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M* Jan 14, 2017 @ 8:16am
Model 24 Bundle Grenade vastly OP
For 45 munitions these things will wipe an entire 5 man full hp british infantry section, meanwhile the british mills bombs at 25 munitions (and your dignity) are lucky if they kill a single man, on top of that they cost MP + fuel and time to unlock.

Either these model 24s are op or mills bombs are seriously underpowered or both, I've got a feeling that the middle ground is somewhere between the two.

Why isn't this being addressed in the Winter balance preview?
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Glitshy Jan 14, 2017 @ 8:18am 
Ever used British commandos? They have 45 mun grenades with the exact same stats as the Bundulu. Infact, they had these powerful grenades since their release while the Bundulu got only buffed to the same power a few months ago.
Jonnydodger Jan 14, 2017 @ 8:21am 
So... your're comparing a BUNDLED grenade, to a Mills bomb? A 45 muni, long fused, bundled grenade, compared to a 25 muni, short-fused Mills bomb?
I'll say that again: BUNDLED grenade, Mills bomb.
This is a very serious case of L2P. You can't dodge a bundled grenade that's your problem.
DangItBobby Jan 14, 2017 @ 8:23am 
Originally posted by Jonnydodger:
So... your're comparing a BUNDLED grenade, to a Mills bomb? A 45 muni, long fused, bundled grenade, compared to a 25 muni, short-fused Mills bomb?
I'll say that again: BUNDLED grenade, Mills bomb.
This is a very serious case of L2P. You can't dodge a bundled grenade that's your problem.
^this
Maschinengewehr Jan 14, 2017 @ 8:24am 
I think I've used a Mills nade once. I never tech nades as Brits.

Are they the same as the US pineapples or?
ChemicalBacon Jan 14, 2017 @ 8:24am 
Originally posted by Jonnydodger:
So... your're comparing a BUNDLED grenade, to a Mills bomb? A 45 muni, long fused, bundled grenade, compared to a 25 muni, short-fused Mills bomb?
I'll say that again: BUNDLED grenade, Mills bomb.
This is a very serious case of L2P. You can't dodge a bundled grenade that's your problem.
Yup.
Apple meet Orange.
Jonnydodger Jan 14, 2017 @ 8:29am 
Originally posted by Maschinengewehr:
I think I've used a Mills nade once. I never tech nades as Brits.

Are they the same as the US pineapples or?
Yep.
great post with 170 hours l2p
Maschinengewehr Jan 14, 2017 @ 9:24am 
Originally posted by Jonnydodger:
Originally posted by Maschinengewehr:
I think I've used a Mills nade once. I never tech nades as Brits.

Are they the same as the US pineapples or?
Yep.

Yep the they're the same, just checked. Weird thing is that the USF Mk2 actually has a max scatter of 2.75? Dafuq?
Ban1st Jan 14, 2017 @ 9:27am 
Originally posted by Maschinengewehr:
Originally posted by Jonnydodger:
Yep.

Yep the they're the same, just checked. Weird thing is that the USF Mk2 actually has a max scatter of 2.75? Dafuq?
Some stuff is old
there are still people outhere who believes osttruppen still cost 180 and mg42 cost only 200
I mean you can find people like that!
Maschinengewehr Jan 14, 2017 @ 9:29am 
Originally posted by Ban1st:
Originally posted by Maschinengewehr:

Yep the they're the same, just checked. Weird thing is that the USF Mk2 actually has a max scatter of 2.75? Dafuq?
Some stuff is old
there are still people outhere who believes osttruppen still cost 180 and mg42 cost only 200
I mean you can find people like that!

What it should be is 0.00 though? Nades land with pinpoint accuracy. A scatter of 2.75 implies that it can possibly deviate max 2.75 range away from where you clicked? That's odd.

Or its just a typo.
Last edited by Maschinengewehr; Jan 14, 2017 @ 9:29am
Ban1st Jan 14, 2017 @ 9:35am 
Originally posted by Maschinengewehr:
Originally posted by Ban1st:
Some stuff is old
there are still people outhere who believes osttruppen still cost 180 and mg42 cost only 200
I mean you can find people like that!

What it should be is 0.00 though? Nades land with pinpoint accuracy. A scatter of 2.75 implies that it can possibly deviate max 2.75 range away from where you clicked? That's odd.

Or its just a typo.
as far as I know from greandes
there is one thing I see shocked me
if you throw a greande a squad which near of a squad
it blows them up and kills everyone
but if you throw a greande at far range to a enemy squad it leaves 1 men surving with low health
idk if its max 2.75 it must be old or it was before bulletin stack you know %21 farther throwing grendes were awesome!
A table Jan 14, 2017 @ 9:47am 
l2dodge, n00b.
Harry79 Jan 14, 2017 @ 10:24am 
Originally posted by Jonnydodger:
So... your're comparing a BUNDLED grenade, to a Mills bomb? A 45 muni, long fused, bundled grenade, compared to a 25 muni, short-fused Mills bomb?
I'll say that again: BUNDLED grenade, Mills bomb.
This is a very serious case of L2P. You can't dodge a bundled grenade that's your problem.
then how do you think about the Guard's grenade? It also costs 45 munis. But it can not kill anything( in once with one unit throwing. I have tried a lot of times. Now i give up becasue I don't want to wast my muni any more).
Last edited by Harry79; Jan 14, 2017 @ 10:27am
M* Jan 14, 2017 @ 11:50am 
British commandos?!!? That is a weak counter arguement as that forces you down commander path where as the bundles are standard issue, ontop of that the gammon bombs seem a tad weaker.

The fuses are not long, 2 seconds unlike the 4 of the aforementioned commandos if you hit retreat as soon as you see them thrown you'd be lucky to have 1 maybe 2 guys survive, though a complete wipe is still likely, on top of that movement commands are inadequate as they do not move quickly enough to out range the blast radius. This in itself is problematic because for 45 munitions you force a unit to retreat. (and likely cost the opponent a signifigant amount of manpower to reinforce casualties)

The problem with them is that they are a satchel charges worth of damage on a grenades timer. I never said that millbombs would compare on a 1 for 1 basis with bundles, I compared them as it brings to light a massive gap between the two, for a mere 20 munitions more you get something at least 5 times as powerful. Millsbombs are worthless, and that would still remain true if I didn't have to blow fuel and MP on the ability, these bundles however are gamebreaking.



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