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tommim Nov 23, 2014 @ 7:36am
Why I love playing with noobs (a rant)
The real cracks are fun to play with... for a while.

Until somebody starts calling the other guys "hackers" or "stupid noobs" or people insult their team. Sometimes they yell at each other if the game doesn't work out the way they want. Sometimes in the end somebody rage-quits, or goes on yelling at another pro-player a little more in game chat for what are minor issues at best. ("I didn't kill you - I just landed on your head and you killed yourself, you stupid yxcswer@248!!!")

Don't get me wrong: this can be entertaining! English is not my first language, so I learn a bunch of exciting new swear-words I never heard before! This is free first-hand education by natives and much appreciated. BUT! Somehow it get's old really fast.

So if you happen to fall in one of the above mentioned categories, try to see it my way: I'm an old fart in my late 30ies. Which means I have the reflexes of a dead donkey. My reaction times are that of a sloth on tranquilizers. I'm so out of my league, I'm a monument to Communism: totally classless! Of course it wasn't always like this. I used to dwell on the upper-half of the kill-board when I was in my teens. We were dominating in games you probably never heard of on technology you never saw.
(Do you still remember what a "terminator" does on a network? What a "ring-topology" is? Do you remember the pain of somebody having to leave early in a LAN party? Then you are probably "one of us"! A "veteran of the old retro-nology".)

There are many players on the lower-end of the skill scale and somehow I don't hear them complain. They lose a match - they congratulate the other party. They thank each other for playing, even if they have lost 3000 to zero. It is just great playing with these guys!

These people apparently believe that it is a good thing to play with folks that can provide you with a challenge. That it is great to improve your skills alongside others. Just dominating a game would be rather boring, wouldn't it?

And if there were players that actually DO cheat? Then they obviously have something to compensate for and in the end they are just spoiling their own fun! So why would you yell at them?

Yelling at others in chat just makes it a lot harder for everybody to tell who are actually the "noobs" and who are the real gamers, because somehow having the highest kills doesn't automatically translate to being the superior player.
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dan7178 Nov 23, 2014 @ 11:43am 
Well said.
mel_mel_baby Dec 2, 2014 @ 6:42pm 
yeah, nubs can have a downside .....but I do like hanging behind them and using them as bullet shields, oh! and when, they get hot headed, come after you. You just know they will bring that hot head with them, all the way across tha map and to find "you" and personally take you out or die trying, so you hide and ambush them and they ask themselves, why' is that guy,
so damned hard to kill...

i ain't hard to kill, just like napping in ambush is all...

all good memories.
Last edited by mel_mel_baby; Dec 2, 2014 @ 6:44pm
HBZK100 Dec 6, 2014 @ 10:15pm 
Quick tip, if your new and have low reflexes, i highly recommend being a support mech. Technician, rocketeer and a few others are great for peeps that don't do well on the front lines.
tommim Dec 7, 2014 @ 5:15am 
I actually use a tech and found that to be the best choice for casual players.
It is amazing even in defense! The Tech is the only bot that doesn't have to aim at all. Just keep your enemy somewhere on your screen, hold down the fire-button and you WILL do constant damage not matter where your crosshair is.
Also most people seem to understand what a "Tech" is doing on the battlefield, which makes your job a lot easier.

Some offensive supports however, like the Incinerator, are not so well suited. Because they require not only a steep learning-curve, but also teamplay. Unfortunately most people don't understand their role on the battlefield very well and just treat them as "normal" attack bots. Forgetting that an Incinerator is not a beserker or assault bot that rushes in with guns blazing.

The Incinerator is meant to fire scary looking fireballs from a distance that mark a "zone-of-death" and make the enemy abandon their formation. However, even though looking impressive, these fireballs don't actually do much damage unless you score a full hit - which is rare.
The Incinerator also allows other bots that can provide surpression fire to keep firing for a longer time. However: this requires a lot of discipline since your teammates have to hold formation for that to work properly. If they run away it doesn't work. And if they run into your line of fire you could even blow yourself up with your own guns. You also can't simply stop firing and wait for them to go away, because if you hold your fire, your weapon will take a few seconds to ramp up again. During this time you won't be able to return fire at all.
The inproper understanding of this bots role makes the Incinerator a nice idea on paper that is often enough not working out as expected in practice.

