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VxWolf Feb 28, 2018 @ 3:39am
FBI files heist entries updated
Reservoir Dogs
There are many crime families in the United States and the Cabots are among the more notable, having been active for several decades. In order to obfuscate their activities and members, they adopt the practice of using color-coded monikers and a standard “uniform” consisting of a black suit and tie which, while it does make them stand out in a crowd, also makes it more difficult to gauge how many there are and single out specific individuals during a chaotic situation. They have nevertheless been adept at keeping a closed lid on their organization save for a few rare occasions. One of their specialties is known to be the theft and distribution of gemstones, which evidently made the Payday gang an ideal partner during a December 14, 2017 heist on a jewelry merchant in Los Angeles. The incident is still, at the time of this writing, being investigated by the local branch, which was in some fashion made aware of the heist beforehand, and thus could ensure that it did not unfold according to plan. (The L.A. office was not however, able to prevent the blood-bath that ensued.) Reportedly, an unknown number of surviving criminals (several of which bore Payday gang masks) evaded capture in vehicles and on foot with an undetermined number of gems. Also, as has recently been established, the heist coincided with an assault at a location in Washington D.C. that is suspected to have been important to the Payday gang.

Notes: L.A. office slow in responding to queries. Have yet to adequately explain how they knew precise details of the attack before it happened. Can find no official record of a tip- anonymous or otherwise. “Exhaustive” investigations undertaken by L.A. office have yielded little tangible. Not one single arrest.

Brooklyn Bank
In what appears to be a growing pattern of non-standard operationational behaviors, the Payday gang unexpectedly hit the Brooklyn branch of the Harvest-Trustee bank on December 21, 2017. The specifics of this robbery are puzzling, as the Payday gang did not abscond with the bulk of the money in the bank, instead breaking open the floor of the vault to, it is suspected, recover some other item of unknown nature and value. The fact that the heist was carried out so close to the incident in Los Angeles may be coincidental, but the Payday gang is not known for spreading itself thinly across the country. Coordination with the Los Angeles branch on the matter has so far yielded very little.

Notes: Bank foundation poured early 20th c. Object must have been there a long time. No records of item in vault floor or other anomalies in building plans. Why change in focus? Possible connection to assault in D.C.?
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VxWolf Feb 28, 2018 @ 3:40am 
Ethan and Hila also got an entry
Originally posted by Clown Case:
Ethan & Hila
This couple seemingly came out of nowhere. No criminal background to speak of, no prior issues of note. Internet personalities known by the general public for their “streams” and “podcasts”, occasionally defending those they deem unfairly judged. As to what skills they possess that would entice an organization such as Crime.net to employ them, we can only speculate at present, taking into account that it may draw public scrutiny.

Hila reportedly has military experience, but to what extent it will be useful to the Payday gang is unknown, even after many weeks of surveillance. There could however be some motive in reasons pertaining to their assumed skill at media manipulation. Why an outfit like the Payday gang would even seem appealing to join from the couple’s perspective, also remains a mystery.
Spence2345 Feb 28, 2018 @ 6:07am 
Originally posted by VxWolf:
Also, as has recently been established, the heist coincided with an assault at a location in Washington D.C. that is suspected to have been important to the Payday gang.
Well now I guess we know without a doubt that Bain is based out of D.C.
lexilogo Feb 28, 2018 @ 5:34pm 
This appears to confirm pretty solidly that Garrett is, at least for now (the new ARG message seems to be changing this situation soon), completely in the dark as to what the hell is going on. It's kinda good to get that confirmation as the police's role in all of this was a tad vague and not very well established.

This might be the conspiracy theorist in me talking, but I think it's quite probable that the specific reasoning is that Garrett is being introduced to the Secret keepers/Beyond Yesterday (the Yakuza, it seems, though there might be more to them than just being yakuzas) because he's relatively new to his position- Who knows who else, maybe even his predecessor, have also recieved offers from these guys? The phrase on their logo, that the kings of tomorrow are bound by fortune and glory to the watchers of yesterday, seems to heavily imply that this is their MO- They negotiate with the "kings of tomorrow", powerful men like Commissoner Garrett, and convince them to co-operate, "binding" the two of them together in a mutually beneficial partnership that I imagine isn't exactly something you can back out of. Clearly, the LAPD, or at least whoever's managing them, are already in on this, and pretty soon Garrett will be too. It'll be interesting to see what happens from there- While it's practically confirmed we're going to be defending The Elephant from a police raid, and likely acquiring another artifact to help the hunt, what happens afterwards is anybody's guess, as Garrett hasn't been co-operative with these guys so far.
Strider Feb 28, 2018 @ 11:40pm 
Only took them 3 months to add Ethan and Hila entries and two for the heists.

Well, either way I'm satisfied that we have an update on the police POV of the events that have gone down. I sincerely hope that if that is indeed the Yakuza's MO that Commissioner Garrett stays out of it because his current lack of involvement is an interesting development. He seems completely in the dark that the LAPD are corrupt.
Last edited by Strider; Mar 1, 2018 @ 12:02am
Finale Mar 2, 2018 @ 11:02am 
I am curious if the "14th" is meant to reference a street in DC that was attacked, as well as/separate from the date of the RVD heist and the attack on Bain.
Patched Mar 2, 2018 @ 7:57pm 
There's also a new email in the Files. Garrett may have contacted Beyond Yesterday/the Secret holders.

