Gina's sister?

[ID]

Considering that this is Machine Games and that the story is made for "modern audiences", will Gina's sister end up being her lesbian lover? I hope it is nothing that tiresome but I think they did something similar with Wolfenstein Old Blood.

I have a bad feeling that there will be an immersion breaking cut-scene. Forcing modern day politics with a compromised Indy is just destructive as seen in the last movie. I mean if you are gay and a fan of Indy, would you not want a story and character that stays true to itself?

[Tanoomba]

There is nothing to be gained by doom and glooming about theoretical worst case scenarios, let alone pinning blame for said scenarios on a presumed desire to appeal to gay people. Why not just wait for the game to release and then we'll know what it's about?

[[Redacted]]

If you're observant enough to notice details and piece together trends with other games catering to the "modern audience" which did have pandering and virtue signaling to certain groups then you can spot certain uncomfortable patterns.

However, I don't think that will be the case here.

This is a Disney / Lucasfilm IP so I predict Gina will be:

• An obligatory strong female character shoehorned into the story trying desperately to leech off of the popularity of the legacy character of the IP.
  
• She will be stronger, smarter and more resourceful than him because of feminist empowerment.
  
• She will win every argument and always get proven right about everything.
  
• She will save Indy and save the day multiple times (you have already seen her save Indy in the trailer).

Basically she will be a self insert for an Italian Kathleen Kennedy. Her sister will probably be some insufferable lady you really don't to save, but kinda feel obligated to do so.

[Oiliender]

Are you allowed to post links here to youtube? There's a video that leaks all the main character bios and guess what..... every "connection" or "guide" or "lead" that Indiana has in the game is through Gina's connections and they're ALL strong empowered feminist cartoon character/stereotypes. Super cringe. I have a feeling the second half of the game is gonna really suck. Also saw a video where game devs were asked about Gina's role in the story and they said she is hugely integral all the way to "the bitter end". What the heck does THAT mean?

[Grimdaddy]

Originally posted by Oiliender:

Are you allowed to post links here to youtube? There's a video that leaks all the main character bios and guess what..... every "connection" or "guide" or "lead" that Indiana has in the game is through Gina's connections and they're ALL strong empowered feminist cartoon character/stereotypes. Super cringe. I have a feeling the second half of the game is gonna really suck. Also saw a video where game devs were asked about Gina's role in the story and they said she is hugely integral all the way to "the bitter end". What the heck does THAT mean?

You can post YT links, yes - I for one would love to see that video, it sounds interesting and humorous, as well as contributing to helping us form a picture of what this game is really all about.

That 'bitter end' really intrigues me

[Fredwick]

Originally posted by Grimdaddy:

Originally posted by Oiliender:

Are you allowed to post links here to youtube? There's a video that leaks all the main character bios and guess what..... every "connection" or "guide" or "lead" that Indiana has in the game is through Gina's connections and they're ALL strong empowered feminist cartoon character/stereotypes. Super cringe. I have a feeling the second half of the game is gonna really suck. Also saw a video where game devs were asked about Gina's role in the story and they said she is hugely integral all the way to "the bitter end". What the heck does THAT mean?

You can post YT links, yes - I for one would love to see that video, it sounds interesting and humorous, as well as contributing to helping us form a picture of what this game is really all about.

That 'bitter end' really intrigues me :laughing_yeti:

https://youtu.be/mbU8WGpJfRw?si=cadbgI7-4c-NXQfY

Not really a leak but here you are

[Grimdaddy]

Originally posted by Fredwick:

Originally posted by Grimdaddy:

You can post YT links, yes - I for one would love to see that video, it sounds interesting and humorous, as well as contributing to helping us form a picture of what this game is really all about.

That 'bitter end' really intrigues me

https://youtu.be/mbU8WGpJfRw?si=cadbgI7-4c-NXQfY

Not really a leak but here you are

Very cool, thanks Fredwick!

Edit: Wow, some of the writing in those bios was really... not great. Some of it very clunky, and childishly basic. But some of it was at least boilerplate standard for an adventure story. Mildly optimistic that the environments look quite decent and authentic, even if the NPC models look a bit primitive here and there. Interested to see how it will turn out.

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I will probably pick this game up when it's on deep sale, if the full release sales numbers are bad then that might be sooner than we think.

