Satellite Reign

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Graces Dec 14, 2014 @ 6:10pm
Greedy Much?
You fund this game in kickstarter and get over 100k Euros more then you request back in 2013.
then you have the nerve to come into steam and make this a early access, what happened?

What use is kickstarter if you get 100k more then you aim for and then start milking money all over the place elsewhere? i mean you got the money you asked for and then some.
you should have the money to complete this game as a full release.

Its also a punch in the face to the people who acualy stood behind you in the first place. the kickstarters.

Imo this is a abuse on using kickstarter as a crowd funding tool.
Last edited by Graces; Dec 14, 2014 @ 7:33pm
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Wykstromius Dec 14, 2014 @ 7:49pm 
I'm not sure how anyone reasonable could consider this a 'punch in the face' to kickstarter backers as it in no way impacts what they will get from the game. It's a fairly typical move for companies to seek ways of getting more income whenever possible, though, and if it results in an improved game then I'm not sure why greed is even an issue.

Maybe your warped argument would hold some legitimacy if they wanted to re-charge kickstarter backers for the game twice, but I don't see that happening.
76 Dec 14, 2014 @ 7:50pm 
smoke it big boy.
AlreadyDied Dec 14, 2014 @ 7:55pm 
I smell a troll who doesn't even own the game.
Kickstarter funds got it to the stage its at for now, but how long is the rest of that money going to last? They have to pay employees, rent on the offices, internet and phone bills, utility costs, there's maintenance on the computers and other equipment they're using, licenses for the programs they have to use... the list goes on.
Can_GooRoo Dec 14, 2014 @ 8:54pm 
Steam platform is unquie for beta games (i.e. early access), steam have auto-update feature, so backers would be grateful they always up to date and no need more to looking on every single update.

Second reason, developers can expand their audience (most of people don't lurking through kickstarter, but many of them want syndicate-inspired game too.

And third, money, of course. But why? People anyway going to buy it when it released, You buying not beta access, you buying early beta access + potential game. It's only up to you if you want to participiate in EA or wait for full release.

Personally I very inspired by what they make so far, just hope they fix most of bugs as fast as they can, game looks great right now.
WhjiteWolf Dec 14, 2014 @ 9:05pm 
Imagine the rant Graces would write if they 'invested' in Star Citizen. $$$ from lots of different sources. LOL, must be that time of the month. I'm glad it came to early access as all the people who may have missed the kickstarter can join the development today.
How is getting a better game full of more content because they have more money a kick in the face of kickstarter?
Best of luck with Early Access and I'm looking forward to the final result. Looking good so far.
Old syndicate fan!!
Phnx Dec 14, 2014 @ 9:44pm 
Don't feed the troll, lol.
Dr@g0n Dec 14, 2014 @ 9:45pm 
I just wonder, when this game is released as is. Will it continue to be maintained or will it be abandoned after the end starting stages such as early access via pre-alpha via beta via full game release(How much time until this game is completed? Are they saying it will keep expanding as long as its popular so if it becomes un-popular they will pull out and leave the game as-is?). Looks great anyhow i am going to purchase a couple copies in case multiplayer is added.
old fan of the series, i do not remember anything but the graphics which in a good game makes 2d epic and fast paced, and dying alot. yep dying a whole bunch
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Graces Dec 14, 2014 @ 10:37pm 
I can understand alot of peoples view`s and iam not trying to paint this in black. iam really hoping to see this game finished and becoming a success.

Did i buy the game? yes i did as the matter of fact. i Pledged £29.

but iam getting fed upp on games who have this major goals just to vanish after a period of time.
there is countless of examples, il note a few

Starbound, they hoarded in an X amount of money, but seems to slowly fade out now,as the income starts slow down.

Broken Age. and il quote Tim Schafer who made it.
“Even though we received much more money from our Kickstarter than we, or anybody anticipated, that didn’t stop me from getting excited and designing a game so big that it would need even more money"

This guy made a kickstarter goal on 400.000 Dollars, and he recived over 3,336,371 dollars.
Broken age got finished but they also had to make a Early accsess on steam to finish it.

What iam trying to say is, please dont makes such unrealistic goals that the game suddenly comes to a stop in the middle off development. There have been so many of these the last years.




Dr@g0n Dec 14, 2014 @ 11:03pm 
towns game, anyone
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Fenrix Dec 14, 2014 @ 11:29pm 
I admit, I was super annoyed at first with your post. I'd even made a point of not reading the thread until now simply because there's enough ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ going around this forum that this was just entirely over the top. However, its your wording that is where the problem lies. In your follow up post, Graces, you explained what you meant and the moment you mentioned Starbound, I knew exactly what you meant.

Starbound seriously kinda filtered out after a while despite the grand scale of what they were trying to accomplish and really made me glad that I didn't back it on kickstarter (though I did buy it later) for that reason. However, from what I see of the devs for Satellite Reign and with the product they've presented so far, I'm very glad I backed them on this. They seem to have the passion and the ability to deliver on a pretty awesome level. And there's a high level of focus coming from this group whereas say Starbound, that crew has (or have had) a number of other projects going on.

