Serious Sam 4

Serious Sam 4

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About the situation here
Yet another post has been locked due to people going on outbursts.

It is so disappointing and frustrating to see that the moderation in these forums doesn't work as it should, but it is even more disappointing to see that such people who don't even realize what they're doing exist in this world, and they're allowed to type whatever they want without following the rules.

I'm tired of seeing problems not getting fixed at root, it is inacceptable.

You get people who are trying to enforce statements that are straight off wrong, pass them off for opinions and play the victim when they are proved wrong. The same thing applies to people who have an actual opinion but they try to force it to everyone else, and play the victim if you don't agree with it. People who expect to have the right to talk here but then expect other people to NOT put any thought or argument into discussion.

I was acting against 2 people, including rad, because they were acting disrespectfully and trying to enforce thoughts, it didn't pass so much time before some "warriors" came on high horse defending them, attacking me and putting words I have NEVER said in my mouth, making me look like a mean person. So they're entitled to act disrespectfully and force their thoughts no matter what, expecting them to not being put into discussion, otherwise you're a bully and they're entitled to go on outbursts and rage spree in that case.

This is not what I call proper and civil discussion. This is what I call a muddle. I have seen over the past years people telling me to just use the block function or to just ignore those people and stop engaging with those people. Why are they completely allowed to go out of control and keep violating Steam Rules and Guidelines, while we people who just want proper discussion and criticism can't even defend ourselves before getting attacked from all fronts?

It is even more unacceptable when people try to show their own "opinions" about objective matters, like programming and other specialized contexts. It already happened and not only with me, but there was a person who was trying to contradict what I believe was an engine programmer's statement about shading (it was in 2018 afaik, in SSF forums) without even knowing how to initialize D3D.

In short, too much victimism, too much misunderstanding, too much conceit, ego and self-confidence in some people who act like I have mentioned above.

I wish that this situation will change one day or another, but for now it is just a hopeless huge mess.
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Jhinius Mar 19 @ 1:10pm 
i guess SOME people are just stubborn nowadays. i am one of the witnesses of Rad's outbursts and i have to say that you can't really defend the guy.
I have to agree with your points, Melody. If all goes wrong and the moderators don't ban the violators of Steam rules and guidelines, they are not doing what they need to prevent these apocalyptic situations correctly. I'm looking at you, Danny.

And I'm tired of trolls attacking people I know and trust and doing what they can to make others look like enemies to them.

This. Needs. To stop. Right. Now.
Last edited by PootisMayo; Mar 19 @ 1:30pm
People are going on outburst because there is actually nothing on-topic for too long, to discuss.
Originally posted by Serious Sam(BG):
People are going on outburst because there is actually nothing on-topic for too long, to discuss.
And because they tend to act ignorant and do the actions Melody mentioned in the OP.
JellySnek Mar 19 @ 10:42pm 
I don't understand why this topic exists and why there is a need to announce anything here. The topic and everything in between should've ended after Valve employee has intervened, yet here we are.

To me it feels like the usual people who cause trouble are acting like everyone around them is bad and they are perfect. I mean, any conversation is quite unpleasant to have with any of those people.

Here's what I think, not that anyone cares, but I'll say it anyway:

Unfortunetly Melody, you come off as extremely unpleasant person to be speak with. I can understand having knowledge and such, but you tell others they are victimising themselves, and yet here you are playing a victim of the "victims" that you so despise.

Originally posted by Melody 💙:
I was acting against 2 people, including rad, because they were acting disrespectfully and trying to enforce thoughts, it didn't pass so much time before some "warriors" came on high horse defending them, attacking me and putting words I have NEVER said in my mouth, making me look like a mean person.

I mean right here you kinda played victim card. You aren't necessairly mean, just extremely unpleasant and come off as someone that isn't really fun to talk to. Y'know, the type of nerd (and I love nerds, don't get me wrong or get offended), who gets pissy at people when they say something wrong on the topic you're good at/interested in. Again, I understand when people want to pass off something as fact, when they are objectively wrong. That happens everywhere. We shouldn't however insult them (not saying you did though), instead try to show them why they are wrong with facts and proof. If they ignore facts, that means they aren't worth your time, and that is when we move on.

I already know your reply too, how wrong I am and how this isn't a conversation and how you tried to have decent conversation. I don't care. I'm sorry if you feel that way but you are part of the problem. You drive people away from the forums, and you constantly make these forums unpleasant to be in with your attitude.

