(SERIOUS REPLIES ONLY) FEMALE ASTARTES/ REPRESENTATION

[Skau]

IF YOU JESTER REACT. YOU ARE STUPID. FORM AN ACTUAL ARGUEMENT AND REPLY SO WE CAN DISCUSS THE ISSUE.

Look, I'll start this off by saying I've been a member of the Warhammer community now for an extensive period of time (roughly 2 years~ since I started the hobby), and I've been playing Warhammer and Warhammer adjacent games for the entirety of that time. Ever since I began I have STRONGLY felt that the exclusion of femininity from the primary cast of characters in Warhammer is extremely disgusting. Most notably: The Emperor and his primarchs, the astartes in their chapters, and many of the characters besides.

It's not even that we need more female inclusivity (which we do). It's also that we need more sexual inclusivity, including homosexuality and bisexuality, which are two things which are incredibly lacking in the Warhammer lore and amongst the astartes in particular.

I am not opposed to any arguements or disagreements on the topic, but I feel like we really have to be a serious, strong, united community and have a genuine discord about this topic going forwards. This is a live service game, anything can happen people. Personally I would love it if they finally bent, distanced themselves from the malicious ways of the 90s, and finally added female Astartes.

Edit: The Jester awards only prove your own stupidity.

[The_Dipl0mat]

Originally posted by w10-20-2000:

Originally posted by The_Dipl0mat:

The overall gist I get from the Imperium with all these factors. Where LGBTQ+ folks are generally accepted, no issues with people of color. Is that there's bigger issues. Who cares if your neighbor or governor is gay or a different gender than the one they had at birth. Their bigotry is based more on physical characteristics and things like witches. And even the physical characteristics is iffy due to how genestealers work. So think of it like this.

Who cares if your neighbor/governor/whoever is gay. Or a different gender than the one they were born as. There's been word of witches, and you can swear you saw someone a few hab blocks down move a brick with their mind. There's also an Ogryn who just got sent to your farm, and how are you supposed to trust a great big lumbering oaf? After all, he just looks so different. Then of course there's the overall threat of xenos. There's genuinely more issues to make propaganda of and be actively against than if Bob bones Jake or if Bianca becomes Blake.

But! This also varies planet to planet. Some are more accepting, some are less accepting (typically the more rural a planet is). So there can be homophobic communities, there can be fully queer communities, ect ect. Tis a great big universe after all

Again what you are describing is very progressive. They overcame all prejudice based on non-physical aspects, that Monumental. And Imperium is supposed to be hell to live in and the example of what not to do. But the more Black Library i read, the more i see them as plain good guys or more of modern lore i see.

They give equal right to man and women, to all races and even to some mutants that are sanctioned, hell, they might even thrown a xenos or two if they are sanctioned

This is wrong, when i start to think of Imperium of Man and see similarities to Sith Empire, you know someone went in the wrong turn when adding to the lore

Not quite. They're untrustworthy of insane individuals, they're suspicious of people who may be psykers, and just paranoid in general. While most are equal on the level, it doesn't mean it's a high bar. Sure, it's fine to be gay or trans. Who cares, get back into the 18 hour shift at the arm crushing factory. Or go die in the sewers as they install a new sewer grate only to be killed by a rat of unknown size the city doesn't really care about. Because it's only killing unimportant people. Or be randomly killed after an judge settled a 13 generation long case and deemed your great great great great great great great grandpa a criminal and now you need to die for his crimes. Or just be sentenced to death for adding flavor flakes to your corpse starch rations.

Just because there's a form of equality, doesn't mean life is going to actually be good or pleasant to live in.

[The_Dipl0mat]

Originally posted by w10-20-2000:

Originally posted by The_Dipl0mat:

Not quite. They're untrustworthy of insane individuals, they're suspicious of people who may be psykers, and just paranoid in general. While most are equal on the level, it doesn't mean it's a high bar. Sure, it's fine to be gay or trans. Who cares, get back into the 18 hour shift at the arm crushing factory. Or go die in the sewers as they install a new sewer grate only to be killed by a rat of unknown size the city doesn't really care about. Because it's only killing unimportant people. Or be randomly killed after an judge settled a 13 generation long case and deemed your great great great great great great great grandpa a criminal and now you need to die for his crimes. Or just be sentenced to death for adding flavor flakes to your corpse starch rations.

