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Random chance for a NPC to desert
I would think it would be a cool detail to see a NPC desert randomly, like once a match and if you shoot him you get points.
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like once a match and if you shoot him you get points

Gamers smh...
Sounds interesting from a historical perspective, but It would be odd to have you suddenly turn your back to the enemy team (not litteraly in every situation) and be suddenly able to kill a teammate. It would also need to have some HUD design elements to it. I personally think the idea is too flawed to implement them in the current game.
But it's not the stereotypical WW2 Russian Commissar - most soldiers wouldn't just shoot one of their own for deserting. It'd look really silly. Deserters would go through a military trial and then executed by firing squad...horrific.
Alot of them who just refused to stop running were shot.
Originally posted by PSS.M Cpt. Walt von Keisel:
Alot of them who just refused to stop running were shot.

[citation needed]

Or should I say, no, that didn't happen. If men ran, and were shot by their own side, that was a war crime and the men doing the firing could be tried at Court Martial.

Even this idea that deserters were tried and shot is largely devoid of reality. In British and Empire forces, bout 3000 death sentences were awarded, 90% were commuted to lesser punishments. 346 actually carried out in all theatres of war. That's for all crimes. Desertion was usually met with field punishments, short custodial and hard labour sentences often cut even shorter with the perpetrators then sent back into the line.
Not that respectful to be able to kill deserter... I mean.. no respectful at all for those who fought this war, it's like telling them that this was too easy to be deserted
Around this time they didn't have sympathy to those who were experiencing shell shock or PTSD as they thought they were being cowards trying to get out of the fight. No doubt this would lead to them shooting men that refused to stop running.


Originally posted by Cpl. Burden R 3294:
Originally posted by PSS.M Cpt. Walt von Keisel:
Alot of them who just refused to stop running were shot.

[citation needed]

Or should I say, no, that didn't happen. If men ran, and were shot by their own side, that was a war crime and the men doing the firing could be tried at Court Martial.

Even this idea that deserters were tried and shot is largely devoid of reality. In British and Empire forces, bout 3000 death sentences were awarded, 90% were commuted to lesser punishments. 346 actually carried out in all theatres of war. That's for all crimes. Desertion was usually met with field punishments, short custodial and hard labour sentences often cut even shorter with the perpetrators then sent back into the line.
What do you think they did to people who refused to stop running? Slap on the wrist and say don't do it again? This was a time where cowards were generally shot at dawn, especially when they refuse to stop running.
Yuithgf Mar 18 @ 5:04pm 
first teach bots to not stand up when they need to reload, then we'll see for complex human-like behavior
Yes please make stupid AI even more stupid. Many thanks.
Originally posted by PSS.M Cpt. Walt von Keisel:
Originally posted by Cpl. Burden R 3294:

[citation needed]

Or should I say, no, that didn't happen. If men ran, and were shot by their own side, that was a war crime and the men doing the firing could be tried at Court Martial.

Even this idea that deserters were tried and shot is largely devoid of reality. In British and Empire forces, about 3000 death sentences were awarded, 90% were commuted to lesser punishments. 346 actually carried out in all theatres of war. That's for all crimes. Desertion was usually met with field punishments, short custodial and hard labour sentences often cut even shorter with the perpetrators then sent back into the line.
What do you think they did to people who refused to stop running? Slap on the wrist and say don't do it again? This was a time where cowards were generally shot at dawn, especially when they refuse to stop running.

Except they DIDN'T. Shooting men running away, even in a warzone, was a CRIME. There are rules of war that both sides signed up to.

"This was a time where cowards were generally shot at dawn"

I just gave you the statistics. Open your eyes and read.

"What do you think they did to people who refused to stop running? Slap on the wrist and say don't do it again?"

They arrested them, gave them prison sentences, often hard labour, and often those sentences were commuted and they were returned to units, as the army was critical short of manpower.

I am sorry this seems to be terminally difficult for you to grasp, but no, men were not shot at dawn for cowardice in the VAST MAJORITY of cases. Read the statistics again. Go and find them yourself if you doubt them.

In the British Army (inc Empire forces) About 3000 death sentences were awarded, 90% were commuted to lesser punishments. 346 actually carried out in all theatres of war, for all crimes.

Cold. Hard. Facts.
Originally posted by Cpl. Burden R 3294:
Originally posted by PSS.M Cpt. Walt von Keisel:
What do you think they did to people who refused to stop running? Slap on the wrist and say don't do it again? This was a time where cowards were generally shot at dawn, especially when they refuse to stop running.

Except they DIDN'T. Shooting men running away, even in a warzone, was a CRIME. There are rules of war that both sides signed up to.

"This was a time where cowards were generally shot at dawn"

I just gave you the statistics. Open your eyes and read.

"What do you think they did to people who refused to stop running? Slap on the wrist and say don't do it again?"

They arrested them, gave them prison sentences, often hard labour, and often those sentences were commuted and they were returned to units, as the army was critical short of manpower.

I am sorry this seems to be terminally difficult for you to grasp, but no, men were not shot at dawn for cowardice in the VAST MAJORITY of cases. Read the statistics again. Go and find them yourself if you doubt them.

In the British Army (inc Empire forces) About 3000 death sentences were awarded, 90% were commuted to lesser punishments. 346 actually carried out in all theatres of war, for all crimes.

Cold. Hard. Facts.
+1
And btw if a deserter was shot, it was by officer and certainly not by his brothers in arms.
Just reading books written by soldiers of this time makes you know that no body would shoot his brother in arms for running away, because every body wanted to run away
And yet in game we see people who run away get shot. Also where are your sources to confirm your claims? As I said before, what do you think they did when the people running refused to listen to calls to come back? They got shot if they kept running, plain and simple. Also if my eyes were closed then I wouldn't be replying. There is also no information stating that shooting a deserter is a war crime. Officers around this time, especially the senior officers didn't have sympathy when it came to soldiers running away, PTSD wasn't generally known around this time.
Last edited by [PSS.M] Cpt. Walt von Keisel; Mar 22 @ 4:03pm
"Where are your sources"

It's called knowing your ♥♥♥♥, but if you must

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shot_at_Dawn_Memorial

Read there.

No, if people ran, they weren't shot.

"They got shot if they kept running, plain and simple. "

Utter ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

"There is also no information stating that shooting a deserter is a war crime. "

Yes, there is. Look up any information on military law. You cannot simply shoot people running away, not in the British Army. They were caught, arrested, imprisoned awaiting trial, tried under Court Martial etc.

I really don't know how to break this down any simpler for you.

"PTSD wasn't generally known around this time."

Again wrong. It was in it's infancy but there were studies on it dating back to the American Civil War.

"And yet in game we see people who run away get shot."

Because ITS A GAME. And they needed a mechanic to prevent you from wandering off the map. Are you that dense?

And alrighty then, since you want to make the ridiculous claims than men were simply shot on the spot for desertion, burden of proof. Find me a cited, proven case in the British Army in the 1st World War where that happened. Where a man was executed on the spot by his commanding officer or senior NCO and that was treated as a just punishment. It wasn't the bloody Soviet Union!
Last edited by Cpl. Burden R 3294; Mar 22 @ 8:01pm
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