The Talos Principle

The Talos Principle

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virtualbill Sep 28, 2017 @ 9:55am
Somebody explain this to me
I have been running benchmarks on three machines.
One is a laptop with a GTX970M =40FPS core i7 6700HD
One is a Dell T3500 with a GTX 1050ti =67FPS Xeon Q5687
One is a Z270 board with a GTX 1060 = 99FPS Corei5 7600K
Then, on a lark, I moved the Core i5 to an Asus B250M-A board. And put a Radeon RX560 on it I got dirt cheap. Result: 146FPS.

What I want to know is how RX560 manages this when every benchmark test I have seen online says It is slower than either the GTX1060 or the GTX1050ti?
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󠀡󠀡RsinX Sep 28, 2017 @ 9:27pm 
Computations are weird sometimes.. 🤓
It must be the "highly compatible combo" of the i5 + RX560..???
The Intel & AMD configuration must be in love with each other, 😵 lol :steammocking:

..on the other hand, I have a i7 7700k + GTX1080 and get 144 fps max, which is the max HZ of my monitor. (27", 1440p, 1ms, 144hz)
..144 fps at 144hz is sooooo smoooooooooth! :steamhappy:
But if I disable Vsync, it'll get around 170'ish max (in certain perspectives) (on highest settings)
Last edited by 󠀡󠀡RsinX; Sep 28, 2017 @ 9:31pm
Uber Conan Sep 28, 2017 @ 9:30pm 
My guess would be that either Talos has some graphic instructions that are Radeon-specific, or the benchmark tests you're referencing use software that's nVidia-specific and results in the difference. The RX560 is newer than the other two, so it's not mindblowing if it happened to outperform them. You didn't reference what the memory is for any of the video cards, so that could be another factor.
-=Sylvain83=- Sep 29, 2017 @ 12:53pm 
Are you using Vulkan API?
AMD cards are very effective in this API, i think.
virtualbill Sep 29, 2017 @ 3:31pm 
No Vulkan, just directX. The GTX 1050ti and the RX 560 both have 4 gig of RAM; the GTX 1060 has 3 gig of RAM.

Strangely, I just put together a corei7-7700, myself, but it will be using the GTX1060. It is together, but not yet running. It's on the Gigabyte Z270 board.
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virtualbill Sep 29, 2017 @ 8:28pm 
Experiment 2: I put the rx560 in the Dell T3500. This has a pci-e level 2 slot rather than the pci-e 3 slot on the b250m board. It still cranked out 140FPS even with the handicap. More than twice what the GTX1050ti could do. This card rocks on this particular game. Haven't tried anything else yet.
SeriousCCIE Oct 4, 2017 @ 1:48pm 
make sure the pcie lanes on the other boards are not being utilitized or otherwise shared by other devices.

I had to balance my video cards to get my nvme switch/pcie card to use all 16 lanes properly; otherwise it gimped my speeds. I had to map out what slots had a direct path and what ones shared, then avoid using the shared slots.

i have an x79 motherboard and needed an nvme adapter to utilize that sort of storage, and I had to balance its blacement against what the pcie cards were doing to maintain the 16x/16x and still get some left for the x16 worth of nvme. it's not ideal--after all, nvme isnt designed to work on this platform and all that. still, its doing pretty well despite the limitations.

keep in mind what the lane count is, what the slots your using are, and how they supply that data to the CPU. the SATA/ethernet and all of that uses lanes too, so it could very well be that your card is well positioned in the MB you've chosen and picking another slot that may have more lanes available to it despite all of them probably saying pcie 3.0 x16.

Electrically, yes, add them up and use them all at once with no performance drop, no..


virtualbill Oct 4, 2017 @ 2:06pm 
I'm not on your level, but all the pcie slots on all the boards are used only for video and only one card. The T3500 has two Pci-e 16x slots, but does not support SLI or crossffire. The Z270 board supports both, but I haven't tried it. The B250M has only one PCI-E 16x slot.
Seamus Oct 4, 2017 @ 5:28pm 
The 7600k only HAS 16 pcie lanes. If you've got ANYTHING else using pci-e in the system, it's killing your gpu throughput. That means M.2 Sata drives, any 1x or 4x pci-e cards, etc.
virtualbill Oct 4, 2017 @ 5:43pm 
How about a q5687 Xeon? I do have an evo 960 m.2 drive on the b250m, but the rx560 still got 144fps in the Talos benchmark. The GTX 1050ti got 67 fps. The GTX1060 got 99fps.
Seamus Oct 4, 2017 @ 5:48pm 
The only xeon I could find listing of with 5687 in the name is an old X58 cpu from 2011. If that's what it is, zero on there, it's from before there were dedicated lanes on the chip.The chipset has 36 total, though.

Intel has gotten REALLY bad about skimping on pcie lanes on anything that isn't a xeon. It's rather ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥t, honestly.
virtualbill Oct 4, 2017 @ 6:06pm 
Yes it is an old Xeon, but that is what is in the Dell T3500, where the rx560 currently resides. I have another old Xeon I could use also: W3670 3.2ghz hex core. 24 gig of RAM in that old T3500, also. And two SSDs. It's a workhorse.
Seamus Oct 4, 2017 @ 8:10pm 
Xeons hold up surprisingly well. As for the rx 560, I really feel people don't give it enough credit. Yeah, it's the same architecture as the rx 400 cards, but, it's a hell of a workhorse and if you've got a third party one, they generally have some decent wiggle room to push them past stock settings nicely.
virtualbill Oct 4, 2017 @ 10:19pm 
Well, I'd like to have the 8gb rx580, but that's another story.
DEN [CT]  [developer] Oct 10, 2017 @ 5:16am 
OP, are you sure you testing with same performance settings?
virtualbill Oct 11, 2017 @ 1:52pm 
Yes, I checked each time. I also tried it on two different machines. Virtually the same results on both. Are you, as a developer, surprised at my results?
Last edited by virtualbill; Oct 11, 2017 @ 1:56pm
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