Just because there's a form of equality, doesn't mean life is going to actually be good or pleasant to live in.

They give more rights than some modern countries do, equal isn't fair or pleasant. But by being equal they defeat the "evil" aspect of the government. It's not that Imperium is evil you see, all positions of power is shared between man and women and we even have female custodes, so equality came to highest order of warriors with absolute power.

The people are evil, if only we had good governors, then Imperium would crush everything in the galaxy.

This is silly, seems like something i would read from old star wars lore, which is a very low bar that 40k should even be near of. That why something bare bones like Trench Crusade drawn's people attention easily. 40k losing it's edge. I mean is it really different from Sith Empire ? Sith Empire might be actually worse. It torments it's enemies because pain and suffering gives Sith power. Imagine if Drukhari had the size of Imperium.

What 40k Imperium does that is horrible ? Kills hostile aliens ? Has prejudice to insane people who can be psykers and open portal to hell ? Low class dies while in hard labor, pretty much like in every country ever ?

If Imperium is equal than it's easy to root for them and not for chaos, and that removes the central conflict in the universe. Which is why i can't say i like Black Library. They made clear villains and heroes, which is a big waste with such rich setting

Except they don't defeat the evil aspects? They've ground up species formerly allied with them for medicine. They kill xenos who have aided them. They create horrid living conditions, and refuse to try to improve quality of life. It isn't even a matter of good governors, as even when everything was lined up for the Imperium conditions still weren't great.

The Imperium actively treats its citizens like ♥♥♥♥, they don't just kill hostile xenos, they kill any xenos. With rare exceptions being when they're A) harmless and B) don't have special resources. An example of this was a race of xenos that was harmless, but then they found out something in them is useful for anti-aging tech. So then they killed every single one, and if memory serves right it wasn't even that good. They have active prejudice against anyone different on a physical level, unless they're useful such as Ogryns/Ratlings. Which feeds into their hypocritical nature. The Imperium is a genuinely ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up place to live within. I mean ♥♥♥♥, just take a look at Gambol the toy clown.

You can dislike Black Library as much as you like, but they launched with 3rd edition. Which is when GW started settling down a bit more with lore

[The_Dipl0mat]

Originally posted by w10-20-2000:

Originally posted by The_Dipl0mat:

Except they don't defeat the evil aspects? They've ground up species formerly allied with them for medicine. They kill xenos who have aided them. They create horrid living conditions, and refuse to try to improve quality of life. It isn't even a matter of good governors, as even when everything was lined up for the Imperium conditions still weren't great.

The Imperium actively treats its citizens like ♥♥♥♥, they don't just kill hostile xenos, they kill any xenos. With rare exceptions being when they're A) harmless and B) don't have special resources. An example of this was a race of xenos that was harmless, but then they found out something in them is useful for anti-aging tech. So then they killed every single one, and if memory serves right it wasn't even that good. They have active prejudice against anyone different on a physical level, unless they're useful such as Ogryns/Ratlings. Which feeds into their hypocritical nature. The Imperium is a genuinely ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up place to live within. I mean ♥♥♥♥, just take a look at Gambol the toy clown.

You can dislike Black Library as much as you like, but they launched with 3rd edition. Which is when GW started settling down a bit more with lore

There are alien who see you as:
1. Food
2. Toys to torture
3. Slaves

There are god that will either:
1. Make you into rotting corpse spitting bile
2. Make you horny animal that ♥♥♥♥♥ and gets ♥♥♥♥♥♥ for eternity
3. Make you senseless maniac that will kill babies with rocks just to get the buzzing out of his head
4. Make you insane or eternally suffering puppet

And you telling me that there is faction that opposes that, give me equal rights, supports LGBTQ, Trans and feminists. And the trade-off is occasional death, prejudice to EXTREMELY dangerous ideas and enemies (go ahead give freedom to psykers and see whole planet of innocent people dies horribly from chaos) and harsh living conditions ? No ♥♥♥♥, Sherlock, we are in a constant state of war against enemies that want to destroy us, Hell you get less rights in someplace like Iraq and more prejudice

The Imperium likewise sees its citizens as food, toys to torture, and slaves. The "occasional" death is downplayed to being a frequent occurrence, alongside frequent mutilation.

