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To the whiners (AKA transphobes)
So, the whiners are still at it, complaining about “politics in mah games” (Usual remark about MGS, FFVII, Bioshock, blah, blah, already done) or "the trans".

There was also a good deal of “BuT THeY aRe mEntally Ill” ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥t. So, for these ignorant ♥♥♥♥♥tain, I will give them (again for some) the actual science they pretend to defend:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-07238-8
https://www.nature.com/news/sex-redefined-1.16943
https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-families/gender-dysphoria/what-is-gender-dysphoria
https://www.apa.org/pi/lgbt/programs/transgender/index?tab=1

Too bad actual science is supportive and affirming of trans people.

And for the false equivalencies like “BuT tHe NaZI FlaG iS tHrEe ColOR toO!”, here’s my answer:

-One show support toward a marginalised group that is actively legislated against in many countries, including the US. And for who, simply living as they are, means facing death threat (or outright get killed), harassment, the whole she-bang.

-The other represent a group actively trying to kill the former (along with many other and their allies) for no justifiable reason other than being massive, ignorant, ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥s.

But yeah, totally the same thing

https://twitter.com/dril/status/473265809079693312

The dev can put any kind of message, tied or not to the story, as they want. It’s their game.

Or do you want to censor them?

And yes, if they putted any kind of racist/etc stuff in it, it would be okay to call them out, for the reason described above.

And last point, for the “BuT tHInk oF tHe CHilDren!!!”:

Talking about those issues won’t make them LGBT+ or anything by magic. Nor it is inappropriate. It’s perfectly fine to talk to them about those issues, they will encounter them at some point in their lives. They will be simply be more educated/prepared and less likely to act like the ignorant little stain you are.

It’s no different than teaching them to be respectful and not use racial slur or other equivalent behaviour.

But yeah, I get it. You don’t hate trans people (or any other group). You just want them to be invisible, censor any kind of token support going their way and make sure they don’t get vocal about their discrimination.

But you don’t hate them. Right?

Anyway. Thanks to Gear for Breakfast for being, basically, decent people.

Because that’s all they are doing by putting that flag in there.

And please, call me a NPC or White Knight or any other vacuous insult you have.

It's funny to watch your struggle with basic decency.

Edit: And sorry to the rest of the forum for making this thread and keeping the topic alive for a little longer.
Last edited by Shoggoth; May 13 @ 2:31pm
Originally posted by ProJared's Divorce Papers:
There's also one more argument that intersects with "BuT tHInk oF tHe CHilDren!!!" that I would like to address for you, "tHiS gAMe iS mARkeTeD toWArdS/iS fOR chILdREN!!!".

Who said that games for children can't invoke heavier subject matter or make reference to stuff like the three lines of graffiti? Disney/Pixar films, something that comes to mind when I think "stuff for children", have covered events like the deaths of parental figures (The Lion King), the massacre of one's wife and children and the search for your missing last surviving child (Finding Nemo), and the ecological destruction of Earth at the hands of apathetic corporate interest (Wall-E).

If an easily-missed minor nod to a marginalized group is not OK, then none of these themes in these stories are OK.

Plus, the game is marketed towards fans of old-school collectathons, why else would there be a Kickstarter that likened the game to classics like Banjo-Kazooie and got Grant Kirkhope on board? The game wouldn't have even existed without that audience. "E for Everyone" doesn't mean "marketed towards kids".
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this game has a rainbow flag and a trans flag in it and who knows what else. lame. won't give my money to meme devs
All this fuss abotu politic remember me a old picture from a journal where a family was eating together happily when suddenly they talked politic and was to each other throat.

Can we please stop both side about the damn flag.
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There's also one more argument that intersects with "BuT tHInk oF tHe CHilDren!!!" that I would like to address for you, "tHiS gAMe iS mARkeTeD toWArdS/iS fOR chILdREN!!!".

Who said that games for children can't invoke heavier subject matter or make reference to stuff like the three lines of graffiti? Disney/Pixar films, something that comes to mind when I think "stuff for children", have covered events like the deaths of parental figures (The Lion King), the massacre of one's wife and children and the search for your missing last surviving child (Finding Nemo), and the ecological destruction of Earth at the hands of apathetic corporate interest (Wall-E).

If an easily-missed minor nod to a marginalized group is not OK, then none of these themes in these stories are OK.

