Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine 2

Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine 2

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ASTRA Aug 16, 2024 @ 7:08pm
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Will there be Female presets?
I'm all for playing as a badass giant space marine, but will there be an option on say multiplayer or coop to make female presets for us female players?
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CyberGhost Aug 26, 2024 @ 8:12am 
HOPE NOT. STICK TO TRUE CANON
Ben85 Aug 26, 2024 @ 8:13am 
No you provided a counter to your own point 😂

The rights to use Daleks are in joint ownership with the BBC and the Nation Estate. The Estate has to sign off on any scripts etc that the BBC come up with. Correct.

There was never such a contract, licence or joint ownership between GDW and GW.
Therefore anything GDW published is fan fiction at best, copyright infringement at worst. The sisters of purification, were never canon. Ever.

You want to alter a long established lore of Space Marines. So you can put female heads on Space Marine models... which you can already do.

You're either lying and there is an alternative motive, or you are a tourist.
Ben85 Aug 26, 2024 @ 8:19am 
Originally posted by Marlon Brandolorian:
Even after female Custodes have been in the game? Weird..

A single short story in one codex is hardly enough to turn most fans away.

More blatantly pointless retcons like it might though.
The_Dipl0mat Aug 26, 2024 @ 8:24am 
Originally posted by Worthy85:
No you provided a counter to your own point 😂

The rights to use Daleks are in joint ownership with the BBC and the Nation Estate. The Estate has to sign off on any scripts etc that the BBC come up with. Correct.

There was never such a contract, licence or joint ownership between GDW and GW.
Therefore anything GDW published is fan fiction at best, copyright infringement at worst. The sisters of purification, were never canon. Ever.

You want to alter a long established lore of Space Marines. So you can put female heads on Space Marine models... which you can already do.

You're either lying and there is an alternative motive, or you are a tourist.

Due to the nebulous state of the lore at the time, and the fact that they were willing to let 3rd party individuals sell stories regarding new characters (a chapter) for a profit, shows that they were quite willing to let anything be associated with the IP in that time period and thus become canon. If you believe otherwise, then go ahead. Make a new chapter or something similar. Be sure not to label it as unofficial. Throw it in a magazine, and start selling.

I think, if you've read my messages correctly. My primary issue with alternative methods is a lack of quality that doesn't hold up to the GW standard, resulting in me either using other kits or just saying they're women under the helmet. Official head sculpts would be dope, hence why I'm all for it. Of course, whether they do or don't is no skin off my back. I still get to enjoy my plastic war dolls either way and tell their silly lil stories

To try to boil it down to I'm either lying or a tourist is, and mind the wording. Utterly pathetic.
The_Dipl0mat Aug 26, 2024 @ 8:25am 
Originally posted by Worthy85:
Originally posted by Marlon Brandolorian:
Even after female Custodes have been in the game? Weird..

A single short story in one codex is hardly enough to turn most fans away.

More blatantly pointless retcons like it might though.

Such as Horus's death? Or Centurions. Or Zahndrekh actually faking his dementia? Or changing the Dark Imperium timeline?
Ben85 Aug 26, 2024 @ 8:56am 
So the Dalek thing had nothing to do with it then.

Just because they didn't stop one obscure American publication from writing fan fiction doesn't make anything outside of GWs remit canon. And certainly not in what became the decades long established lore of 40k since 2nd Ed.

I work in 3d printing and resin casting. Printers, even the small form one I have, are easily capable of producing similar if not better models than GW.
Which is exactly why GW use them to create the masters they use to create the tools they use to cast their miniatures.

You're lying then. There's another reason you want GW themselves to cater to your specific need to have female Space Marines.
Ben85 Aug 26, 2024 @ 8:57am 
Originally posted by The_Dipl0mat:
Originally posted by Worthy85:

A single short story in one codex is hardly enough to turn most fans away.

More blatantly pointless retcons like it might though.

Such as Horus's death? Or Centurions. Or Zahndrekh actually faking his dementia? Or changing the Dark Imperium timeline?

Yes.
The_Dipl0mat Aug 26, 2024 @ 9:14am 
Originally posted by Worthy85:
So the Dalek thing had nothing to do with it then.

Just because they didn't stop one obscure American publication from writing fan fiction doesn't make anything outside of GWs remit canon. And certainly not in what became the decades long established lore of 40k since 2nd Ed.

I work in 3d printing and resin casting. Printers, even the small form one I have, are easily capable of producing similar if not better models than GW.
Which is exactly why GW use them to create the masters they use to create the tools they use to cast their miniatures.

You're lying then. There's another reason you want GW themselves to cater to your specific need to have female Space Marines.

The Dalek thing was a bad anology, I admit that. However, it remains true that they were given permission from GW to create the publication. I'll agree it wasn't necessarily canon, but at the time of its creation it had no lore to counteract it, and as such existed in a state where whilst not canon, could certainly be so. Until the profits deemed otherwise.

As we've both seen, decades long lore means nothing in terms of models. From the new Primaris range, to Custodes in armor. If they want to do a model, they'll do a model.

