Fuel tank explosions should be removed

[Kay]

Having a mechanic dependant on RNG to instantly kill you, especially when a lot of tanks use fuel tanks as extra armour, just leads to undue frustration. Watching a shot sail past your crew and ammunition, only hit a fuel tank, and instantly kill you is a mechanic that shouldn't be in the game at all.

[shadain597]

Except it can happen IRL? What, should they remove ammo cook-off too? Overpressure? Maybe explosive shells should all be duds? Bombs, missiles, and rockets should behave like rocks or something?

[Kay]

Messaggio originale di shadain597:

Except it can happen IRL? What, should they remove ammo cook-off too? Overpressure? Maybe explosive shells should all be duds? Bombs, missiles, and rockets should behave like rocks or something?

You can't repair a gun barrel in 30 seconds IRL, why can you in game?

Transmission, suspension and track failures happen IRL, why not have those in game?

Your argument is ridiculous, there are already things excluded from the game because they may be realistic, but they aren't fun for the game, just like rolling a die to determine whether you die or not because someone hit a fuel tank (which, IRL, are extremely unlikely to actually explode)

[shadain597]

Yeah, I don't really buy the whole "highly flammable fuel totally can't explode under any circumstances. Nope, not even when directly shot by a chunk of metal flying hundreds of meters per second, punching through other metal, (creating sparks, etc.) and possibly exploding itself, or having other incendiary properties. Simply not possible."

Sure, diesel might be less dangerous than gasoline, but it ain't some magic fuel that will only go boom in special magic engines. Which actually brings me to the point that a number of vehicles in-game actually have gasoline engines, not diesel. But hey, why not remove ammo cook-offs and anything else you happen to think is unfair or unfun while we're at it.

[Kay]

Messaggio originale di shadain597:

Yeah, I don't really buy the whole "highly flammable fuel totally can't explode under any circumstances. Nope, not even when directly shot by a chunk of metal flying hundreds of meters per second, punching through other metal, (creating sparks, etc.) and possibly exploding itself, or having other incendiary properties. Simply not possible."

Where do I say it's not possible? I said it's extremely rare, which it is. It needs a specific fuel-air mixture to actually explode, rather than just burning, not that this is the point of my argument at all, I'm still saying it's a bad mechanic to have in game, particularly in the way it is implemented as a random instant death.

Messaggio originale di shadain597:

Sure, diesel might be less dangerous than gasoline, but it ain't some magic fuel that will only go boom in special magic engines. Which actually brings me to the point that a number of vehicles in-game actually have gasoline engines, not diesel. But hey, why not remove ammo cook-offs and anything else you happen to think is unfair or unfun while we're at it.

Ammunition cook offs are consistent and not random instant death mechanics, they (mostly) work as a reliable and fair mechanic rather than, again, rolling a die and having a few numbers be "you just die" while the rest are "set on fire"

Edit: You are consistently completely missing the point and putting up a slippery slope fallacy, nowhere have I argued for consistent mechanics to be removed, only random instant death mechanics. Saying removal of random deaths will lead to removal of reliable deaths, is obviously incorrect.

[Graephen]

A fuel tank in real life can caught fire, but rarely explodes. This is well-reflected ingame. Shells sometimes don't explode, despite going black, but most of the time they do - this is reflected IRL, where usually shells explode when hit, but sometimes they don't.

A lot of the mechanics in this game are RNG. Deal with it - it's better, than having a set chance for A to always do B. That makes for stale gameplay like LoL has.

[Kay]

Messaggio originale di Graephen:

A fuel tank in real life can caught fire, but rarely explodes. This is well-reflected ingame. Shells sometimes don't explode, despite going black, but most of the time they do - this is reflected IRL, where usually shells explode when hit, but sometimes they don't.

A lot of the mechanics in this game are RNG. Deal with it - it's better, than having a set chance for A to always do B. That makes for stale gameplay like LoL has.

It's a poorly done mechanic that results in unsatisfying kills or deaths, since it was literally just a roll of the dice.

Ammunition rack explosions aren't modelled well in game, since wet ammunition racks have literally no effect on it (which they did IRL, massively reducing the chances for ammunition fires or explosions), and I'm ok with that since they detonate consistently (IMO it should be an always thing, not a 98% chance, that just leads to the player feeling robbed when a good shot just decides not to kill someone because, again, dice said no.)

The argument of "this is how the game is, deal with it" is utter garbage, this is a place for feedback and suggestions I.E. changes to the game. IMO a random death mechanic has no place in an "esports ready" vehicle game with heavy emphasis on internal damage models and lethality of vehicles. It just leads to players feeling robbed either way.

To put it in better perspective, would you like a mechanic in an FPS where, with a 5% chance, any hit to your torso instantly killed you regardless of what your HP was, while most shots were easily survivable?