Remove Denuvo

[Singh]

No interest in buying this game (or even wishlisting it for that matter) until Denuvo is removed.

I'll also assume some of the technical problems people are complaining about may also be attributed to poor implementation of Denuvo (or perhaps just Denuvo itself) as has been the case repeatedly in the past with other games (that other developers have acknowledged).

[Kamen Rider Build]

Publicado originalmente por CheshAmoeba:

Oh man. Didn’t realize this had Denuvo. Guess I’m not getting it, at least until that’s no longer in it.

i don't think it will be removed ever

[Kamen Rider Build]

Publicado originalmente por ES Khuri:

Fun fact is , they have to pay for Denuvo and most fun fact is , alot of games that release without it Sell more copies even if the game its 5minutes later in some ''free'' webpage.

the thing its easy to see , if you mature enough dont want denuvo and the performance cost and all the trash that thing is in your product that you purchase , so most ppl these last years refuse to pay for any product that gets worse performance just because '' piracy ''.

so you want the ppl to pay 70$ for your game with a DRM you pay to force them pay it but then ppl get mad and doesnt pay the product at launch because of the DRM they hate.

so you lose sales , you lose money on the DRM you purchase 1-2years ( look at Persona 5 or some yakuza games ).

then you see other games release without DRM , it gets pirated? yes , but also ppl that wants it because of an extra online mode , or just to suport the devs because they decided to not push intrusive drm on the game.

so yeah , keep adding denuvo to you games , i follow atlus or sega games but i refuse to pay for denuvo games lately , because the performance cost its not worth it at all.

well, in their books is worthy using Denuvo, so f for you, i will enjoy my collector's edition of metaphor

[Xengre]

Publicado originalmente por CapitalismIsADoomsdayMachine:

Publicado originalmente por DoReMi:

There is proof. Both Empress and Kaldaien specifically blamed CAPCOM's DRM about RE:Village's performance issues. They're both anti-Denuvo so it would be easy to shift the blame to Denuvo, but they didn't.

I get it that it's really convenient to blame Denuvo since CAPCOM's anti-tamper works within it, but it clearly isn't at fault.

This is getting tiresome. Digital Foundry's video and discussion about what was reported to them from the hackers that cracked RE:Village says otherwise which was provided. Meanwhile we have your post substantiated by...nothing.

If you're going to respond, do the work of making your post worth reading, otherwise I'm not interested and neither "he said/ she said" hacker accounting is definitive proof towards anything however it seems reasonable to give priority to the word of the people responsible for the RE:Village hack talking to DF. Also if it's so clearly "provable" that Denuvo had no effect on RE:Village Denuvo/irdeto itself could have responded to DF's findings & allegations by the crackers when they were asked for comment, but they didn't.

In the end one outlier example of capcom's drm vs Denuvo's drm being the main culprit does not erase the numerous other examples of Denuvo's detriment to PC performance, and it's kind of pointless to argue one hacker's word against another's. But I'm sure that won't stop a Denuvo apologist from trying.

What really gets tiresome is people like you spreading misinformation and having to correct it in the 800 different threads you guys post it in despite being shown repeatedly it is incorrect information.

You claim the person who illegally cracked the game and stated what caused the performance issues don't know the cause (they stated it was "not Denuvo, but Capcom's own DRM), but Digital Foundry which stated DRM as the cause and has a section of their article dedicated to pointing out there is Denuvo Anti-Tamper as well as Capcom's DRM and that Digital Foundry, itself, isn't clear as to the cause as "evidence" when they acknowledge they don't even know... is nothing short of irrational.

What really makes this bizarre leap of logic of yours even more impressive is the fact that uh... The cracked version of the game still, in fact, had Denuvo working and only disabled Capcom's own in-house DRM. I mean, hello? This directly discredits your entire stance. FYI, crackers don't disable Denuvo. They bypass it to cracked the DRM under its protection hence Denuvo is an "Anti-Tamper" and not a "DRM". It protects the DRM. Denuvo is still 100% running in cracked games and still going to perform every step until the final step where, instead of using the data it is ignored/discarded essentially. Same performance hit dude.
Digital Foundry's statements on the issue btw for reference: https://www.eurogamer.net/digitalfoundry-2021-resident-evil-village-cracked-performance-beats-official-code

This actually leads into your other incorrect claim supposed "numerous examples of Denuvo harming gaming performance in other games". Those have all been debunked. Quite literally, there is a single existing example that has not been debunked... Tekken 7 for a specific character animation that caused severe lag for players when the specific skill was executed and that was fixed by a patch very quickly afterwards with no clarification if it was, in fact, Denuvo or something else that caused it. The only reason we have any thought of it being Denuvo caused to begin with is because one of the people who worked on it, before it was fixed, claimed it was Denuvo and would be fixed soon. Interestingly, this person has no involvement with oversight of the overall team or tech background and may very well not even know what they're talking about.

This sits outside of the exception known fact that Denuvo can have a 0-6% performance impact (you're talking 1-2 FPS typically) and a slight loading penalty. However, these are such minor impacts it was irrelevant back then and it is definitely more so now with modern hardware.

Publicado originalmente por MMaRsu:

They won't remove it. Yes it's trash but it is what it is.

They actually will, eventually. Current model is subscription so if developer stops paying to renew the license it is removed. This is in contrast to the model several years ago which you paid once off and kept it, with some of those games still having it to this day.

Publicado originalmente por HarkeN:

I love how people can make forum posts about this kind of thing as though it's going to achieve anything other than screaming into the void.

It would be nice, but it's also unlikely.