You aren't someone who knows everything. I will be blunt, you come off as narcissist in all the topics you talk in and honestly I'll stop acknowledging you after this post. I've tried to be reasonable with you, and Terepin and tried to stop this mindless war between people, but with this post you've proven to me that you aren't worth my time to speak to because you don't care to improve. You becuase of this post, Terepin because he thinks "shaking people down" is real world. Which is why it's a waste of time to talk to you two. Give me a break. Attitude is the reason not many people want to talk here, not just lack of topics, but in legit disgust at how the general attitude of some people is here, including yours.

Pootis atleast has some semblence of understanding which I really appreciate. I wish atleast Pootis realised that he can be better, because I sure as hell can't see you or Terepin improving anytime soon. Oh right forgot I will be called snowflake for wanting people to have a civil discussion without insults or personal attacks.. forgot as well that this post will be used as me apperantly attacking people, when I only really want to express my distaste of certain behaviours, and it just so happens that Terepin is actually the worst case here. I've seen him get attacked for his opinions, which I believe isn't good whatsoever, because he has valid points at times that are damn good, but retaliation with anger and insults isn't an answer.

I understand wanting to fight fire with fire and I understand having my opinion stomped on by people, I've been there too. This method, however, doesn't work and is the main reason why so many topics spiral into incoherent ramblings of people who just can't let go. Then they get locked, resulting in creating topics such as this one that ramble about issues /YOU HAVE CREATED/ by being unable to walk away earlier. I am hypocrite here for not walking away myself, which is fine, I'll take that as valid point against my case here.

I will say this again:

You are just unpleasant, but that's fine. Not everyone will get along and not everyone will like each other. I certainly don't like you and again, that's fine, you don't care, I don't care, let's leave it at that.

Unfortunetly all you will do is tell me how wrong I am, which is fine I suppose. I don't claim to know everything and I dont' claim to be perfect nor be a moral sermon or have any moral high ground. I only express my distaste. The problem is however not only Rad, but also you. You just can't let go, can you? You just can't help yourself and redirect all the negitivity towards one person (which btw, hasn't replied in the 10 hours this topic existed).

I mean Rad hasn't said a word, so already he's kinda better than you, because you keep on digging, while he sits in the back not sayign a word. I hope he won't say a word too, becuase that would be proof he's actually willing to improve. Others here? I don't know you that well so I don't count, but rest of y'all seem alright so far.

I only want to discuss Serious Sam 4 from now on. Game I am excited about. Game I wish devs improved in ways that people want. Heck, even dynamic skyboxes as Terepin wants them in. I grew to appreciate good skybox as soon as I've seen what Red Dead Redemption 2 did with it's incredible skies. However I believe for now it's best to just chill and try to get along.

I may be harsh, and may dislike some people, but I am not going to hate on y'all. I just want this game to be good and want to be able to play with as many of you on MP as possible once this releases.

Cheers.
Last edited by JellySnek; Mar 20 @ 1:30am
Look, Melody wasn't playing victim in this case. If you haven't understood the post completely, she was trying to resolve the issue not because she was mean, but because she wants CIVILITY in the forums. Making Melody look like a mean person by putting words she never said in her mouth just doesn't solve anything. It makes everything even worse.

For the last time, rad87gn is the root of the problem, and the only reason he unexpectedly goes on a juggernaut of an outburst every now and then is because he wants his opinion to always be correct and attacks others who prove him wrong. I can't even count how many times Melody stated she never attacked him. Rad87gn alone is the most toxic of the users in this community and has been ever since the beginning of Serious Sam Fusion.

The only Croteam moderator in the SS4 discussions is Danny and he needs to put an end to rad's reign of terror immediately.
Last edited by PootisMayo; Mar 20 @ 7:26am
Originally posted by PootisMayo:
Look, Melody wasn't playing victim in this case. If you haven't understood the post completely, she was trying to resolve the issue not because she was mean, but because she wants CIVILITY in the forums. Making Melody look like a mean person by putting words she never said in her mouth just doesn't solve anything. It makes everything even worse.

For the last time, rad87gn is the root of the problem, and the only reason he unexpectedly goes on a juggernaut of an outburst every now and then is because he wants his opinion to always be correct and attacks others who prove him wrong. I can't even count how many times Melody stated she never attacked him. Rad87gn alone is the most toxic of the users in this community and has been ever since the beginning of Serious Sam Fusion.

The only Croteam moderator in the SS4 discussions is Danny and he needs to put an end to rad's reign of terror immediately.

