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just install steam under wine. that isent that hard.
Just a few work about running steam under wine, with a 64bit linux it has always been a huge mess.
It would be an easy and pragmatic way of improving further the usability of the steam linux client.
Because this is the Steam client for Linux based systems, and on Linux based systems we support native games? Oh, when we are at it, why not implement support for Cider, or an emulator for Android and iOS, or even Amiga. And that would just be the start. Let's have one for everything ever conceived.
And this is related in what way? If you want to improve Wine, developers and contributors can be reached in #winehq on Freenode, or from the web site.
No, this is one of those ideas best suited for filing under "stupid ideas", so we can laugh at them from time to time.
Please note I do not suggest any support, installation, emulation or implementation of anything from the Steam client. I am merely pointing out that, as a Steam and Linux user, like yourself (which does not make any of us parangons of the Clean and Proper Way of Living the Software), I would have great use of accessing the installation files that are provided to other platforms, which could anyway be retrieved through some devious way. Provided there is no DRM or legal reason, it would be just granting access to something already availaible and accounted, for ergonomy's sake.
I certainly know how to contact such a community and report significant issues, as I would (and does as often as possible) gladly contribute to any project that alleviates the human burden. But here, I would have to deal with not only wine project, but all the stuff involved in the chain up to the multilib. I do not think it is worth it to waste the time of all these dedicated and competent people, onto some petty issue that could be addressed in a much saner way.
Most significantly, I prefer, as you do (but in a less honest way), native linux software, that is the reason I prefer Linux Steam client than using the windows one through wine.
And that was just rude.
@ID_AA_Carmack So when are we getting Linux binaries for Rage?
https://twitter.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/195249588557451264
@joedaviso I heard it ran fine under Wine. No plans for a native linux client.
And this is the only guy who release source code of expensive AAA engines as open source, under GPL.
Do you need any other explanation why you're idea is bad?
I don't want to pay for any bunch of Wine-packages in Linux Steam.
Because I already had to run games in Wine with tons of problems, without proper tech-support and guarantee.
There is no way to make Linux-gaming with wine because it's have tons of patent-related problems, Valve could get sued for if they try to distribute any wine binaries, as well as developer.
You guys are raging because Carmack is not dedicating financial resources to adapt a huge code, depending on numerous proprietary technologies not exploitable on GNU/Linux, for a handful of nerds ?
Then, you would rather keep a bad usability to force businessman to consider financing a proper linux port ? You guys are serious ?
I do think that the key here is the volume of gamer that would cross the kernel Rubicon. More people on our side (we are on the same, remember?) will bring more native binaries for linux developped, better graphic drivers, and so on. Wine is not gonna hamper Linux development on the long term, as it could contribute to GNU/Linux adoption from moderately nerdy gamers on the short term, and that is what we need now the most.
You are misinterpreting what I said. There is no need for steam to distribute anything more they are already distributing.
And I do not think neither that Wine gaming is a solution. But occasionnaly, it can turn out to be a temporary relief.
If I remember well, it was Trine, in the Humble Bundle, that has a so-called linux version which was a dirty wine hack : that pissed me off.
It's not cost anything to port their games to Linux.
Years before 100% porting was done by only one id employee in his free time.
Yes. Because it's only way to support platform. Wine-packed windows binaries it's not platform support at all.
It's just only waste of resources because wine never will be even 90% windows-compatible.
If you like wine so much, why do you need native client? Steam inside wine give you 99% of games and performance isn't worse.
if you have any problems with the 64 bit version of wine. then just type these commands in your terminal, and you will get a 32 wine prefix http://www.waydotnet.com/blog/2010/10/winetricks-gentoo-64-bit-wineprefix/
So dont complain about steam. valve are doing a great job right now.
Btw
It was Limbo, not Trine.
Back on topic, there have been numerous requests already for this, easily findable with a search, do we need more threads about it?
For the sake of usability and ideology, I would like to use Wine less often and for less things. To make Linux a usable and attractive gaming platform (and that is with the max of popular games), we can not dismiss wine yet for running games, but that would be an improvement to dismiss the need of it to download them.
And you guys really need to get over yourself : sending signals !? The only thing that is up to us at this point, is helping gamer friends trying to move on Linux, showing it is not so hard and that they can play a good number of games, in order not to repel themselves with some "Wait for the native port".
Encouraging native ports is Gabe's lot, because it is a money game at the time being. Carmack could have helped as well, it is a shame he does not, so much for your open-source hero...
I certainly could have been unclear there, but not dishonest or lying. DirectX is certainly not fully exploitable. I regret as well the performance hit, and look forward the time Wine will not be necessary anymore. OpenGL, I miss you.
You fail to see my point there, and I certainly do see the gaming world evolving in the right direction, and we owe the HiB guys a lot there.
We obviously disagree on the extent of the role Valve has to get to be successfull there. As mentionned before, IMHO it would need all means necessary to get up linux adoption. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine_(software)#Wine_vs._native_Unix_applications