Is Boiling veins REALLY that great?

[Ryantula]

it just seems like no damage from explosions and fire at <50% health is only decent and almost everything takes priority. am I wrong?

[ุ]

loop the game 5 times and see

[Ryantula]

Never done that but I'm assuming all hell breaks loose and it's a requirment. but I'm talking about in the first run through

[Diplodocus]

Yes, it is THAT great.

[Harrewarre]

Just wait until you take a car to the face in Frozen City :-) Boiling Veins saved me quite a few times :-)

[Rub3z]

Originally posted by Harrewarre:

Just wait until you take a car to the face in Frozen City :-) Boiling Veins saved me quite a few times :-)

Yep, cars being applied forcefully to my face are a big reason why I like to have Boiling Veins before I reach area 5. If I'm lucky enough to get it before I even reach area 3, then it makes my time in that area SOOOOO much easier, as I don't have to worry so much about the annoying flame walls, the salamanders become a joke, and I no longer have to dread the possibility of getting killed by an exploding car as I'm sucked into a portal. :D

[Diplodocus]

Also it is almost REQUIRED for lil hunter in 5_3.

[Rub3z]

Originally posted by maxim.pakhomenko:

Also it is almost REQUIRED for lil hunter in 5_3.

Eh, almost. I've beaten him without it. Poor guy is so easy to kill, as soon as I enter 5_3 he's usually dead in seconds as he tries to plop down on top of me and I proceed unloading a horrid amount of shells, explosives or lasers into his face. They should give him some more health... at LEAST enough for him to survive ascending and then descending twice, because as it is if you just pump him full of whatever you've got as soon as he touches down, he's twirling around cursing your name before he explodes in no time flat.

[Wizard_Amul]

Not counting loops, it's very helpful for world 5 (especially 5-3) or if you're using mostly melee/explosive weapons. It's also pretty useful in world 3 (fire) and world 7 (IDPD grenades). After looping a few times without boiling veins, I don't think it's as strict of a "must have" as I've been thinking for a while, but it's still way up there as one of the top-tier mutations. As long as you have some good ranged weapons by the time you face Lil' Hunter, you really don't need boiling veins to even get past 5-3.

[glass]

Dont forget lab spawns with melting plants infront of you.

[cobalt_drake]

boiling veins is practically a necessity for levels starting from the scrapyard IF you arent a very good player (like me).. but to my surprise i beat the throne today without boiling veins and never realized...
i've heard during one of the streams that its likely boiling veins will be nerfed as its quite op as it currently stands (quote)... maybe you may take just 1 dmg from explosions (wot i think)...

i had an idea the other day which goes something like :
boiling veins - negates all damage from explosions/fire but ______

_____ has a few options
1. u cant shoot for around 3 seconds if youre caught in an explosion
2. take more dmg from bullets
3. reduces rate of fire with semi automatic weapons (a pretty bad idea... but just a thought)

or

boiling veins - explosions/fire do half the damage and you get something like a ring of fire around you which does a decent bit of damage and has a chance to block bullets! (pretty op now that i think about it :P )

wierd ideas :[

[several lizards]

I've beaten the game without Boiling Veins once, so it's not incredibly necessary. However, it is useful.

[DrakeEldred22]

Taking one damage regardless of explosion strength would be a good idea.

Just don't nerf it too much

[Yeouch]

Of course you don't need boiling veins to loop the game. The game has a lot of explosions that are either very difficult or just impossible to avoid, but if you're lucky you won't encounter any. Boiling veins is insurance so that you can survive when the IDPD decides to throw a grenade in your face, but if you're lucky you won't need that.

I hope they don't make it so that explosions only deal 1 damage with boiling veins for a couple of reasons. One is that explosions hit you more than once, so even if explosions deal '1' damage, you'll still be taking about 3 or so from each explosion. I guess it'd still be useful, but it wouldn't be that great.
But what really bugs me about that is that it would make the mutation useless for Melting. Currently, boiling veins is a good mutation to have if you can't get rhino skin, because you're completely free to be hit by explosions. With the other characters, losing half your HP is a big deal. But, having 1HP with Melting isn't really any worse than having 2, because very few things in the game deal only one damage.

[SquareDildo]

Explosions have the potential to kill you in 1 hit. Exploding cars in two worlds, handgrenades from IDPD. Most bullets are slower than these and don't cause as much damage.

If there was an anti-Assassin mutation, lots of people would take it too.

[Qinji]

Boiling veins? I absolutely swear by it.
Anything that prevents the most common one hit death occurance is golden in my books.