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OrbPlaytime Feb 8, 2021 @ 4:39am
So how many kills farming to get a good MI roll?
So I have just broken through 700 kills barrier each on both Primordian and the Dreeg Guardian focusing on nothing else recently (so continuous) and I am yet to get what would be deemed a strong MI affix-roll, let alone seeing any kind of double rare from either.

Usually I would not need to bother but the build kinda needs good ones due to deliberately using a pretty average 2-H for end-game ( going up against Celestials up to and including Ravager).
Last edited by OrbPlaytime; Feb 8, 2021 @ 4:41am
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Enfild Feb 8, 2021 @ 4:43am 
What are you aiming for? If you are not looking for Double, then in 700 kills you should've get one you need, unless you looking for a very specific combo.
OrbPlaytime Feb 8, 2021 @ 4:53am 
I have only seen a few times the strong rare affix (not even the best ones) but then it rolls with something totally unsuitable.
Seems I am rolling more on rare when it happens with Devastating/Glacial/Resonant/ on the leggings.
The best so far was Stonehide with average rolls (can live with that) but ends up with totally wrong damage type.

Primordian rare when I see it seems to have casting speed/Assassins/Heretic/Interrogator/Magi/etc.

Both have also had rare pet related.

But never acid damage combined with melee type affixes, or if missing damage type boosted synergy in other ways.

Edit:
The plus side is at least killing these 2 takes 2 mins 30secs max from start at Devil's Crossing to end, could had been more depressing if trying longer to farm bosses/enemies.
And I have seen some interesting Legendary drops that I have never seen before lol.
Last edited by OrbPlaytime; Feb 8, 2021 @ 4:57am
Be glad this isn't Titan Quest lol. I can't remember exactly how many kills it took but I spent at least 200-250 hours farming ONLY Anouran Hunters for a double-affixed Bramblewood Bow /w Alacrity or Frenzy. It must have been in the hundreds of thousands, at least, by the time I got one.

I lucked out with Batrachos Greaves on my Harbinger though, otherwise I would have to spend the same time farming those too.
OrbPlaytime Feb 8, 2021 @ 12:14pm 
Originally posted by Befuddled Honey Badger:
Be glad this isn't Titan Quest lol. I can't remember exactly how many kills it took but I spent at least 200-250 hours farming ONLY Anouran Hunters for a double-affixed Bramblewood Bow /w Alacrity or Frenzy. It must have been in the hundreds of thousands, at least, by the time I got one.

I lucked out with Batrachos Greaves on my Harbinger though, otherwise I would have to spend the same time farming those too.

Hah that is true, I remember playing TQ with no guides/etc and the nightmare I had with gear dropping.
Still I do love that game and the Classical mythic feel.
McCloud Feb 8, 2021 @ 12:32pm 
It takes exactly 719 times.
OrbPlaytime Feb 8, 2021 @ 1:03pm 
Originally posted by McCloud:
It takes exactly 719 times.
I wish.
Up to just over 800 kills on both now.
Interesting to see how the weighting mechanism works for these two items regarding the primary affixes I am seeing for the rares.
McCloud Feb 8, 2021 @ 1:17pm 
Maybe do something else.
someone on the main forum can/could tell you the exact chance a given affix has (i don't recall who atm)
but you have the "issue" of item weighting against you potentially too... certain affixes can be harder/lower priority than others depending on the item use/affix desired
easy example would be theodin MI that screams melee use, tho you will have to look a long time before getting an attack speed affix, because it's a scepter class
chaos voldrak is another
even something like certain items that seem pet items might not have a heavier weighting/"bias" towards actual pet affixes.. like hellhound offhand
and even something with actual bias can still RNGesus screw you over, best personal example being legit farmed Loxmeres - where something like ex derma slicers are almost always "guaranteed" to give you at least 1 fitting dual affixed slicer in a session
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kekkuli Feb 9, 2021 @ 1:09am 
Never.
OrbPlaytime Feb 9, 2021 @ 4:19am 
Originally posted by gNuff!~©~gNom3™:
someone on the main forum can/could tell you the exact chance a given affix has (i don't recall who atm)
but you have the "issue" of item weighting against you potentially too... certain affixes can be harder/lower priority than others depending on the item use/affix desired
easy example would be theodin MI that screams melee use, tho you will have to look a long time before getting an attack speed affix, because it's a scepter class
chaos voldrak is another
even something like certain items that seem pet items might not have a heavier weighting/"bias" towards actual pet affixes.. like hellhound offhand
and even something with actual bias can still RNGesus screw you over, best personal example being legit farmed Loxmeres - where something like ex derma slicers are almost always "guaranteed" to give you at least 1 fitting dual affixed slicer in a session

Yeah looking at the weighting of the rare affixes that have dropped so far and which ones repeatedly it is kinda working against me when looking at both MIs from a melee-retal perspective, and that is ignoring double rares as I have seen zero from either.
Probably will stop just before 1000 kills trying to get a good strong single rare because I am not sure I can handle reaching 0.1% and lower lol.
I would had thought even a bad double rare would had dropped from either by now putting aside my specifics even for a single strongly aligned rare affix roll.

Although this can set the reality for others who may need to farm green MIs in general for a strong to very strong one, especially if they are looking at some of the end-game builds to follow.
Ironically on the plus side not long ago I did get Rimefrost of the Elements for Alkamos MI Scythe and it rolled max or within 5% of top values on all, so go figure; probably will do a build around it some point as overall it feels stronger than his Legendary albeit missing the 2 to all skills and that is pretty big.

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OrbPlaytime Feb 9, 2021 @ 8:36am 
So not sure what to make of this experience with 900 kills on each of these bosses.
Putting aside my own requirements what stands out is:
Not one double rare from either of these bosses, but I have seen double rares drop from the mobs that are close-ish to these bosses that needed to be killed.
Weighting while fine tuned probably needs a true overhaul and this can only really be done in a new game development; quite often seeing rare affixes that kinda do not make sense (such as elemental on the amulet that is acid based with conversion) and that is allowing for say pet affixes on the Dreeg leggings maybe for some kind of unusual build.
Last edited by OrbPlaytime; Feb 9, 2021 @ 8:37am
how was your lootfilter setting, "blank" or restricted? coz maybe then you did get some double rares they just wasn't displayed from your filter

but overall agree, while the affix weighting overhaul definitely has helped for a lot of items, it's also made a bit of wonk of others. (and sadly made some few specific entirely impossible now :cgpout: - tho that's unrelated to the weighting)
Last edited by gNuff!~©~gNom3™; Feb 9, 2021 @ 8:46am
OrbPlaytime Feb 9, 2021 @ 8:50am 
Originally posted by gNuff!~©~gNom3™:
how was your lootfilter setting, "blank" or restricted? coz maybe then you did get some double rares they just wasn't displayed from your filter
It is set to show all MIs, show all double rares, just magic and lower off.
However I can confirm I am seeing double rares drop from their close-ish regional mobs, just not from the bosses themselves.
Considering how often running this the drop number from the close mobs kinda works out what you would expect, just surprising 0 from the bosses.
And I am running by all the mobs, these are just those in close-ish proximity to these bosses.
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