It's okay, just explained how I see things personally. I don't like her attitude and therefore don't really enjoy talking to her.

I still think it would be marvellous if we all just got along. I have nothing against you, even Terepin, I actually can see myself enjoying talking to Terepin if he didn't explode at people and just avoided reply when there's no need for one, because the guy has damn good points at times.

What I am trying to say is that her post doesn't resolve anything and continues hate bandwagon on singular person. I understand grievances but creating post just to point fingers is opposite of solving issues.

My last post here. I appreciate you making situation clearer to me, I may have gone a bit over the top, for which I apologise for, and I apologise to Melody if I offended her in any way. Wasn't my intention, just how I see things. I feel that way about them but not to the point of being unable to forgive and forget. Same for Terepin.
Last edited by JellySnek; Mar 20 @ 7:49am
And when you have nothing to counter-argument with, you just say "then why are you doing it?", "there is block button", "just don't engage with them" as an attempt to defend your back (sorry for the word). That's not the point. If I have to follow the rules, they ALSO have to follow the rules, I'm not the black sheep here who has to follow the rules while everyone else can be entitled to do anything they want, that's not how it works. If I'm following the rules, I will make sure they do as well and do anything I can to restore proper civil discussing in this forum.

You can say I'm way too determined, settled or obsessed about this, well I am. If that's your argument and you're not, why are you even typing papyruses here? Yes I am obsessed, meaning I like Croteam's games and I like what they do and I want to be able to talk here with other people and discuss. Seeing that taken away from me isn't a good thing, and I will obviously do anything I can to help CT recovering the situation by preventing all those people from ruining everything.

People are just conceited about the fact that I, or Terepin, or anyone who just likes constructive discussion, act "mean" and "explode at people" but you don't even say the context we do that in. When people try to force their own opinion, act asshat or pretend that something wrong they say is right, in that case they're completely entitled to do that, but when we make those people face reality and they start playing victims, we are the mean people in that situation and never them. Those are people who don't even expect their ideas or arguments to be put in discussion here, which is instead the point of Steam Discussions. I'm very disappointed to see how people go on high horse defending them and not us, even though they're the ones causing all this, and then useful posts unavoidably get locked because of them and you who are defending them.

Terepin, me and some other people are the ones who are actually providing very good criticism, ideas and suggestions, and we're able to counter-argument with actual arguments, instead of saying "waah you're mean", "you're attacking me", "you're a bully" etc. just because you're trying to discuss something we have said.
Boocheus Mar 20 @ 9:29am 
Its funny how people when people cant cry to the mods because (waaa i cant handle opinions) they just suck up to the big daddy of the thread
Also I want to say something that is a bit unrelated with this and I will actually brag a bit. It is actually so so funny how people come here telling me that I'm unpleasant, all this and all that, I'm a mean person, so unfriendly.

Then I apparently have countless amount of friends, helped each one of them with programming or other things, a discord server with over 110 members, in which a total amount of 5 people are banned. I host servers for free without asking anything in return and I'm helping developers and communities, such as Revi, to grow and do their job, without asking anything in return. I blindly provide help to everyone asking me, programming, hosting, setting up stuff, tweaking and even medical stuff (I study neurology and psychology).

An unpleasant, so bad and mean, person would never do that.

Either some people have very twisted and confused ideas about people, or they are the bad people here. Just a remark I wanted to make. And I want to also specify that everything I say, I say that in good intention, I haven't in fact personally attacked anyone, but I'm always open to proper conversation.
Last edited by Melody 💙; Mar 20 @ 12:55pm
It's also a big shame that people tend to fight behind the moderators' backs and the moderators never do anything to stop it.
rad87gn Mar 22 @ 3:01am 
I've read everything here but I have zero comment.

FYI - Melody might like. Serious Saturdays has been removed from my server hosting. UFO group only going forward.
Last edited by rad87gn; Mar 22 @ 4:11am
Originally posted by rad87gn:
FYI - Melody might like. Serious Saturdays has been removed from my server hosting. UFO group only going forward.
That's a very good action from your side, I'm sure you finally realized how toxic they behave.
IIIIDANNYIIII  [developer] Mar 23 @ 6:46am 
I'm not going to name all names, you know who you are, but if I banned everyone who made these forums a not-welcoming place to stay, many from this thread would be long gone.

I do my best to keep our forums as welcoming to new players as possible. I lock threads, maybe I should start banning.

I will lock this thread as well, as it's neither fun to read, constructive or valuable to the Serious Sam community or SS4 forums.
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