Originally posted by Internal Memos Outbox:
Meeting ASAP

Sergeant,

When you get back into the building, please come see me in my office. We need to talk about a significant development.

-Garrett
VxWolf Mar 2, 2018 @ 8:24pm 
Originally posted by Patched:
There's also a new email in the Files. Garrett may have contacted Beyond Yesterday/the Secret holders.

Originally posted by Internal Memos Outbox:
Meeting ASAP

Sergeant,

When you get back into the building, please come see me in my office. We need to talk about a significant development.

-Garrett
that was made last week or so
BreakinBenny Mar 6, 2018 @ 8:55am 
Alrighty.

Time is something we never have enough of, but looking at the smallest unit can make it seem infinitely long. And subtracting the number of rights I have sworn to protect, makes little difference.

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Finale Mar 6, 2018 @ 8:57am 
solved already, sorry! check the secret thread for the solution.
Strider Mar 6, 2018 @ 12:00pm 
Copied from that thread to compile here.

Originally posted by splish:
"SI defines the second as 9,192,631,770 cycles of the radiation that corresponds to the transition between two electron spin energy levels of the ground state of the 133Cs atom."

There are 10 amendments in the Bill of Rights.

9,192,631,770 - 10 = 9192631760

The deciphered text:

"I met your man. The materials he supplied are being looked at to confirm they will hold up to legal scrutiny. To be clear, I have suspected he is dirty for some time, so despite the manufactured nature of the “evidence” you have provided, as well as any intent you may have to compromise my ethics for nefarious reasons, you should know that I will lose no sleep over this, illicit or not. Locking him up will be in the interest of serving the greater good.

Therefore, provided this item you claim ownership of is not overtly dangerous or has a highly illegal status, I will consent to release it to you in exchange for the individual known as Bain.

I am however concerned regarding the reaction of your representative when I asked him about the current health status of the prisoner. Justice will be served either way, it matters little to me, but it would have been preferable for him to stand trial.

Once you confirm receipt of this message, I will begin preparations to apprehend the Congressman."

2nd last paragraph sounds worrying, it sounds like Bain is on the verge of dying or possibly dead.
Spence2345 Mar 6, 2018 @ 1:11pm 
Originally posted by Strider:

2nd last paragraph sounds worrying, it sounds like Bain is on the verge of dying or possibly dead.
Could be that they tortured the ♥♥♥♥ out of bain, so he might have gotten broken mentally if that makes sense
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lexilogo Mar 6, 2018 @ 2:11pm 
Thanks to the smart people who decoded the message this time. I'm gonna offer my two cents on it:

Originally posted by Garrett:
"I met your man. The materials he supplied are being looked at to confirm they will hold up to legal scrutiny. To be clear, I have suspected he is dirty for some time, so despite the manufactured nature of the “evidence” you have provided, as well as any intent you may have to compromise my ethics for nefarious reasons, you should know that I will lose no sleep over this, illicit or not. Locking him up will be in the interest of serving the greater good. "

So yeah, The Elephant is the most likely candidate right now. It seems as if he's getting a taste of his own medicine. I am kinda interested in what "materials" were provided, as it's explicitly clear they're forged, though it may well be something fairly mundane.

I do also have the sneaking suspicion McKendrick may also be a possible candidate for the raid, but I see little reason for Garrett to believe he's corrupt due to McKendrick's actions in appointing him in the first place. For as long as Garrett's known McKendrick, he's been completely clean. So yeah, this further confirms The Elephant as the most likely person for this upcoming attack.

Originally posted by Garrett:
"Therefore, provided this item you claim ownership of is not overtly dangerous or has a highly illegal status, I will consent to release it to you in exchange for the individual known as Bain.

I am however concerned regarding the reaction of your representative when I asked him about the current health status of the prisoner. Justice will be served either way, it matters little to me, but it would have been preferable for him to stand trial."

This is admittedly pretty concerning, but my personal opinion is that I'll refuse to believe Bain's dead til I see the body. From a narrative perspective, just saying "oh yeah bain died after he got kidnapped, good work guys let's go home" would be fairly disappointing- Even if he was going to die, him dying mid-heist would be more dramatic and more satisfying.

My own explanation is simple: Bain's been visibly tortured. He might not be able to stand trial, not because he's dead, but because if he was shown in front of a courtroom, they'd immediately question why he looks so incredibly beaten, and therefore Garrett wouldn't be able to legally prosecute him. Surely, if Bain was simply dead, the rep would just tell Garrett that directly, rather than just having a vaguely concerning reaction? Given all that, I think Bain being critically wounded is more likely.
Originally posted by Strider:
Copied from that thread to compile here.

Originally posted by splish:
"SI defines the second as 9,192,631,770 cycles of the radiation that corresponds to the transition between two electron spin energy levels of the ground state of the 133Cs atom."