Plus, the game is marketed towards fans of old-school collectathons, why else would there be a Kickstarter that likened the game to classics like Banjo-Kazooie and got Grant Kirkhope on board? The game wouldn't have even existed without that audience. "E for Everyone" doesn't mean "marketed towards kids".
Last edited by ProJared's Divorce Papers; May 13 @ 2:32pm
Originally posted by zero:
Originally posted by ¹²³⁴nick:
this game has a rainbow flag and a trans flag in it and who knows what else. lame. won't give my money to meme devs
you already did buddy, we can see you bought the game.

yep, got the base game from a humble monthly subscription and one of the dlc with humble store credit. i wasn't aware i was getting dumb political references mixed in with a n64 style platformer of all things, so i'll have to be more careful in the future
zero May 13 @ 2:38pm 
Originally posted by ¹²³⁴nick:
Originally posted by zero:
you already did buddy, we can see you bought the game.

yep, got the base game from a humble monthly subscription and one of the dlc with humble store credit. i wasn't aware i was getting dumb political references mixed in with a n64 style platformer of all things, so i'll have to be more careful in the future
so you paid for it, gotcha

Originally posted by party_steve:
hate speech
yawn
Shoggoth May 13 @ 2:38pm 
Originally posted by Faustika:
you literally put links proving that trans are mentally ill you ♥♥♥♥ing imbecile.

"Treatment options for gender dysphoria include counseling, cross-sex hormones, puberty suppression and gender reassignment surgery."

So, you treat the "delusion" of a "man" thinking they are a woman by making sure they get the body of a woman?

Learn to read. the only issue medical issue with trans people is gender dysphoria (and not all of them have it or on the same level) and you treat it like the quote say.
Last edited by Shoggoth; May 13 @ 2:39pm
Originally posted by zero:
Originally posted by ¹²³⁴nick:
yep, got the base game from a humble monthly subscription and one of the dlc with humble store credit. i wasn't aware i was getting dumb political references mixed in with a n64 style platformer of all things, so i'll have to be more careful in the future
so you paid for it, gotcha

basically yes. and i can't get a refund because i got it from humble. lesson learned, even games marketed as nineties collectathons can have current politics stuck in em
zero May 13 @ 2:53pm 
Originally posted by ¹²³⁴nick:
Originally posted by zero:
so you paid for it, gotcha

basically yes. and i can't get a refund because i got it from humble. lesson learned, even games marketed as nineties collectathons can have current politics stuck in em
you say as if all games don't refrence reality, kind of a foolish idealism to have there, but you do you.

art imitates life, to not do so is a diservice to the work you are making, so good luck finding games that don't refence important societal moments, such as this
dabhdude May 13 @ 2:58pm 
Gee, I wonder why I didn't want stuff like this in the game? It's almost like I had guessed it would cause the fanbase of this game to nearly implode and cause a civil war like it has.
I'm fine with the flag being in there. But plenty of people aren't, and plenty of other people actively support the flag being in the game. Even though I can't really say this to anyone but myself, I called this.
I KNEW that should something like this happen, we'd get something like this, and "If you disagree, you're ______-phobic." or, if it were right leaning "Ha! Liberal snowflake!"
The last place I had wanted this was here, tearing apart the fanbase of a fun and cute as heck game...but here we are, I guess.
i thought i had explored every nook of mario 64 but i guess i missed some hidden iconography about what people in certain circles are doing with their private parts
First, putting a image on a wall in a game isn't support, it's acknowledgement at most & a reference at least.

Second, it's absolutely political. It's the symbol of a political interest group that says they speak for trans-people when they were never elected to represent anyone. And people just accepted that they represent trans-people for no reason other than they were the loudest mob that brought it up first.

They're unelected representatives that've appropriated an entire minority group to shore up their agenda. You can't seriously say the group that rallies behind that flag represents all trans-people. They represent no one but themselves.

My problem isn't the presence of themes or "representation" (whatever that means), it's the inclusion of the symbol of a dubious political group. That said, I'm perfectly willing to give Gears for Breakfast the benefit of the doubt that it's just an empty surface level "feel good" inclusionary nod.
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zero May 13 @ 3:26pm 
Originally posted by dabhdude:
Gee, I wonder why I didn't want stuff like this in the game? It's almost like I had guessed it would cause the fanbase of this game to nearly implode and cause a civil war like it has.
I'm fine with the flag being in there. But plenty of people aren't, and plenty of other people actively support the flag being in the game. Even though I can't really say this to anyone but myself, I called this.
I KNEW that should something like this happen, we'd get something like this, and "If you disagree, you're ______-phobic." or, if it were right leaning "Ha! Liberal snowflake!"
The last place I had wanted this was here, tearing apart the fanbase of a fun and cute as heck game...but here we are, I guess.
yeah no, the fanbase didn't cause nothing, hateful people did, yawn.

people are people and as such bigots will exist no matter where you are, but that doesn't mean it doesn't deserve to be there, trans people exist, they are gonna contiune existing, if that gets your goat, its you that is the problem, not 5 bands of color on a wall in a game.