Not sure what to tell you, all the 3d stuff I've gotten has been of lower quality to official GW work. Hence why I barely use it. I think the only printed things I still have is two knights (one of which is an Imperial Paladin, the details are ♥♥♥♥♥ but its in such a cool pose that its whatever. Came with the car I bought from a friend) and a cyclops demolition unit. Hell, my friend once gave me a printed rhino and then it was oozing resin all the way up until I tossed it. The sculpts I've bought I ended up tossing as they just didn't look right.

Ah, so now I'm lying? My guy, you're being absolutely delusional. I think women being Astartes would be cool to see, because it seems cool. I recognize that it's illogical for them to have a radically different armor design to seperate them from them men. Plus I think big bulky armor is cooler anyways. Ergo, heads for women is the best solution. Not to mention far more practical.

Remember, just because you disagree with someone doesn't mean they have a sneaky ulterior motive to ruin everything you've ever loved
The_Dipl0mat Aug 26, 2024 @ 9:16am 
Originally posted by Worthy85:
Originally posted by The_Dipl0mat:

Such as Horus's death? Or Centurions. Or Zahndrekh actually faking his dementia? Or changing the Dark Imperium timeline?

Yes.
Or the 3 Necron retcons? Or the retcon of Custodes wearing armor? Or the Squats coming back in the same time period they were gone?

GW often does retcons, it's best to just stick with what you enjoy and make headcanons with it. For example, the Tau that are fused with my Death Guard vehicles are from when they were genuinely just good guys with no brainwashing. Just to make their eternal torment a smidge worse
Ben85 Aug 26, 2024 @ 9:36am 
So the entire sisters of purification thing was BS great, glad we could clear that up 👍

Decades long lore should mean everything to the models. That's my point. GW have shown, repeatedly now, they are drunk behind the wheel. They do not respect the lore they are custodians of and it absolutely turns people off.

You still don't get what I'm saying, 40k doesn't belong to GW or you or me alone. Yet they continue to abuse the lore and you and others who pine for fsm continue to want to change it for your personal tastes.

"I think women being Astartes would be cool"

"I think big bulky armor is cooler"

"Ergo, heads for women is the best solution"

The solution: Just leave it alone. There's nothing wrong with astartes being male only.
The_Dipl0mat Aug 26, 2024 @ 9:50am 
Originally posted by Worthy85:
So the entire sisters of purification thing was BS great, glad we could clear that up 👍

Decades long lore should mean everything to the models. That's my point. GW have shown, repeatedly now, they are drunk behind the wheel. They do not respect the lore they are custodians of and it absolutely turns people off.

You still don't get what I'm saying, 40k doesn't belong to GW or you or me alone. Yet they continue to abuse the lore and you and others who pine for fsm continue to want to change it for your personal tastes.

"I think women being Astartes would be cool"

"I think big bulky armor is cooler"

"Ergo, heads for women is the best solution"

The solution: Just leave it alone. There's nothing wrong with astartes being male only.
Sure, if that's what you want to think

The lore is meant to basically be an advertisement for the models. A supplemental thing. The models are like fish, and the lore is the chips. They're the real substance. Warhammer started as models first, and it continues to be models first. Sure, the lore is neat, we all know that. But to act as if the lore supercedes the importance of the models is ignoring what Warhammer is all about. Which is why it's models>tabletop>lore. Though I can see an argument being made for it being tabletop>models>lore

40k quite literally does belong to Games Workshop though? They control who can and can't use it in official publications. The most fans do is purchase the products and maybe make suggestions. Fans don't make official models. Fans don't make official books. Fans don't make official games. Unless they're hired, obviously. And this is assuming that the creatives at GW aren't fans (which is just, blatantly false)

Sure, that also works. I'm not saying the solution I'm suggesting is actually required. Whether they do or don't isn't up to you or I. If they don't and continue as is? Oh well, I'm still gonna buy models. If they do? I'm still gonna buy models. I just find it fun to think about how they could go about it.
Ben85 Aug 26, 2024 @ 9:54am 
Originally posted by The_Dipl0mat:
GW often does retcons

That would be the problem yes.
It's to often and often badly written.
The_Dipl0mat Aug 26, 2024 @ 9:56am 
Originally posted by Worthy85:
Originally posted by The_Dipl0mat:
GW often does retcons

That would be the problem yes.
It's to often and often badly written.

And they've been doing them
Gasp! since its inception! Its almost like they're primarily focused on models then have over a hundred writers working on supplemental stories or something rather than a small core group of writers

EDIT: added a since
Last edited by The_Dipl0mat; Aug 26, 2024 @ 9:57am
Radzui Aug 26, 2024 @ 10:08am 
No female space marines exiist. tho a Sisters of Battle dlc isnt a bad idea due to the new lore for them.
Ben85 Aug 26, 2024 @ 10:33am 
"Sure, if that's what you want to think"

"I'll agree it wasn't necessarily canon"

I mean that's what you just said but ok.

A franchise without fans is not a franchise.

Without lore, what constitutes a Space Marine, a Sister of Battle or a Tyranid Warrior?
If you remove lore you have space soldier#1, warrior nun#7 and generic alien#3.

If you remove models, you still have a vast rich setting and lore full of amazing stories.

But they exist together, it doesn't matter what came 1st 30 years ago. Though for all intents they launched both models and rulebook (with lore) simultaneously.
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Date Posted: Aug 16, 2024 @ 7:08pm
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