There are 10 amendments in the Bill of Rights.

9,192,631,770 - 10 = 9192631760

The deciphered text:

"I met your man. The materials he supplied are being looked at to confirm they will hold up to legal scrutiny. To be clear, I have suspected he is dirty for some time, so despite the manufactured nature of the “evidence” you have provided, as well as any intent you may have to compromise my ethics for nefarious reasons, you should know that I will lose no sleep over this, illicit or not. Locking him up will be in the interest of serving the greater good.

Therefore, provided this item you claim ownership of is not overtly dangerous or has a highly illegal status, I will consent to release it to you in exchange for the individual known as Bain.

I am however concerned regarding the reaction of your representative when I asked him about the current health status of the prisoner. Justice will be served either way, it matters little to me, but it would have been preferable for him to stand trial.

Once you confirm receipt of this message, I will begin preparations to apprehend the Congressman."

2nd last paragraph sounds worrying, it sounds like Bain is on the verge of dying or possibly dead.

That lends credibility to the theory that Bain might be related to the No Mercy remake. The Not-Illuminati might have him moved there under an alias, and instead of looking for a mysterious virus we might, instead, be using the blood vials to run DNA tests or something to make sure it's actually him (that's the ironic thing about Bain never showing us his face, we wouldn't know how to pick him out of a crowd).

I highly doubt he's dead, though. The most logical way this story plays out is that we rescue him, he spills the beans on this "holy grail" thing, and we dedicate most of the next few heists to hunting it down. Before the game's support was extended I was fairly certain that we'd rescue him during the Spring event, have one or two new heists to search for it over the Summer (with a diversion to wrap up the Search for Kento), and then find it as the final heist during Crimefest with the events of the heist leading into Payday 3. I'm still convinced that this was the original plan. But, now that support has been extended, that timetable might be much more fluid.

That being said, I get the feeling that the Elephant is about to buy the farm. I can't see The Congressman being anyone else, and if his cover's blown, I'm not sure what further role he has to play in this story outside of maybe ratting us out, at which point we kill him anyway. (Plus, not only is his actor probably hard to reliably call in, I'm not sure if he'd be a viable contractor if we go international in Payday 3)

Now, the bigger question is... what is this "item" that the Feds have (or will have, at the very least) in their possession that the not-Illuminati are wanting to trade Bain for? Is *this* the Holy Grail? And if so, why don't the Feds know its true value?

Lots of mysteries afoot, and I think we're going to see many more before we get answers...
Strider Mar 8, 2018 @ 5:20am 
We've received another email from the Yakuza (Kataru?), after some very very long decryptions.

Originally posted by カタル@昨日越えて.com:
Then we are in agreement, Mr. Garrett. The Kataru are pleased that Bain’s condition is not of paramount importance to you.

On the day after you have made the arrest, our representative will again meet you at the same hour, in the same donut shop, to discuss when and where the exchange will take place.
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lexilogo Mar 8, 2018 @ 6:28am 
Originally posted by Strider:
We've received another email from the Yakuza (Kataru?), after some very very long decryptions.

Originally posted by カタル@昨日越えて.com:
Then we are in agreement, Mr. Garrett. The Kataru are pleased that Bain’s condition is not of paramount importance to you.

On the day after you have made the arrest, our representative will again meet you at the same hour, in the same donut shop, to discuss when and where the exchange will take place.

My ongoing thanks to the people who decrypt this stuff.

Kataru is something an actual Japanese speaker will likely be able to decipher far better than I, but the best I can find is relation to verbs about telling/talking, or about decieving/cheating. "Kataru" appears to be the official name of this weird Yakuza sect, and while I don't fully understand the significance of the word, I can get the general gist of it and it goes along with the role they've played so far. I've seen other people state that Kataru specifically means "to tell" as opposed to merely speaking or saying something, so Kataru could be interpreted as a reinforcement that these guys are giving orders, or telling people what to do.

That's not a completely satisfactory translation in my eyes though, so someone else may have something far better thanks to an actual understanding of the language. An organisation identifying themselves via a verb as opposed to a noun is kinda weird, but maybe I'm just ignorant of the Japanese language and "Kataru" in this context would seamlessly translate into an actual noun. Perhaps there is a more obscure meaning of Kataru I'm unaware of, as well. (It does fit well with previous descriptons of "Watchers of yesterday" if we take Kataru as meaning reciters/narrators of old stories, or something like that)

The final bit actually makes me question if we will intercept The Elephant's police raid like I was assuming, or if the Payday gang will let it occur/fail to stop it, and the REAL progress will be made when the gang intercept the trade of the artifact/Bain. We'll see when the heist releases.

My final thoughts, though: The significance of "Kataru" to me isn't necessarily what the name means so much as it is that there is a name. Kataru is the closest we've ever gotten to a direct namedrop as to what these bad guys are, and IMO lowers the possibility of the "secret keepers" being a conglomerate, and more points towards a specific elite group of Yakuza being the secret keepers. Under these circumstances, I find it more likely that groups like Murkywater and potentially Gensec are merely allies to the Kataru and not full-blown members, much like Garrett's current status.
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