I'd been losing faith in backing kickstarter games as result of slow implementation or shoddy products, but these guys seem to have their ♥♥♥♥ together, so to speak. Time will tell, but I think we're safe :D
Teran Dec 14, 2014 @ 11:42pm 
Originally posted by Graces:
You fund this game in kickstarter and get over 100k Euros more then you request back in 2013.
then you have the nerve to come into steam and make this a early access, what happened?

What use is kickstarter if you get 100k more then you aim for and then start milking money all over the place elsewhere? i mean you got the money you asked for and then some.
you should have the money to complete this game as a full release.

Its also a punch in the face to the people who acualy stood behind you in the first place. the kickstarters.

Imo this is a abuse on using kickstarter as a crowd funding tool.

So... if I am understanding you correctly you believe the development cycle goes like this:

1. Gain a budget via crowd funding or other investors.
2. Take money out into parking lot.
3. Start a large bonfire.
4. Burn all the money in tribute to an old god.
5. Sift through the ashes and find the completed game on a brand new hard drive.
6. Sell to people.

It goes without saying, but this is not how it works.

Game development is a cycle and the game generally needs funding long before there is an actual product to sell... which is where investors come in. Investors are people who have money and decide to invest in an idea they believe will be successful with the desire of getting more money back from selling the finished product than they spent on the original idea.

To simplify even further... Steam sells products. Kickstarter and other crowd sourcing sites give people the opportunity to sell ideas.

Early access is simply a hybrid of the two ideas. You are paying money for a prototype or unfinished product based on what you hope the product will become. These are the people who weren't willing to invest in an idea until there is a clearer picture of what the idea will actually become.

It has nothing to do with greed... and you know what? That word gets thrown around so often these days mischaracterizing things I'm not sure most people even know what greed is anymore.
Graces Dec 15, 2014 @ 12:12am 
Originally posted by Teran:
Originally posted by Graces:
You fund this game in kickstarter and get over 100k Euros more then you request back in 2013.
then you have the nerve to come into steam and make this a early access, what happened?

What use is kickstarter if you get 100k more then you aim for and then start milking money all over the place elsewhere? i mean you got the money you asked for and then some.
you should have the money to complete this game as a full release.

Its also a punch in the face to the people who acualy stood behind you in the first place. the kickstarters.

Imo this is a abuse on using kickstarter as a crowd funding tool.

So... if I am understanding you correctly you believe the development cycle goes like this:

1. Gain a budget via crowd funding or other investors.
2. Take money out into parking lot.
3. Start a large bonfire.
4. Burn all the money in tribute to an old god.
5. Sift through the ashes and find the completed game on a brand new hard drive.
6. Sell to people.

It goes without saying, but this is not how it works.

Game development is a cycle and the game generally needs funding long before there is an actual product to sell... which is where investors come in. Investors are people who have money and decide to invest in an idea they believe will be successful with the desire of getting more money back from selling the finished product than they spent on the original idea.

To simplify even further... Steam sells products. Kickstarter and other crowd sourcing sites give people the opportunity to sell ideas.

Early access is simply a hybrid of the two ideas. You are paying money for a prototype or unfinished product based on what you hope the product will become. These are the people who weren't willing to invest in an idea until there is a clearer picture of what the idea will actually become.

It has nothing to do with greed... and you know what? That word gets thrown around so often these days mischaracterizing things I'm not sure most people even know what greed is anymore.

Really?

i was under the impression that they already got the money for it.... they say so themself acording to their kickstarter page, and you know what.. if the kickstarter page is accurate iam acualy getting more than i bargained for when i pledged my money.
Now they have promised

530.000 Dollars- the initial goal (Main game iam sure)
575.000 Dollars-Syndicate series Composer (Russel shaw)
600.000 Dollars-Localisation Translation
666.000 Dollars-Environmential Destruction

Next in line is 755.000 Dollar - Russell Zimmerman as writer.

So they kinda got they money right?

Again. dont get me wrong. i wish this game all the best and really hope it delivers, but ive seen so many games do the same thing, and then suddenly abandon it, becasue they have to high an ambition.


Last edited by Graces; Dec 15, 2014 @ 1:36am
secuda Dec 15, 2014 @ 2:13am 
Whiny much?
Some one pointed out that Steam is a good platform for releasing their games/beta access, i tend to agree. many companies with KS backing have done that including hard west and Planetary Annihilation. and get some additional funds for those whom missed the kick starter offer. on top of that if you think the price is to much to ask then just add it to your wish list and wait for sale.
Last edited by secuda; Dec 15, 2014 @ 2:14am
ChopSuey™ Dec 15, 2014 @ 2:39am 
and TBH... if you're not keen to see it evolve and come to be a newborn baby, you simply ARE better off waiting for it to get closer to finish. It has a LONG way to go but it looks pretty and definately has a *VERY* similar feel as a successor and that just makes me giddy :)

EDIT: Point being... it makes NO difference to put it up on steam for others to pre-alpha test and support it. In fact, a lot of people don't trust kickstarter and steam is seen as a more 'secure' place. Good on the devs for branching out.
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