The Imperium's god actively eats thousands of citizens a day (the psykers), with the Imperium actively turning citizens into their own form of possessed, servitors. Which is even their own form of being turned into an eternal puppet. The reason people even turn to chaos in the first place is solely because of how ♥♥♥♥♥♥ it is to even live in the Imperium. The Imperium directly supplies its greatest foe with forces by just being such a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ faction to be a part of.

[Rad]

Clearly not a real fan. For starters Warhammer 40k has been around since 1987. It started as a wild satire of many political and relgious empires/real life examples mixed with various fantasy settings. Eldar, orks are exagerrated examples of tolkiens works.

Modern 40k is mostly something know as Grimmdark, a term inspired by the intro for warhammer 40k. It has become a little bit more serious.
But 40k is an extreme universe. Extreme religious persecution, extreme masculinity, extreme violence, extreme paranoia, extreme epic battles, extreme daemons.
Warhammer isn't about representation. It's post apocalyptic wargaming in a grimmdark world, it's escapism, and politics and representation are not the point of a grimm post apoc universe. Nor is enlightenment or sense, it doesn't have to make sense, if you want a utopia, watch star trek.

A core part of the world building an power balancing is "so much has been lost, never to be recovered" The emperor figured out how to make space marines, but the gene pool is narrow, not only do you need to be compatible, you must survive it.
So you have narrow recruitment, which adds to the world building, chapters normally recruit hardcore gangers or tribal death world inhabitants, and even of those many perish before and during trials.
To water down 40k fundamentally misunderstands it. 40k isn't a fair universe, and the emperor is a flawed ruler. it is most comparable to Greek myth, the idea of insane gods, of tragedy and metaphysical stories.
To demand female space marines ignores the narrow recruitment gene pool of space marines, it also ignores real life science, which is the top % of women athletes are not even close to the middle 50% of male athletes, and astartes are recruited from the top 0.1% and many of those perish from the trials or latent gene incompatibility. It balanced the universe, it makes it more harsh. The tech of 40k is not perfect and the fact so many healthy aspirants perish is proof of that.
There are badass female factions, and the separation adds to the themes of a dark age, a catholic hellhole.
Pre-imperial golden age humanity would have successfully done it, and they would have make super genetic warriors who could be recruited from anywhere, and they'd cure every mental instability with super science and make allies out of aliens.
But 40k is post apocalyptic, the fall of the human empire thanks to the abominable intelligences, machines that consumed entire systems.
it's heavily inspired by the butlerian jihad from dune, and the paranoia around thinking machines.

All that to say, it is never implied only straight white super men defend humanity, in fact the imperial guard is stated to hold the line, the men and women of. That most of humanities walls have been held against accursed traitors, including the damnable chaos space marines, by the men and women of the imperial guard.
To clean up and fix the imperium, have girl space marines, and openly gay characters and have it be all rainbowy just breaks the setting. It's a time where the inquisition exists
The emperors own son has to contend with the high lords of terra, he can't dismantle the religion that his father inadvertently spawned. It's a regressive time of fear, paranoia, constant war, standing out risks censure and worst.

When golden age humans time travelled and tried to warn humanity of the end, the planet they landed on called them heretics and burned them alive at the stake.

Keep your politics out of my fandom. People like you have ruined escapism into fiction enough, you killed star wars, you killed marvel, you killed star trek, and so many games. 40k communites don't care if you're a women or gay, but if you try to change our tabletop game, to push any sort of politics, you're the bully, go away. Make your own game if that's what you want, more power to you. But there is nothing wrong with this setting, and it doesn't need to change, it is perfectly imperfect, just the way it is.
If you change it, you will lose your long time fans, by making the setting lame and broken. Just like rings of power.

[Trixey-Bun]

Originally posted by The_Dipl0mat:

The Imperium actively treats its citizens like ****

Well exactly, and it's no big secret that's the case either. I do wonder if some people are just stuck in the mindset of needing a binary choice; either cheer for the good "guys", or side up with the bad "guys". After all, the concept of everyone actually being bad is quite a novel concept in media and entertainment. Perhaps the appeal of, and option of picking, the faction that is subjectively less bad than the others is something people just struggle with for whatever reason.

This actual quote from GW should make it pretty clear:

"There are no goodies in the Warhammer 40,000 universe.

None.

Especially not the Imperium of Man.

