Why Did Kane Kill Seth?

[ASRIEL]

Basically that. Was it because of the "First God, then Kane, then me!" line? I know this is the wrong forum, but I don't remember the game this was in to be honest.

[Cat]

what?

[Retsuo]

T'was the first command and conquer. I believe it was because Seth invaded america earlier than Kane wanted, and/or without Kane's order.

[Krasher]

Boredom.

[ASRIEL]

Originally posted by Rezaiga:

T'was the first command and conquer. I believe it was because Seth invaded america earlier than Kane wanted, and/or without Kane's order.

Oh, thanks! Haha, could’ve sworn it was the second one.
I thought it was because Kane was worried about people being more loyal to Seth than him. Meesa thinks Kane isn’t a fan of God.

[Cat]

Originally posted by Rezaiga:

T'was the first command and conquer. I believe it was because Seth invaded america earlier than Kane wanted, and/or without Kane's order.

Seth was deliberately sending a commander on a suicide mission to America. Kane and Seth knew it's gonna fail but Seth (out of jealousy) was trying to show Kane that the commander doesn't have what it takes, but Kane discovered Seth's plan and had him killed while giving a briefing to the commander.

Seth was disturbed that the commander was getting close to his rank ("From God to Kane to Seth", he was just beneath kane and didnt want anyone else equal to him). Even the previous mission showed that Seth deliberately gave the commander misinformation trying to remove him.

[ASRIEL]

Originally posted by Cat:

Originally posted by Rezaiga:

T'was the first command and conquer. I believe it was because Seth invaded america earlier than Kane wanted, and/or without Kane's order.

Seth was deliberately sending a commander on a suicide mission to America. Kane and Seth knew it's gonna fail but Seth (out of jealousy) was trying to show Kane that the commander doesn't have what it takes, but Kane discovered Seth's plan and had him killed while giving a briefing to the commander.

Seth was disturbed that the commander was getting close to his rank ("From God to Kane to Seth", he was just beneath kane and didnt want anyone else equal to him). Even the previous mission showed that Seth deliberately gave the commander misinformation trying to remove him.

....

Now I’m wondering if Nod is a Christian military organization. So... there’s that.

[MrBananaGrabber]

Rest in RIP, Seth!

[JoshSA]

Originally posted by Azzy:

Originally posted by Cat:

Seth was deliberately sending a commander on a suicide mission to America. Kane and Seth knew it's gonna fail but Seth (out of jealousy) was trying to show Kane that the commander doesn't have what it takes, but Kane discovered Seth's plan and had him killed while giving a briefing to the commander.

Seth was disturbed that the commander was getting close to his rank ("From God to Kane to Seth", he was just beneath kane and didnt want anyone else equal to him). Even the previous mission showed that Seth deliberately gave the commander misinformation trying to remove him.

....

Now I’m wondering if Nod is a Christian military organization. So... there’s that.

There are definite ties between NOD's origin and Biblical accounts, but NOD are not Christian military organization. More like a cult. In the Bible, Kane was the man who killed his brother Abel. So I think the authors sometimes hint to the fact that Kane can't die and he might actually be the same person from the Bible stories. NOD has been around is some way or form for centuries so it could make sense. Atleast that's my take on it.

[ArchmageXin]

The fact Kane is a Alien is spoiled in the 4 (S-h-i-t-brium War). Before that, Woodwood tried to be coy if he was the Christian Kane or not.

Basically Kane came to earth eons ago, and was responsible for civilizing humanity. He did have an brother name Abel, and in one of the games you can actually find his coffin (Next to Kane's bedroom, incidentally)

He also appeared in Red Alert time line. Orginally, Woodwood tried of it to imply Kane's supernatural aging, but per Joe Duncan (Kane's actor) that storyline was scrapped.

[Glowskelly]

Seth was trying to take control of the Brotherhood, conspiring against his fellows and the Prophet. He was a mutinous traitor.

[ASRIEL]

Originally posted by ТОТЕНХЁРТ BOLSHE YOBA:

Seth was trying to take control of the Brotherhood, conspiring against his fellows and the Prophet. He was a mutinous traitor.

Seth>Kane

[Cat]

Originally posted by Azzy:

Originally posted by Cat:

Seth was deliberately sending a commander on a suicide mission to America. Kane and Seth knew it's gonna fail but Seth (out of jealousy) was trying to show Kane that the commander doesn't have what it takes, but Kane discovered Seth's plan and had him killed while giving a briefing to the commander.

Seth was disturbed that the commander was getting close to his rank ("From God to Kane to Seth", he was just beneath kane and didnt want anyone else equal to him). Even the previous mission showed that Seth deliberately gave the commander misinformation trying to remove him.

....

Now I’m wondering if Nod is a Christian military organization. So... there’s that.

Westwood created Nod based on the christian bible to make it sound more serious, it's not actually christian.

Brotherhood of Nod is a cult that existed centuries ago (In Renegade, you can find traces and artifacts of Nod in an old ancient pyramid), so they;re like the league of shadows from Batman Begins, I can imagine they existed during ancient times wielding swords and all and as centuries past until the present day, they kept adapting to the changing world and use new weapons like stealth tanks and laser as well as adapting to the modern world uniforms. Their existence remains a secret to the world until they made themselves known in the first tiberium war. Their self-proclaim leader and founder is Kane, who Nod believes is immortal and never ages, he was cursed to wander the land of Nod and is also the Cain in the bible (further hinted in Renegade where they show Abel's tomb, a victim of Cain in the bible).

At least that's what we were led to believe. GDI thinks all those are just mambo-jumbo beliefs. Maybe they're right, maybe they're wrong.

In C&C4, Kane reached ascensions so the story is true,

in C&C2, Nod is trying to mutate the entire planet (and in the Nod campaign where it succeeds, Kane reaches ascension but this is not canon).

