Rocket ult needs a buff to keep up with other healers

[digstraightdown72]

his normal abilities aren't that bad but his ult is just so much worse than others

[FrostyShock]

Publicado originalmente por Terotrous:

Publicado originalmente por FrostyShock:

if the game is halted for 10 seconds then that means your team is wasting your Luna's ult, quit standing around with your thumb up your ass when your Luna ults

It's somewhat less true of Luna and Mantis Ult, since they can move while doing it, but C&D and IW ults are inherently stationary and people will just retreat from the affected area, halting the game.

You also frequently have ult for ult trades, ie, both sides have a Luna Ult at the same time, which absolutely stops the game for 12 seconds.

C&D's ult is area denial. causing the enemy to fall back is the goal. holy shet half of you have only a quarter of a brain demanding a "Win Instant" button

[Womens Deodorant]

Publicado originalmente por Queen Yuu The Reclusive:

Publicado originalmente por Womens Deodorant:

lol healbot does not mean NEVER left click. You ever played a hero shooter?

Publicado originalmente por Womens Deodorant:

I get what youre saying, but rocket is different. He is really only good for heal botting. That is why every high ranked rocket is a heal bot. His dps just isnt enough.

'His damage isn't enough, so it doesn't matter. Just healbot as Rocket.'

This is you. :caitChug::bleach::kiyokoSalt::gk_skull:

Yea and I still didnt say you should never left click lol what is your point here? 2k dps and 20k healing is still a healbot

[Queen Yuu The Reclusive]

Publicado originalmente por FrostyShock:

Publicado originalmente por Terotrous:

It's somewhat less true of Luna and Mantis Ult, since they can move while doing it, but C&D and IW ults are inherently stationary and people will just retreat from the affected area, halting the game.

You also frequently have ult for ult trades, ie, both sides have a Luna Ult at the same time, which absolutely stops the game for 12 seconds.

C&D's ult is area denial. causing the enemy to fall back is the goal. holy shet half of you have only a quarter of a brain demanding a "Win Instant" button

'Rocket ult isn't broken like Cloak ult! It needs a buff!'

Something tells me people don't understand that buffing the weaker options isn't always correct.

Publicado originalmente por Womens Deodorant:

Yea and I still didnt say you should never left click lol what is your point here? 2k dps and 20k healing is still a healbot

Oh my god, you literally just don't left click 90% of the game.

[Terotrous]

Publicado originalmente por FrostyShock:

C&D's ult is area denial. causing the enemy to fall back is the goal. holy shet half of you have only a quarter of a brain demanding a "Win Instant" button

If you press a button and instantly get guaranteed area denial, that's a "win button". The way these ults should work is you should have to use them well to get value. That generally means that there should be counterplay that allows you to shut down these ults when used poorly, but they regenerate health so fast that you basically can't do anything to them even if the person using them is way out of position.

That said, for C&D ult, probably the only things I would change is make it cost 4000 (it currently costs 3400, way less than the other support ults) and maybe make them regenerate less health while dashing, so that if you tried to dash straight into the enemy team alone you could be bursted down while doing it.

[FrostyShock]

Publicado originalmente por Queen Yuu The Reclusive:

Publicado originalmente por FrostyShock:

C&D's ult is area denial. causing the enemy to fall back is the goal. holy shet half of you have only a quarter of a brain demanding a "Win Instant" button

'Rocket ult isn't broken like Cloak ult! It needs a buff!'

Something tells me people don't understand that buffing the weaker options isn't always correct.

DID YOU READ ROCKET'S ULT? DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT DOES? ARE YOU JUST W M1 PLAYERS? GO PLAY PONG

[SunfireKnight86]

Bad players want every ult to be a full 10 second mario star or a one hit the map attack.

[Izuzul]

Rockets dps is just situational. If there are a bunch of dives or tanks that overextend my damage as rocket is as high as the other supports, as he shreds up close. If I'm on a team of killing machines that focus enemies and work as a team I don't need to shoot as much or even at all. But if a tank or dps start charging the back line I'm sure as hell gonna melt him down with my team.