Its numberless legions of soldiers and zealots bludgeon their way across the galaxy, delivering death to anyone and anything that doesn’t adhere to their blinkered view of purity. Almost every man and woman toils in misery either on the battlefield – where survival is measured in hours – or in the countless manufactorums and hive slums that fuel the Imperial war machine. All of this in slavish servitude to the living corpse of a God-Emperor whose commandments are at best only half-remembered, twisted by time and the fallibility of Humanity.

Warhammer 40,000 isn’t just grimdark. It’s the grimmest, darkest.

The Imperium of Man stands as a cautionary tale of what could happen should the very worst of Humanity’s lust for power and extreme, unyielding xenophobia set in. Like so many aspects of Warhammer 40,000, the Imperium of Man is satirical."

Originally posted by The_Dipl0mat:

There's genuinely more issues to make propaganda of and be actively against than if Bob bones Jake or if Bianca becomes Blake.

Oh my, this did make me chuckle, but so true. But then especially on here, there's a culture of picking on one small thing and then attempting to elevate it beyond the stature and focus of the bigger picture.

People see things the way they want to I guess, even though it contradicts the reality of the setting.

[The_Dipl0mat]

Originally posted by w10-20-2000:

Originally posted by The_Dipl0mat:

The Imperium likewise sees its citizens as food, toys to torture, and slaves. The "occasional" death is downplayed to being a frequent occurrence, alongside frequent mutilation.

The Imperium's god actively eats thousands of citizens a day (the psykers), with the Imperium actively turning citizens into their own form of possessed, servitors. Which is even their own form of being turned into an eternal puppet. The reason people even turn to chaos in the first place is solely because of how ♥♥♥♥♥♥ it is to even live in the Imperium. The Imperium directly supplies its greatest foe with forces by just being such a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ faction to be a part of.

A lot of vague phrases. There is no numbers present, because you know that Imperium is so massive that this deaths won't even be noticed. For example in USA there was 49k suicides in 2022, death every 11 minutes. This is NOTHING on the scale of 330 million people. What Imperium sacrifices is a grain of sand in the desert. If you think it's so bad you should read what SS did, or other less equal countries do now

40k is supposed to be grimdark, i don't see it with all of the lgbtq or other rights. Because it's not, Imperium is clearly the good guys fighting the bad chaos, with the system that you describe, with progressive ideas and liberal support of sexuality, as soon as Imperium is done with Chaos, it will be reformed into paradise. War time countries also had ♥♥♥♥♥♥ rights and a lot of deaths, see Ukraine that banned leaving the country for a lot of citizens and actively demand other countries to deport male refugees.

It's natural to become less and less liberal under pressure, but even under all the troubles Imperium is too good to be considered bad

Before Chaos was even an active foe, they weren't in a utopia. The Imperium is always a self defeating machine that grinds its citizens apart on a massive scale to the point where a servitorized human isn't a shocking thing, but a day to day thing. Hence why nobody gives two ♥♥♥♥♥ why say, the door control is a human skull.

They're so ♥♥♥♥♥♥ they actively make people go to Chaos. As you've said, Chaos sucks ass. Imagine how ♥♥♥♥♥♥ something has to be that people want to jump ship in order to try to have a better life with something that sucks as much as Chaos does

EDIT: Fixed typo

[The_Dipl0mat]

Originally posted by w10-20-2000:

Originally posted by The_Dipl0mat:

Before Chaos was even an active foe, they weren't in a utopia. The Imperium is always a self defeating machine that grinds its citizens apart on a massive scale to the point where a servitorized human isn't a shocking thing, but a day to day thing. Hence why nobody gives two ♥♥♥♥♥ why say, the door control is a human skull.

They're so ♥♥♥♥♥♥ they actively make people go to Chaos. As you've said, Chaos sucks ass. Imagine how ♥♥♥♥♥♥ something has to be that people want to jump ship in order to try to have a better life with something that sucks as much as Chaos does

EDIT: Fixed typo

Again no concrete evidence. They sucked compared to what ? Chaos is worse, aliens want worse fate to humanity, Emperor as Black Library Stated had idea of completely shutting down humanity from chaos, Goal so noble nothing even comes close to paint him the bad guy.

And even if we set aside the setting, what Imperium did, doesn't even come close to real world cruelty, go read what tortures SS had, what in medieval times people did to criminals, what cartels do now for fun, or what kind of treatment was given to people during something like Vietnam war. Nothing like bombing civilians with napalm yeah ?