Another example: some people try to tell the "Scouts" to "stick to the team" - which is not their role. The "Scout" is meant to distract. Its role is to abandon the team, go around the enemy and flank it. So that the enemy starts to defend on two sides and breaks formation. Which allows the actual attack bots to push for the kill.
In a Scout you often enough don't even have to hit the enemy at all. Just go in, fire a few rounds, run away and watch as at least one person with a learning-deficit in a heavy mech abandons his team in a futile attempt to "hunt" you down.
The Scout is also hunting already damaged bots to keep them from escaping. You will be a constant pain in their rectal approach vector, making them paranoid to sit down and repair, because when they do, you WILL be there to blow them up. Which is annoying as hell.
Be warned that people will hate you for it. Plus its extreme speed makes the Scout one of the most difficult bots to master. Which is why I wouldn't recommend it to anybody with low reflexes at all.

The Vanguard is a great, tough and deadly point-defender, but not a front-line bot either. As it needs one or two light mechs as support because its rear is extremly weak and if it gets flanked it goes down really fast. Vanguards are like morays: stick them in a hole with their rear safe against a wall and watch as they annihilate anything stupid enough to pass by. But drag them out in the open and any light mech can outmaneuver and tear them apart with ease. Problem is that most maps don't really have many suitable holes for this otherwise extraordinary support bot. Which is why I would suggest to avoid it.
Plus people in light bots tend to either run into your line of fire or abandon the Vanguard altogether to run off elsewhere, leaving you there as a sitting duck.

So in short: of all support bots I would agree that a tech is the supreme choice.
HBZK100 Dec 7, 2014 @ 4:31pm 
How strange, everybody is saying the scout is hard to learn. For me it was easy. On my first run with the scout i got one of the highest kill streaks i've ever gotten.
tommim Dec 8, 2014 @ 11:10am 
Originally posted by HBZK100:
How strange, everybody is saying the scout is hard to learn. For me it was easy.

This is probably because you are not in your early 40ies and don't have the reflexes of a dead donkey ;)
Last edited by tommim; Dec 8, 2014 @ 11:14am
HBZK100 Dec 8, 2014 @ 11:13am 
Originally posted by tommim:
Originally posted by HBZK100:
How strange, everybody is saying the scout is hard to learn. For me it was easy. On my first run with the scout i got one of the highest kill streaks i've ever gotten.

This is probably because you are not in your early 40ies and don't have the reflexes of a dead donkey ;)

LOL good point. (I'm in my teens.)

Even for me, idk how people can get so got with a class and play for hrs on end. I get a headache if i play more than 2 hrs with the scout.
tommim Dec 8, 2014 @ 11:18am 
Originally posted by HBZK100:
Even for me, idk how people can get so got with a class and play for hrs on end. I get a headache if i play more than 2 hrs with the scout.

Well. Everything comes with up- and downsides.
Upside of being fourty is that you can finally afford that big gaming machine that plays all the great games at blazing speed and so smoothly you never get headaches ever again.

Downside of course is that now you are so slow and have so little time between work, family and houshold duties, that you start to prefer those point-and-click adventure games.

*sigh* Nothing is ever perfect.
Last edited by tommim; Dec 8, 2014 @ 11:23am
Morbidlynx Dec 10, 2014 @ 8:49am 
For somebody who's native tongue isn't english I think you said this better and more thoughtfully than 90 percent of the english speaking community that plays this game. Thank you for your contribution.
i get this allot, i just started playing hawken and i seem to be really good at it, but all i get is HACKER NOOB NO ONE CAN BE GOOD IN A LVL 1 MECH,its like there is no such thing as skill
Originally posted by HBZK100:
Quick tip, if your new and have low reflexes, i highly recommend being a support mech. Technician, rocketeer and a few others are great for peeps that don't do well on the front lines.
Yes I tend to do much better in support role and doing a lot of damage makes it easier for front liners.Its not always the kills but also making it quicker and safer for the fast lites to get more kills.
Originally posted by QC Zer0:
i get this allot, i just started playing hawken and i seem to be really good at it, but all i get is HACKER NOOB NO ONE CAN BE GOOD IN A LVL 1 MECH,its like there is no such thing as skill
Mech level is highly irrelevant. Could have been a brand new mech, could have been a smurf account.
Originally posted by bacon_avenger:
Originally posted by QC Zer0:
i get this allot, i just started playing hawken and i seem to be really good at it, but all i get is HACKER NOOB NO ONE CAN BE GOOD IN A LVL 1 MECH,its like there is no such thing as skill
Mech level is highly irrelevant. Could have been a brand new mech, could have been a smurf account.
Yea take no notice of them its harder to get started now than when I started.
Ambient Jan 9 @ 11:16am 
Should be lucky you can troll each other at all, This game was dead over 4 years ago.
I'm not a nub but I play like one. But when I get hot-headed and come after you, your kill streak ends. then mine does. XD Ya'll know who you are!
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