[FrostyShock]

Publicado originalmente por Terotrous:

Publicado originalmente por FrostyShock:

C&D's ult is area denial. causing the enemy to fall back is the goal. holy shet half of you have only a quarter of a brain demanding a "Win Instant" button

If you press a button and instantly get guaranteed area denial, that's a "win button". The way these ults should generally work is you should have to use them well to get value. That generally means that there should be counterplay that allows you to shut down these ults when used poorly, but they regenerate health so fast that you basically can't do anything to them even if the person using them is way out of position.

"MAXIMUM PULSE"
"THE MOON HAUNTS YOU"
"HULK SMASH"
"I NEVER MISS"
"FEEL THE WRATH OF THE GODDESS"
if anything you dive in and farm for your own ult

[Yoshinite]

If they made Rocket's ult be a healing area while keeping the damage buff i think that'd stop the nerds from yelling at Rocket mains in higher ranks like their lord and savior Timthetatman does.

[[Blood Raven] Cyrus]

Publicado originalmente por Terotrous:

The thing is, there's a big difference between saying that Rocket should "mostly heal" vs "never use his gun at all". A typical good Rocket might have only 2000 damage, but have like 5 final blows, because they used a bit of chip damage to finish off wounded targets (literally always worth doing, picks are always huge).

this im a rocket main and ill use my gun to shred tanks that get to close cuz rockets gun is good at close to mid range or clear things like penny mine layer or unks

[Terotrous]

Publicado originalmente por FrostyShock:

"MAXIMUM PULSE"
"THE MOON HAUNTS YOU"
"HULK SMASH"
"I NEVER MISS"
"FEEL THE WRATH OF THE GODDESS"
if anything you dive in and farm for your own ult

I agree with you on Moon Knight and Storm Ult. Those are also pretty close to "guaranteed value" ults that offer little to no counterplay. There's a reason people also constantly complain about those.

Iron Man ult does have some counterplay. For starters, the shot can be blocked by shields, completely neutralizing it. Iron Man has a decently long windup for it and can be shot, the ult itself provides him with no additional protection. The shot is also usually avoidable on reaction if you have a burst movement ability like Rocket (unless it's fired and point blank range, but in that case it's easier to shoot him before it goes off). Obviously it can be comboed with other things, especially Groot Ult, which makes it much deadlier, though obviously this requires 2 ults instead of one.

Hulk's Ult is honestly not great. He gains a lot of additional health, but his offense arguably goes down due to the knockback on his primary attack and he can be shredded fast if the team is together. His grab is actually quite a poor move a lot of the time, the target being smashed can be healed through it and Hulk is easily shot during it, so it's only really useful against a lone target. This is certainly not an I win button ult.

Hawkeye ult is like OK at best. The big issue here is that although it allows Hawkeye to hit more consistently, it does not increase his overall DPS, so you can easily just heal the targets he shoots. It's also kind of inconsistent at actually putting the afterimages out, sometimes you just don't get many and thus it doesn't do much. This ult is kinda decent at cleaning up teamfights where you're already winning but it doesn't usually do a lot if both teams are still fairly healthy. This is also not an I win button.

Of those that are left, probably the most I win button is Groot. This is a near-guaranteed value ult that can teamwipe a lot of the time. Psylocke is also pretty strong, but there's a little more counterplay to it since it at least doesn't instantly delete you like Moon Knight does (so you can save someone with something like a Magneto bubble).

[digstraightdown72]

well this post started alot of arguments

[Queen Yuu The Reclusive]

Publicado originalmente por Terotrous:

Of those that are left, probably the most I win button is Groot. This is a near-guaranteed value ult that can teamwipe a lot of the time. Psylocke is also pretty strong, but there's a little more counterplay to it since it at least doesn't instantly delete you like Moon Knight does (so you can save someone with something like a Magneto bubble).

'OH NO, GROOT ULTED-' Loki shift.

'OH NO, PSYLOKE IS ULT-' Haha, Loki shift.

[Yoshinite]

Publicado originalmente por digstraightdown72:

well this post started alot of arguments

You're right though.
Rocket's Ult definitely needs a buff, especially now that people are so unreasonably mean to Rocket players since Timthetatman had his meltdown about him on stream.

[FrostyShock]

Publicado originalmente por Yosh:

Publicado originalmente por digstraightdown72:

well this post started alot of arguments

You're right though.
Rocket's Ult definitely needs a buff, especially now that people are so unreasonably mean to Rocket players since Timthetatman had his meltdown about him on stream.

get into Rocket's ult range then, you get a damage boost that's noticeable