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Does the holy nation hate scorchlanders?
Been playing a new run for a bit, got a party of 9 made up of greenlanders and scorchlanders. Anybody know if the holy nation will kos my scorchlanders like they do skeletons if they spot me?
Originally posted by Zourin:
I'm pretty sure HN hates Skeletons, DEEPLY dislike Shek and Hivers, and generally don't like women. I don't think they discern between Greenlanders and Ashlanders other than by gender.

it's usually a good idea to have a human male around in HN territory just to shoo off the highly armed and trained 'conservatives' when they get uppity about your crew.
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Zourin Dec 19, 2018 @ 9:06pm 
I'm pretty sure HN hates Skeletons, DEEPLY dislike Shek and Hivers, and generally don't like women. I don't think they discern between Greenlanders and Ashlanders other than by gender.

it's usually a good idea to have a human male around in HN territory just to shoo off the highly armed and trained 'conservatives' when they get uppity about your crew.
Last edited by Zourin; Dec 19, 2018 @ 9:08pm
they don't hate anybody as much as skeletons. they're very prejudice against women and other races, but not "attack on site" like skeletons. still, best way to play it safe with them is male greenlanders.
Zourin Dec 19, 2018 @ 9:10pm 
HN patrols may attempt to 'confiscate' your non-human party members. I was lucky to have Hobbs around to navigate that dialogue and shoo them off.

Of course, Hobbs put his foot in his mouth when he tried ot bail out my thiefy main character and happened to accidentally preach about the wrong God. Whups.
rkjesseryu Dec 19, 2018 @ 9:14pm 
Keep skeletons out of sight if your on HN land. I keep mine locked up doing robotics and sciencey stuff. Shek can be ok as long as you have a human male to tell em they serve you
I know in older versions you could pick up and carry your skeletons through HN land and they wouldn't attack. Is this still the case after 1.0?
Mustard_Struggle Dec 19, 2018 @ 9:42pm 
Thanks folks!
Muscarine Dec 19, 2018 @ 9:55pm 
They do make the difference between Scorchlanders and Greenlanders, hence why there is not a single military or priest that isn't a greenlander.

Even Holy Chosens who are nothing more than cannon fodder with tissue armor (i guess they tell them faith is their shield) are greenlanders.

Scorchlanders have Narkos curse (skin color, eyes glowing). They're still tolerated but as you can see in game there's nothing for them in Holy Nation territory other than being a second class "citizen".
You can still climb the zealot ladder though, but that doesn't mean much. At higher reputation you can also come in with skeleton limbs and still be accepted iirc.

It's probably also worth mentionning that the top of the Noble rankings in UC are Scorchlanders, and UC and HN are sworn enemies.

Originally posted by totally not a skeleton:
they don't hate anybody as much as skeletons. they're very prejudice against women and other races, but not "attack on site" like skeletons. still, best way to play it safe with them is male greenlanders.

If you settle in with nothing more than women in HN territory you'll quickly see that it's not that simple.
Last edited by Muscarine; Dec 19, 2018 @ 9:56pm
NS^ Mar 2 @ 6:57am 
No, they don't. At all.

Not a single file, dialogue line or any lore piece even hints at this fact. A Scorchlander would not be differentiated from a Greenlander.

I mean, it's in the Wiki too..

"They are a xenophobic and zealous people who are oppressive towards nonhuman races, women, and anyone who does not agree with their religious beliefs."



Originally posted by NS^:
No, they don't. At all.

Not a single file, dialogue line or any lore piece even hints at this fact. A Scorchlander would not be differentiated from a Greenlander.

I mean, it's in the Wiki too..

"They are a xenophobic and zealous people who are oppressive towards nonhuman races, women, and anyone who does not agree with their religious beliefs."

this is incorrect they see their dark skin as a taint of narko and theefore consider them as inferior, but they rather recently started to accept them amongst them, I just cannot deliver the source for this I think it was in one fo the boosk or letters youc an find.
Shidan Mar 2 @ 8:37am 
I'm not aware of any such book or letter. I've also never read any dialog to imply any level of discrimination against Scorchlanders, past or present.

I've seen that whole "taint of Narko" in the community a few times though, but never with a source. Makes me wonder if it's possibly a false claim that gained some traction. Wouldn't be the first time.
Hi. Found out Stubs Momusso was a Scorchlander after he was beaten in Stack. Since then I never sent my Scorchies into HN land again. Even with Greeenlander males around. Not worth the trouble for me :)
Shidan Mar 2 @ 8:42am 
If he was beaten, it was for some other reason besides race. I've personally sent my scorchies to HN towns on many occasions without issue, they're even allowed to shop which is something other races are forbidden to do.
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When investigated after saw him unconscious the Paladins kept giving scripts about darken/Narko something/vile beast. This was quite a while back. Don't exactly remember the time. Anyways never sent my Scorchies after that till now. All Stubs did was stand in front of the shop selling building materials. Strange was that they never picked him up to be sent to the cages.
Shidan Mar 2 @ 8:53am 
They call all criminals by such names, so that doesn't mean much. Even a greenlander will get called a "darkened one" and the like when being attacked by the HN.

It's entirely possible you simply didn't notice them trying to talk to you for example, as ignoring a paladin attempting to make contact is cause for a beating. Or one of the multitude of other offenses they deem worthy of attacking for. :P
Might be Shidan. Their lands. Never sent my Scorchies after that. Although I have noticed there are no Scorchlander recruits in any HN cities. That is just presumption on my part :)
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