Verdun
Do you think Isonzo will survive or die?
So, Isonzo will be released in couple months, if I remember right, and I started thinking - "will Isonzo survive or die?".
Now, I don;t want to sound like hater, because I'm not. I like Verdun, I like Tannenber, but it died, sadly. But something tells me Isonzo will either die like Tannenberg or maybe, just maybe, will have as many players as Verdun (I would hope so).
So, what do you think about Isonzo?
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Well, being a fan of these developers for about a decade, bought both games on pc, xbox and ps alike, and likely this new game as well, you can say i enjoy their games.

However, when i look at the landscape of these first person shooters, even by the huge studios, they seem to be stagnating. Battle Royale (i'm not a fan) seems to be ruling the roost. BF, COD Halo, the traditional huge triple a's, all not doing well. Other PC exclusives like HLL, Squad etc only seem to meet demand by constant new content, given the more resources they have.

In addition, idt the Italian Campaign (from BF1 Monte Grappa fame) is going to pull many in, at least in the way Verduns trench western warfare did.

The Italian Campaign may be what polls of dedicated fans may have wanted, but not overall gamers (that you're gonna need to keep the game alive) maybe wanting something different from the green european fields.

East Africa, Kut and those mid east campaigns may have been a new better choice,

The Eastern Front was a decent pick with Tannenberg, but it seemed more run and gun, competing with other more funded developers games out there. Some of which i mentioned.

I think what they need, are more options.

A Third Person option or mode i think would be fantastic, particularly given there are not many World War third person games out there, and in addition with the new customizations, people may want to see more of what they "customized".

An over the shoulder or third person option could give a new game...new life, and a different way of playing, and even drawing in newer crowds and players.

In short, i'm not confident the game will work. But do know i'll be enjoying it as i have all of their games thus far.
Wilku21 Jul 21 @ 12:09pm 
Originally posted by xBCxRangers:
Well, being a fan of these developers for about a decade, bought both games on pc, xbox and ps alike, and likely this new game as well, you can say i enjoy their games.

However, when i look at the landscape of these first person shooters, even by the huge studios, they seem to be stagnating. Battle Royale (i'm not a fan) seems to be ruling the roost. BF, COD Halo, the traditional huge triple a's, all not doing well. Other PC exclusives like HLL, Squad etc only seem to meet demand by constant new content, given the more resources they have.

In addition, idt the Italian Campaign (from BF1 Monte Grappa fame) is going to pull many in, at least in the way Verduns trench western warfare did.

The Italian Campaign may be what polls of dedicated fans may have wanted, but not overall gamers (that you're gonna need to keep the game alive) maybe wanting something different from the green european fields.

East Africa, Kut and those mid east campaigns may have been a new better choice,

The Eastern Front was a decent pick with Tannenberg, but it seemed more run and gun, competing with other more funded developers games out there. Some of which i mentioned.

I think what they need, are more options.

A Third Person option or mode i think would be fantastic, particularly given there are not many World War third person games out there, and in addition with the new customizations, people may want to see more of what they "customized".

An over the shoulder or third person option could give a new game...new life, and a different way of playing, and even drawing in newer crowds and players.

In short, i'm not confident the game will work. But do know i'll be enjoying it as i have all of their games thus far.
I really hope Isonzo will be a hit because I want to play it and enjoy it so badly!
rg Jul 22 @ 5:02am 
It depends whether they will release an intelligently designed game or another Tannenberg.
Wilku21 Jul 22 @ 5:12pm 
Originally posted by rg:
It depends whether they will release an intelligently designed game or another Tannenberg.
What was wrong with Tannenberg? I only played for couple hours so I don't really know
Verdun is unique, Tannenberg, while not a bad game, is to much like other FPS games.
Wilku21 Jul 23 @ 6:48am 
Originally posted by Anomander Rake:
Verdun is unique, Tannenberg, while not a bad game, is to much like other FPS games.
Actually yeah, it is. But it was fun though.
It depends on whether the devs have learned and taken the best parts of Verdun and Tannenberg for Isonzo while disregarding the worst aspects of those games. I really hope they have done that or the new game will be the same old story: an excellent core experience eroded by dumb game features and bugs that are never addressed.
Wilku21 Jul 25 @ 3:34pm 
Originally posted by @Antique_Steel:
It depends on whether the devs have learned and taken the best parts of Verdun and Tannenberg for Isonzo while disregarding the worst aspects of those games. I really hope they have done that or the new game will be the same old story: an excellent core experience eroded by dumb game features and bugs that are never addressed.
I hope they learned as well. Well, we have to wait to see
Tannenberg died because it had no weapon variety.
Rifles, rifles, rifles.
Stein Aug 4 @ 4:55am 
I would of preferred a Verdun 2 with all the new features that Ionzo brings.
Wilku21 Aug 4 @ 4:42pm 
Originally posted by Stein:
I would of preferred a Verdun 2 with all the new features that Ionzo brings.
That would be cool. New graphics, some new mechanics, Isonzo features.
I really hope Isonzo willl be a hit.
rfzm ↑ Aug 8 @ 10:22pm 
I had to look this up, being a BF1 player who's interested in other ww1 fps shooters, and did they really make THREE separate games instead of just one ww1 title??