How exactly is 40k Imperium grimdark ? Hell, why is it even dark when you clearly imbecile if you oppose the Emperor. You will break from Imperium to do what ? Die from alien raids ? Die from warp ? Die from starvation ? Orks or Tyrannids anyone ?

Imperium is what keeps humanity well fed, well equipped and protected. And would you look at that they are also equal and progressive. What more do you want in the galaxy of endless war and cruelty ?

They suck ass in comparison to say, the Tau. They suck ass compared to the Interex, they suck ass compared to the Golden Apostlex, they suck ass compared to the Diasporex. Hell, someone even just provided an example of that ship of Golden Age humans who tried warning the Imperium only to be called heretics and killed.

And yes, those all suck ass. Now multiply that by a thousand and spread it across the galaxy. There's the casual ♥♥♥♥ the Imperium gets up to on a day to day basis

If you're asking how the Imperium is grimdark, please. Just take a gander. Look at the ambience in Darktide, look at servitors, look at the countless examples of how it treats its people.

Humanity is not well fed, well protected, or well equipped. They have to grind up people to use as rations for many, many planets. They can't produce most of their most powerful tech, it's falling apart, and they're unable to defend planets that aren't of key importance.

[The_Dipl0mat]

Originally posted by w10-20-2000:

Originally posted by The_Dipl0mat:

They suck ass in comparison to say, the Tau. They suck ass compared to the Interex, they suck ass compared to the Golden Apostlex, they suck ass compared to the Diasporex. Hell, someone even just provided an example of that ship of Golden Age humans who tried warning the Imperium only to be called heretics and killed.

And yes, those all suck ass. Now multiply that by a thousand and spread it across the galaxy. There's the casual ♥♥♥♥ the Imperium gets up to on a day to day basis

If you're asking how the Imperium is grimdark, please. Just take a gander. Look at the ambience in Darktide, look at servitors, look at the countless examples of how it treats its people.

Humanity is not well fed, well protected, or well equipped. They have to grind up people to use as rations for many, many planets. They can't produce most of their most powerful tech, it's falling apart, and they're unable to defend planets that aren't of key importance.

Again your examples is not concrete, they are young and it remains to be seen what will happen in thousands of years. Humanity was in full darkness as a food for predators before the Emperor.

There is literally nothing better for humans, Tau is still dominate their government with Tau race.

One ship, one world or small empire is nothing compared to what Imperium does for humanity, in technology, protection from the warp and advancing humanity as a race. If you forgotten Imperium used to completely dominate the galaxy before heresy. Non of your examples are even close to prosperity on such massive scale. And will never be close

Even humans from the Golden Age of Technology who time traveled forward. Who were in a timeframe of prosperity. Warned the Imperium of the path they're on, and got labeled as heretics and killed.

The Imperium is so ♥♥♥♥♥♥ that even the Tau empire seems like a utopia compared to them, even though they'd be the villains in any other franchise. Sure, humans would be second rate citizens. But it'd be better than being whatever class they're on. Fifty or something.

The Imperium, is absolute ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ to live in. Nobody cares about things like sexuality or gender due to more pressing matters like the ones I've already mentioned. On top of starving and being overworked. They're just like everyone else, AKA. Not the good guys

[Lich]

Originally posted by Skau:

IF YOU JESTER REACT. YOU ARE STUPID. FORM AN ACTUAL ARGUEMENT AND REPLY SO WE CAN DISCUSS THE ISSUE.

Look, I'll start this off by saying I've been a member of the Warhammer community now for an extensive period of time (roughly 2 years~ since I started the hobby), and I've been playing Warhammer and Warhammer adjacent games for the entirety of that time. Ever since I began I have STRONGLY felt that the exclusion of femininity from the primary cast of characters in Warhammer is extremely disgusting. Most notably: The Emperor and his primarchs, the astartes in their chapters, and many of the characters besides.

It's not even that we need more female inclusivity (which we do). It's also that we need more sexual inclusivity, including homosexuality and bisexuality, which are two things which are incredibly lacking in the Warhammer lore and amongst the astartes in particular.

I am not opposed to any arguements or disagreements on the topic, but I feel like we really have to be a serious, strong, united community and have a genuine discord about this topic going forwards. This is a live service game, anything can happen people. Personally I would love it if they finally bent, distanced themselves from the malicious ways of the 90s, and finally added female Astartes.

Edit: The Jester awards only prove your own stupidity.