In C&C1, Nod was trying to unite third-world countries and use them to rule the world (while their long-term goal was deliberately left unexplained) because Kane was just a power-lust megalomaniac who uses media manipulation and the "religion & peace" crap as a propaganda<--this was Westwood's original description of Nod.

However, not everything you see from C&C3 onwards might be the intended story, because EA changed some of the plot, like for example Westwood said (before Tiberian Sun) Scrin is playing GDI and Nod to fight against each other after they made a deal with kane because Kane didnt choose his friends well and ended up betrayed but in C&C3, it was Kane that was playing Scrin and GDI against each other because Kane is a prophet so he can easily orchestrated that.

Even a few things in Tiberian Sun were different from what Westwood wrote but in the end, Nod is what you see in C&C4 because I guess C&C got too popular and fans were hyped about Nod's origin, they ended up changing a few things.

[JoshSA]

Originally posted by ArchmageXin:

The fact Kane is a Alien is spoiled in the 4 (S-h-i-t-brium War). Before that, Woodwood tried to be coy if he was the Christian Kane or not.

Basically Kane came to earth eons ago, and was responsible for civilizing humanity. He did have an brother name Abel, and in one of the games you can actually find his coffin (Next to Kane's bedroom, incidentally)

He also appeared in Red Alert time line. Orginally, Woodwood tried of it to imply Kane's supernatural aging, but per Joe Duncan (Kane's actor) that storyline was scrapped.

Yeah I haven't played past level 2 or 3 of CnC 4. It was a terrible disgrace to my favorite franchise. So tried to like it, I really did but just wasn't compelling enough. Maybe the multiplayer was good (according to articles on the web) but that didn't help the campaign at all. I don't really take CnC 4 as Command and Conquer cannon.

Damn! I remember seeing Kane is Red Alert 1...that was mind blowingly awesome. How the two franchises could have been alternate timelines or some sort of prequel. Could have been so cool but seems like a missed opportunity.

[JoshSA]

Originally posted by CAT:

Originally posted by Azzy:

....

Now I’m wondering if Nod is a Christian military organization. So... there’s that.

Westwood created Nod based on the christian bible to make it sound more serious, it's not actually christian.

Brotherhood of Nod is a cult that existed centuries ago (In Renegade, you can find traces and artifacts of Nod in an old ancient pyramid), so they;re like the league of shadows from Batman Begins, I can imagine they existed during ancient times wielding swords and all and as centuries past until the present day, they kept adapting to the changing world and use new weapons like stealth tanks and laser as well as adapting to the modern world uniforms. Their existence remains a secret to the world until they made themselves known in the first tiberium war. Their self-proclaim leader and founder is Kane, who Nod believes is immortal and never ages, he was cursed to wander the land of Nod and is also the Cain in the bible (further hinted in Renegade where they show Abel's tomb, a victim of Cain in the bible).

At least that's what we were led to believe. GDI thinks all those are just mambo-jumbo beliefs. Maybe they're right, maybe they're wrong.

In C&C4, Kane reached ascensions so the story is true,

in C&C2, Nod is trying to mutate the entire planet (and in the Nod campaign where it succeeds, Kane reaches ascension but this is not canon).

In C&C1, Nod was trying to unite third-world countries and use them to rule the world (while their long-term goal was deliberately left unexplained) because Kane was just a power-lust megalomaniac who uses media manipulation and the "religion & peace" crap as a propaganda<--this was Westwood's original description of Nod.

However, not everything you see from C&C3 onwards might be the intended story, because EA changed some of the plot, like for example Westwood said (before Tiberian Sun) Scrin is playing GDI and Nod to fight against each other after they made a deal with kane because Kane didnt choose his friends well and ended up betrayed but in C&C3, it was Kane that was playing Scrin and GDI against each other because Kane is a prophet so he can easily orchestrated that.

Even a few things in Tiberian Sun were different from what Westwood wrote but in the end, Nod is what you see in C&C4 because I guess C&C got too popular and fans were hyped about Nod's origin, they ended up changing a few things.

Yeah that makes a lot of sense.

My view of CNC 1, is the manual and descriptions of NOD were written from a more biased point of view of GDI. So NOD's write up is not actually true of who they were. It's kind of misleading on purpose. Like the true meaning of NOD was so hidden in lore that even the Manuals wouldn't elude to it.

I played Renegade through but never picked up on the coffin/tomb of Abel. Wow. Guess I need to play Renegade again XD

[ArchmageXin]

Originally posted by JoshSA:

Originally posted by ArchmageXin:

The fact Kane is a Alien is spoiled in the 4 (S-h-i-t-brium War). Before that, Woodwood tried to be coy if he was the Christian Kane or not.

Basically Kane came to earth eons ago, and was responsible for civilizing humanity. He did have an brother name Abel, and in one of the games you can actually find his coffin (Next to Kane's bedroom, incidentally)

He also appeared in Red Alert time line. Orginally, Woodwood tried of it to imply Kane's supernatural aging, but per Joe Duncan (Kane's actor) that storyline was scrapped.

Yeah I haven't played past level 2 or 3 of CnC 4. It was a terrible disgrace to my favorite franchise. So tried to like it, I really did but just wasn't compelling enough. Maybe the multiplayer was good (according to articles on the web) but that didn't help the campaign at all. I don't really take CnC 4 as Command and Conquer cannon.

Damn! I remember seeing Kane is Red Alert 1...that was mind blowingly awesome. How the two franchises could have been alternate timelines or some sort of prequel. Could have been so cool but seems like a missed opportunity.

No it was terrible all around, C&C 4 was basically an mobile game re-skinned to sell for 49.99. And the movie was just totally cringe.