Yea, a lot of the character personification is mid tier cookie cutter feminist stereotypes.

Of course we can't have an Indy adventure without an overbearing strong and independent woman stringing him along in her journey.

I mean whose hero's journey and character arc is this for, Indy or Gina? Perhaps Pailin, the rebel leader, another obligatory strong female character?

[Archangel]

Originally posted by Oiliender:

Are you allowed to post links here to youtube? There's a video that leaks all the main character bios and guess what..... every "connection" or "guide" or "lead" that Indiana has in the game is through Gina's connections and they're ALL strong empowered feminist cartoon character/stereotypes. Super cringe. I have a feeling the second half of the game is gonna really suck. Also saw a video where game devs were asked about Gina's role in the story and they said she is hugely integral all the way to "the bitter end". What the heck does THAT mean?

Leaks from YouTube outrage merchants aren’t reliable in the slightest. Content parasites earn their living peddling negativity because it gets more views.

[Tanoomba]

Originally posted by Redacted:

Yea, a lot of the character personification is mid tier cookie cutter feminist stereotypes.

You mean like the 80-pound woman who can out-drink a very large man?

[Grimdaddy]

Originally posted by Archangel:

Leaks from YouTube outrage merchants aren’t reliable in the slightest. Content parasites earn their living peddling negativity because it gets more views.

Is there one from these 'outrage merchants' that I missed? I have just seen stuff such as the one linked above.

[Fredwick]

Originally posted by Grimdaddy:

Edit: Wow, some of the writing in those bios was really... not great. Some of it very clunky, and childishly basic. But some of it was at least boilerplate standard for an adventure story. Mildly optimistic that the environments look quite decent and authentic, even if the NPC models look a bit primitive here and there. Interested to see how it will turn out.

I agree the writing in the bios was childish, and the sets look a lot better than characters. Personally I want something more gritty and mature (wolfenstein sex scenes cough cough) but I guess I'll live with sharing games with gen alpha..

I did think they nailed (or did good enough on) the Spielbergian lighting/cinematography (from the very first trailer, the shot where Indy and Gina hides behind a box observing - and the very last shot of Indy saying "the great circle".). Sounds nerdy but those shots did convince me to pre-order the game.

Btw, the Choo-choo trailer completely turned me off - the graphics were just a mess. I hope that wasn't representative of the final quality.

[Tanoomba]

The writing for the bios was fine. They were quick, basic snippets to give people a general idea of who the main cast of characters is and what they're about. There was nothing at all to indicate that these characters were written any differently from any of the other characters in any other Indy movie.

[Oiliender]

Originally posted by Tanoomba:

The writing for the bios was fine. They were quick, basic snippets to give people a general idea of who the main cast of characters is and what they're about. There was nothing at all to indicate that these characters were written any differently from any of the other characters in any other Indy movie.

I agree that the character writing is fine, and that it's realistic: Women did indeed participate in and lead resistance movements in Italy in 1937. My issue is that some of them were Communist resistance fighters, and I don't want to root for them either. If the characters in the game don't subtly push Communist talking points then I'll likely enjoy the experience. I also don't want an over-focus on female resistance fighters in Italy because that's NOT why I enjoy Indiana Jones stories.

[Oiliender]

Originally posted by Tanoomba:

Originally posted by Redacted:

Yea, a lot of the character personification is mid tier cookie cutter feminist stereotypes.

You mean like the 80-pound woman who can out-drink a very large man?

Excellent point. However, the WAY that these strong traits are communicated to the audience is important. Marion was funny and entertaining, charismatic. Elsa and Willie were, too. Also, they were the romantic interest of Indiana Jones, the American "James Bond". I highly doubt Gina will be a romantic interest for Indy, as the feminist parameters can't allow that.

[Grimdaddy]

Originally posted by Oiliender:

Excellent point. However, the WAY that these strong traits are communicated to the audience is important. Marion was funny and entertaining, charismatic. Elsa and Willie were, too. Also, they were the romantic interest of Indiana Jones, the American "James Bond". I highly doubt Gina will be a romantic interest for Indy, as the feminist parameters can't allow that.

Indeed. In addition, Marion was given backstory/background to justify her enhanced tolerance. In modernity, no rational reason would be given - the character is simply that awesome, and is the best at that activity the same way she is at every other activity, ever.

To question this lazy writing in any way is derided as sexist or worse.