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Position of the camera
Need some explanation about how the camera works. The camera means the position of the players view at the soldiers body.

One told me that the camera is at the soldiers chest (between the nipples, around 30 cm below the tip of the head). So not at the eyes / head of the soldier.

This means one is peeking more out of cover that one thinks. If one just peeks out of cover, the whole upper body is in fact out of cover.

If I see an enemies helmet peeking out of cover. This player should not be able to see me, right?
If I see this enemies face peeking out of cover, this player should not be able to see me, still right?
I need to see his chest that I know he sees me too, right?


But whats about this situation where one can only see the tip of the enemy's helmet and gets shot by exactly this enemy? Should not be possible, because this player can not see me.

Or whats about an enemy in a deeper position? If I can not even see the upper 30 cm of the soldier, he should not see me too. But still I have recordings, which I could share were exactly this happens.
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Originally posted by M2H_Matt:
Originally posted by Wickerson:
I'm guessing this is because the player camera is placed at chest level with the gun and not at the head level? So while I'm crawling up a hill and cannot see over it, my head is poking up like a duck in a shooting gallery.

That is not the case, the camera is really at eye level. I have not experienced this, it might be the case you have been shot from somewhere else indeed.

From here.
Thank you for posting this link.

But does not answer the question.

How can one see me, but I cant see him. In a face-to-face situation.

Or if he is deep in the ditch at Douaumont and I am on top of it. Can post a video if needed.
Video might be helpful, yeah.

However, how can you be certain that you weren't shot by someone else sitting above the ditch/moat on Douaumont?

Face-to-face, sure you or him just didn't lag strafing passed a corner?

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=421791441
Very easy, there was a kind of tracer that showed were the bullet came from. Should I upload it. Needs some rework, do not want to upload the whole video, but I can do that.
Currently working on some nice screenshots and movies.

One for example shows just the hand of an enemy around the corner, no face etc visible but still this one shots me.

Shots from player on a lower level not being visible.

How can I send them, so one has a look and gives me or the whole community some feedback?
Got a nice video and out of this 2 nice frames which show that the enemy soldier could, according to the camera position, not see me. But still shot me, even he / I was around the corner. Both did not move.

Would like to upload the frames. Sadly I cant upload Artwork to this community and if I want to upload them as screenshots, even being in the right folder and with the right format and size, the uploading screen does not show them.

Any ideas how I can share this stuff?
Originally posted by Lilifee the cute fairy:
Any ideas how I can share this stuff?

Image sharing site like imgur, photobucket, tinypic, etc.?
Originally posted by LV|Ironstorm767:
Originally posted by Lilifee the cute fairy:
Any ideas how I can share this stuff?

Image sharing site like imgur, photobucket, tinypic, etc.?

OK, and then, sending the link by E-Mail?
Originally posted by Lilifee the cute fairy:
Originally posted by LV|Ironstorm767:

Image sharing site like imgur, photobucket, tinypic, etc.?

OK, and then, sending the link by E-Mail?
Or share the link(s) here.
Here we have a link to 2 stills I made out of a video.

Enemy should not be able to see me, but still he shoots me.

https://imgur.com/a/McVWD

The according video was uploaded to Youtube.

https://youtu.be/kW-4u5NHK4U


Tradekill bayonnet vs. bullet refused

https://youtu.be/FWnUj5enhmE

Wex killing faster than a bullet and shot not registered.

https://youtu.be/V4fHJBta8Z4


Will post more soon.


Another thing.

I sent a mail to you support. Received a system generated reply on February 9: "we will come back to you as soon as possible".

Should I provide this "special" screenshots here too? I would prefer to share them more private, so you can think about what to do. Instead of having a huge discussion about it.
Last edited by Lilifee the cute fairy; Feb 17 @ 8:27am
Originally posted by Lilifee the cute fairy:
Here we have a link to 2 stills I made out of a video.

Enemy should not be able to see me, but still he shoots me.

https://imgur.com/a/McVWD

The according video was uploaded to Youtube.
Hard to say personally, but I suspect it might have been a case where they were out further on their end / moving faster due to the network advantage.

What was their ping, and yours?

Same question applies to the rejected hits - although, the Wex clip, the game didn't even get a request for your shot.

Should I provide this "special" screenshots here too? I would prefer to share them more private, so you can think about what to do. Instead of having a huge discussion about it.
If there's a public discussion about it, more people could add their thoughts and experiences with such.
Originally posted by LV|Ironstorm767:
Hard to say personally, but I suspect it might have been a case where they were out further on their end / moving faster due to the network advantage.

You can see that both players do not move, so differences in ping should not be an explanation.

Originally posted by LV|Ironstorm767:

If there's a public discussion about it, more people could add their thoughts and experiences with such.

So posting screenshots / videos of extremely insulting players or supected cheaters is "OK" to you?
Originally posted by Lilifee the cute fairy:
Originally posted by LV|Ironstorm767:
If there's a public discussion about it, more people could add their thoughts and experiences with such.

So posting screenshots / videos of extremely insulting players or supected cheaters is "OK" to you?
If you suspect a player of cheating, welcome to make a post on discord sharing the video evidence and a Steam Profile link.

However, thought you were talking about the rejected hits / position of the camera still frankly.
Originally posted by LV|Ironstorm767:
Originally posted by Lilifee the cute fairy:

So posting screenshots / videos of extremely insulting players or supected cheaters is "OK" to you?
If you suspect a player of cheating, welcome to make a post on discord sharing the video evidence and a Steam Profile link.

However, thought you were talking about the rejected hits / position of the camera still frankly.

I am talking about this camera thing and the rejected / not registered hits here.

I can talk about insulting players here too. But I think it would be better to handle this on a more personal way. But game still do not lie.
Originally posted by Lilifee the cute fairy:
I am talking about this camera thing and the rejected / not registered hits here.

I can talk about insulting players here too. But I think it would be better to handle this on a more personal way. But game still do not lie.
I PM'd you about the "special" screenshots/videos. Let's not name and shame, IMO. (Should've been more clear about your other screenshots/videos, frankly speaking - You weren't talking about the topic at hand obviously.)

However, there are the mute options (for an individual or outright text/voice chat) that you can use to ignore the trolls in-game.
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