Yeah, it is a bizarre sight to see some of these users every time these threads pop up and if you search their post history they have like 3,000... sometimes 10,000 anti-Denuvo posts in like 3-4 years of activity. Imagine how frequently they have to comment on Denuvo only topics to achieve this in a 3-4 year span. Crazy.

[BakTheSloth]

purchase it on Xbox, they use their own anti-piracy which does not affect the game performance. Same goes for SMTVengeance and P5R.

[DoReMi]

Publicado originalmente por CapitalismIsADoomsdayMachine:

Publicado originalmente por DoReMi:

There is proof. Both Empress and Kaldaien specifically blamed CAPCOM's DRM about RE:Village's performance issues. They're both anti-Denuvo so it would be easy to shift the blame to Denuvo, but they didn't.

I get it that it's really convenient to blame Denuvo since CAPCOM's anti-tamper works within it, but it clearly isn't at fault.

This is getting tiresome. Digital Foundry's video and discussion about what was reported to them from the hackers that cracked RE:Village says otherwise which was provided. Meanwhile we have your post substantiated by...nothing.

If you're going to respond, do the work of making your post worth reading, otherwise I'm not interested and neither "he said/ she said" hacker accounting is definitive proof towards anything however it seems reasonable to give priority to the word of the people responsible for the RE:Village hack talking to DF. Also if it's so clearly "provable" that Denuvo had no effect on RE:Village Denuvo/irdeto itself could have responded to DF's findings & allegations by the crackers when they were asked for comment, but they didn't.

In the end one outlier example of capcom's drm vs Denuvo's drm being the main culprit does not erase the numerous other examples of Denuvo's detriment to PC performance, and it's kind of pointless to argue one hacker's word against another's. But I'm sure that won't stop a Denuvo apologist from trying.

"If you're going to respond, do the work of making your post worth reading, otherwise I'm not interested".
Why would I give jack **** about your interest? You are not special and you don't know what you're talking about so get off your high horse.

Also, Irdeto had no obligation to answer DF. Sorry to burst your bubble, but Digital Foundry should never be taken seriously, especially after they've become a channel full of nitpickery, drama and clickbaits that brainwash people like you. Maybe you should find another master to blindly follow.

But it's funny that in the end you mention examples Denuvo's "detriment" to PC performance. They aren't relevant to what we're talking about, but I guess you've been brainwashed by DF's exaggerations.

Btw read Xengre's post above me and you may learn something.

[AntiGrieferGames]

Game looks good but sadly it has Denuvo.

Denuvo server was even shutting down adn cant play it anymore. You will own nothing and be happy! You dont even own games on steam here.

[AntiGrieferGames]

If buying is not owning, then piracy is not stealing!

Full Stop!

[AntiGrieferGames]

Publicado originalmente por 𝓡𝒿ℴ𝒓∂𝑖𝓪ɳ🔥:

Publicado originalmente por Singh:

No interest in buying this game (or even wishlisting it for that matter) until Denuvo is removed.

I'll also assume some of the technical problems people are complaining about may also be attributed to poor implementation of Denuvo (or perhaps just Denuvo itself) as has been the case repeatedly in the past with other games (that other developers have acknowledged).

so you can download and crack an illegal copy? nice try
Denuvo is totally harmless to your pc

Its not. Its very harmful. You even dont own on denuvo. When Denuvo server was shutted down, Denuvo Games like Persona 5 and this one cannot play it anymore.

You will own nothing and be happy!

[Inapostle]

Publicado originalmente por AntiGrieferGames:

Publicado originalmente por 𝓡𝒿ℴ𝒓∂𝑖𝓪ɳ🔥:

so you can download and crack an illegal copy? nice try
Denuvo is totally harmless to your pc

Its not. Its very harmful. You even dont own on denuvo. When Denuvo server was shutted down, Denuvo Games like Persona 5 and this one cannot play it anymore.

You will own nothing and be happy!

You know it's true for everything right ? Not just game with Denuvo ?

[WukongPanda]

While I can see both sides of this, my only ever problem is the urge people get to write a post unrpovoked to tell others they arent getting the game

just don't get it...this isn't an airport..no need to announce ur departure from the fandom

[Yes Man]

Publicado originalmente por WukongPanda:

While I can see both sides of this, my only ever problem is the urge people get to write a post unrpovoked to tell others they arent getting the game

just don't get it...this isn't an airport..no need to announce ur departure from the fandom

I just don't get it... OP is private profile... no need to take them serious when 95% of them are behaving literally the same...

[shelledfade]

they added denuvo but didn't even give us antialiasing

[Yhwach]

Publicado originalmente por Inapostle:

Publicado originalmente por AntiGrieferGames:

Its not. Its very harmful. You even dont own on denuvo. When Denuvo server was shutted down, Denuvo Games like Persona 5 and this one cannot play it anymore.

You will own nothing and be happy!

You know it's true for everything right ? Not just game with Denuvo ?

Sure, but that's more specific to the platform for the game itself and Denuvo is more like a built-in online and hardware checking dependence that can break the game, depending on how they treat their closure.

[Diabetes]

Publicado originalmente por Kamen Rider Build:

Publicado originalmente por Cosmic Spirit:

This game costs huge money in many places without regional prices. It's a single player and new brand.
Chances that many people will download it for free instead of buying are really high.

I hate Denuvo too, but in this particular case it's reasonable for sure.

true, i'm tired of denuvo theats, OP we don't care if you buy or not buy the game, just don't said it to us, you don't archieve anything, the sad true it's that sega and atlus don't care our oppionons about denuvo

lmao what an embarrasing cuck you are

[Sparhawk122]

Maybe their implementation of Denuvo is hurting performance and inducing stutter. Because old game engine + Denuvo is not a great recipe for good performance. The game engine can't even support anti aliasing. Or so it appears.