), Krila, Kae, QP
1st Krila, 2nd Seagull, 3rd QP, 4th Kae
Came so close...but then I died to a Robo Ball. And I would still have won, too, had someone else not drawn Poppo's hyper.

Practice Field - Mystery, Treasure, Amplify
QP, Suguri, Mixpo, Seagull (me)
1st Suguri, 2nd Mixpo, 3rd QP, 4th Seagull (me)
Well, this was embarrassing.

Planet Earth - Mystery, Treasure, Amplify
Chicken, Syura, Seagull (me), Aru
1st Chicken, 2nd Seagull, 3rd Syura, 4th Aru
It was a Bird vs. Bird race at the end; we both needed a 6 to win. Chicken rolled a 6 first, of course.

Sealed Archive - Home Roulette, Random Warp, Freeze
Seagull (me), Starbo, Krila, Hime
1st place as Seagull, 2nd Hime, 3rd Krila, 4th Starbo


FYI this was during the Valentine's Day event, where I had to win a match as Seagull to get Chocolate Seagull.
Last edited by Quint the Alligator Snapper; Aug 8, 2018 @ 10:42am
Jerminator00 Aug 8, 2018 @ 11:25am 
Welcome to OJ, where anything can happen and the points don't matter.

But for real like most people have said here winning isn't important. This is a game where 90% of what happens is based purely on luck, where if someone is unlucky can have everything they need to win the game, but be unable to find a home space for several (double digit) turns while someone takes the win from level three. Yeah, it kind of sucks to have a win 'stolen' from you, but that's part of the fun of OJ. As much as those moments suck, it's all that much better when it happens in your favor, or if you're just on the sideline without even a shred of a chance of winning just watching all this kind of chaos go down between the two actual contenders that match.

Want to make the sting of that loss less? Talk to the other people while you play. They won't always respond, but when they do it can make the match that much more enjoyable and make winning even less important. Plenty of fun games where I've 'role-played' the character, like talking in pirate speak playing tequila or playing kai like a shounen protaganist, giving speeches about friendship and never giving up etc.

Then again, it could just be that this game isn't for you. And that's okay. You don't have to like or play the game, and if you would be happier playing something else, go play that. Play something you enjoy. Don't make yourself miserable playing something you don't like.
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