You are ruining our games with your iclusivity

[Herald536]

Originally posted by The_Dipl0mat:

Originally posted by Herald_UK:

Clown me all you want. Won't make it any less true.

I mean, the point I made above you shows it as literally not true lmao. There's been LGBTQ+ characters present in lore since about 2004, if not earlier. Only five years after GW started producing books

Then there's also women present in the Arbites, Custodes, Imperial Guard (and their special forces), Navy, ect ect

Thought this was about Space Marines specifically. Can't deny the women stuff. I don't know about the gay stuff though. Not something I've really come across only until recently, with you lot. This "long history of gaydom" with the 40K franchise simply does not exist on this end of the reality scale. So don't know if that's just wishful thinking on your part or Internet hear say. Plus who is rubbing their junk on who is not something I really care to think about when it comes to 40K. I'm not even sure why people even want this. Like it matters. My money shots tend to be in the form of Bolt rounds. What game are you actually wanting to play here ? Either way, it's not something that I would consider valid. You do you, by all means. Just don't expect it to fit me and don't rub my face in it just because you get a kick out of being unpleasant towards the people who disagree with you. In case you are not paying attention. It is basically this strategy that has all but destroyed the fan bases of most of the major ips, this last 12 years. And now like locusts, you're here for Warhammer.

Ah well. Was good while it lasted. Sub 2000's rule sets were best anyway

[Lich]

Originally posted by Skau:

IF YOU JESTER REACT. YOU ARE STUPID. FORM AN ACTUAL ARGUEMENT AND REPLY SO WE CAN DISCUSS THE ISSUE.

Look, I'll start this off by saying I've been a member of the Warhammer community now for an extensive period of time (roughly 2 years~ since I started the hobby), and I've been playing Warhammer and Warhammer adjacent games for the entirety of that time. Ever since I began I have STRONGLY felt that the exclusion of femininity from the primary cast of characters in Warhammer is extremely disgusting. Most notably: The Emperor and his primarchs, the astartes in their chapters, and many of the characters besides.

It's not even that we need more female inclusivity (which we do). It's also that we need more sexual inclusivity, including homosexuality and bisexuality, which are two things which are incredibly lacking in the Warhammer lore and amongst the astartes in particular.

I am not opposed to any arguements or disagreements on the topic, but I feel like we really have to be a serious, strong, united community and have a genuine discord about this topic going forwards. This is a live service game, anything can happen people. Personally I would love it if they finally bent, distanced themselves from the malicious ways of the 90s, and finally added female Astartes.

Edit: The Jester awards only prove your own stupidity.

че ты высрал?

[w10-20-2000]

Originally posted by Lich:

че ты высрал?

Шо ты тут делаешь ? Это пиндостанский тред, наши слоны в другом

[Liamm0]

Originally posted by Skau:

Originally posted by ThatGuyCleb:

Slaanesh has good ♥♥♥♥, trans, and other LGBT representation. You can customize your chaos marine as apart of the Emperor's Children! :D

I'm not talking about the antagonist

First off, I am going to assume this is a good faith post and not just rage bait because their is tons of lore on why gay, trans, and even straight space marines don't exist.

Let me start by saying. There are no "good guys" in Warhammer. You pick your favorite faction, Aldari is probably best for you judging by the question, and that's it.

Space Marine's are completely mind wiped and don't have sexual feelings towards anything. It's a concept to them but not something they feel or can feel. They are brainwashed essentially. Also they have a black carapace sen into their skin and to remove it would be fatal. So even if they wanted to act on any urges, they can't.

Second the Sisters of Battle are my favorite army and consist of badass Woman Space Marine's. To create "female space marine's" is redundant and would ruin the whole point of the Sisters of Battle.

Also, why do we need a trans spacemarine? They are genetically modified to be perfect, so wouldn't it go to show that they would be born in the right body? Also to reiterate, Space Marine's don't have any sexual desires. You can look towards Slaneesh for pleasures of the flesh. And to the Slaneesh Worshippers, they are the good guys.

[Ω Yukich]

Wait
HOW MUCH CLOWNS YOU GAVE HIM?!

[Mortalbane]

Lol talking about feminism and lgbt in the most xenophobic, strict and untolerating universe ever. You should be eradicated as a heretic.
I wouldn't mind having some Sisters of battle, but imagining a superhuman female with giant biceps and square jaw, or male space marines kissing and holding hands makes me puke.