Talk about a bad decision. If anything, Tannenberg and Isonzo could've been paid expansions to "Verdun" (should've named that something else too...)

Now all you got were a divided playerbase and dead games. No one on my friendslist recommend any of these titles, on the contrary they state 'not recommend' due to no players.

Re-release it all as one game and you might save it.
Bishop Aug 8 @ 10:46pm 
Originally posted by rfzm ↑:
I had to look this up, being a BF1 player who's interested in other ww1 fps shooters, and did they really make THREE separate games instead of just one ww1 title??

Talk about a bad decision. If anything, Tannenberg and Isonzo could've been paid expansions to "Verdun" (should've named that something else too...)

Now all you got were a divided playerbase and dead games. No one on my friendslist recommend any of these titles, on the contrary they state 'not recommend' due to no players.

Re-release it all as one game and you might save it.
Verdun went up for sale back in 2013, so yeah over nearly a decade they've released 3 titles.

If they were paid expansions you get all the downsides of a stand alone game just now with none of the upsides.

They also aren't "dead" unless you require hundreds of matches to choose from, they are small but active for EU and US where the games most popular.
rfzm ↑ Aug 8 @ 10:59pm 
Originally posted by Bishop:
Originally posted by rfzm ↑:
I had to look this up, being a BF1 player who's interested in other ww1 fps shooters, and did they really make THREE separate games instead of just one ww1 title??

Talk about a bad decision. If anything, Tannenberg and Isonzo could've been paid expansions to "Verdun" (should've named that something else too...)

Now all you got were a divided playerbase and dead games. No one on my friendslist recommend any of these titles, on the contrary they state 'not recommend' due to no players.

Re-release it all as one game and you might save it.
Verdun went up for sale back in 2013, so yeah over nearly a decade they've released 3 titles.

If they were paid expansions you get all the downsides of a stand alone game just now with none of the upsides.

They also aren't "dead" unless you require hundreds of matches to choose from, they are small but active for EU and US where the games most popular.
What upsides though? I still claim that had you release 1 game and the other 2 being (paid) updates you'd be better off. None of these titles have made any real impression afaik (no one talks about them and I follow the FPS-scene closely).

Tannenberg has an average of 75 players the past month
https://steamcharts.com/app/633460

Verdun shows an average of 113 in the past 30 days
https://steamcharts.com/app/242860

Both have a peak of around 250 in the past 30 days. Yeah, they're definitely to be considered dead.




Don't get me wrong, I'm not laughing at your misfortune, on the contrary I think it's sad the missed opportunity here.
Bergman Aug 9 @ 12:08am 
Originally posted by rfzm ↑:
Originally posted by Bishop:
Verdun went up for sale back in 2013, so yeah over nearly a decade they've released 3 titles.

If they were paid expansions you get all the downsides of a stand alone game just now with none of the upsides.

They also aren't "dead" unless you require hundreds of matches to choose from, they are small but active for EU and US where the games most popular.
What upsides though? I still claim that had you release 1 game and the other 2 being (paid) updates you'd be better off. None of these titles have made any real impression afaik (no one talks about them and I follow the FPS-scene closely).

Tannenberg has an average of 75 players the past month
https://steamcharts.com/app/633460

Verdun shows an average of 113 in the past 30 days
https://steamcharts.com/app/242860

Both have a peak of around 250 in the past 30 days. Yeah, they're definitely to be considered dead.




Don't get me wrong, I'm not laughing at your misfortune, on the contrary I think it's sad the missed opportunity here.
But this way they sold every game to a very fair price.
(I would not have paid 60 bucks for a ww1 game)
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