Originally posted by DrainoMyBraino:
doesn't understand that organizations do not need to be written down on paper to be legitmate organizations and doesn't even seem to understand that the group even supports, yet speaks as if they do
yawn
Last edited by zero; May 13 @ 3:31pm
dabhdude May 13 @ 3:32pm 
Originally posted by zero:
Originally posted by dabhdude:
Gee, I wonder why I didn't want stuff like this in the game? It's almost like I had guessed it would cause the fanbase of this game to nearly implode and cause a civil war like it has.
I'm fine with the flag being in there. But plenty of people aren't, and plenty of other people actively support the flag being in the game. Even though I can't really say this to anyone but myself, I called this.
I KNEW that should something like this happen, we'd get something like this, and "If you disagree, you're ______-phobic." or, if it were right leaning "Ha! Liberal snowflake!"
The last place I had wanted this was here, tearing apart the fanbase of a fun and cute as heck game...but here we are, I guess.
yeah no, the fanbase didn't cause nothing, hateful people did, yawn.

people are people and as such bigots will exist no matter where you are, but that doesn't mean it doesn't deserve to be there, trans people exist, they are gonna contiune existing, if that gets your goat, its you that is the problem, not 5 bands of color on a wall in a game.
A large chunk of the people I've found talking about this don't even hate trans people. Most of them, in fact, don't hate them. Do you have some outliers? Of course. But most of them don't want to be reminded of it out of nowhere. They want to ESCAPE from reality, not be reminded of it.
But wait, nevermind. I guess that just makes them hateful, huh?
zero May 13 @ 3:35pm 
Originally posted by dabhdude:
Originally posted by zero:
yeah no, the fanbase didn't cause nothing, hateful people did, yawn.

people are people and as such bigots will exist no matter where you are, but that doesn't mean it doesn't deserve to be there, trans people exist, they are gonna contiune existing, if that gets your goat, its you that is the problem, not 5 bands of color on a wall in a game.
A large chunk of the people I've found talking about this don't even hate trans people. Most of them, in fact, don't hate them. Do you have some outliers? Of course. But most of them don't want to be reminded of it out of nowhere. They want to ESCAPE from reality, not be reminded of it.
But wait, nevermind. I guess that just makes them hateful, huh?
protip: even if you want to escape from reality, that doesn't justify anything thats been happening in these threads? its a flag, are you gonna tell me that they cant include cats either cause someone wants to "escape from reality" of their cats? no? then why does a flag matter.

if you find the need to be hateful to a group of people just because of your personal bias and then try to turn it into a "me me me" argument, then yeah, your being pretty hateful now aint you?

cause you know what you could have done to escape from reality? just walked past it, instead of coming to discussions for several days and trying to argue that its "politics" even though its just people my dude.
dabhdude May 13 @ 3:43pm 
Originally posted by zero:
Originally posted by dabhdude:
A large chunk of the people I've found talking about this don't even hate trans people. Most of them, in fact, don't hate them. Do you have some outliers? Of course. But most of them don't want to be reminded of it out of nowhere. They want to ESCAPE from reality, not be reminded of it.
But wait, nevermind. I guess that just makes them hateful, huh?
protip: even if you want to escape from reality, that doesn't justify anything thats been happening in these threads? its a flag, are you gonna tell me that they cant include cats either cause someone wants to "escape from reality" of their cats? no? then why does a flag matter.

if you find the need to be hateful to a group of people just because of your personal bias and then try to turn it into a "me me me" argument, then yeah, your being pretty hateful now aint you?

cause you know what you could have done to escape from reality? just walked past it, instead of coming to discussions for several days and trying to argue that its "politics" even though its just people my dude.
I WAS the one who walked past it. Actually, no. I looked at it and said "Huh. Alright then, I guess." and moved on. THAT BEING SAID, I'm saying that I kinda understand where people are coming from with it. And by the way you know exactly what I meant when I said escape reality.
Also, you can't call everybody you disagree with "hateful". Most people aren't being "hateful". They just want to be left alone and, as I mentioned, have their escape w/o having to be constantly reminded of all of stuff that's going on in the real world, that flag unfortunately included. I thought people would have recognized this by now, but I guess not. And again, I'm not saying that I had a huge problem with it. I have a problem with two things:
1. The people who ARE making a huge deal over it, not understanding why some people like it
and
2. People like YOU who discredit everyone who had even the slightest problem with it, despite their reasoning having some validity to it imo, by calling them hateful.
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